wat did u do with ur 4-1's? LOL
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wat did u do with ur 4-1's? LOL
how does buddy club header look like?
how come I have never seen it advertised anywhere, is it a new product?
i use none of those listed.
den wat did u use??
hey does install of headers like 4-2-1 make a difference to the car??
Hi,
I been reading all 14 pages of headers discussion here. Most of the people are recommending X-Force, Toda and Spoon.
I was just wondering has anyone here has a set of DC headers install onto their B16A? It seems like DC headers are not very popluar here in Australia.
I am planning to get a DC 4-1 header but I am not sure of the clearance issue and any power gain. Has anyone heard good thing about DC header? And also does anyone know where I can get the DC header from in Sydney?
Thank you everyone! :)
Regards,
Johnnie
The problem isn't with the DC headers. The problem is that on Ozhonda, people are either too cheap to buy decent headers (ie. Xforce) or are willing to go the whole hog and get the best headers (TODA). The middle ground isn't very popular.
Matt
hey man, there is nothing wrong with xforce headers. they have good gains but off course not as good as the more pricer headers. depending on what power you want and how much money you have determines the headers you will get for your car. nothing to do with cheap and whole wog, just your own budget and what you can get
DC header (Plus shipping) to Sydney from the States is about est USD$400. That is about AUD$535. Compare to what shebangs said, it is a pretty much a mid-range header but looks like no one has them in their car. That is pretty sad.
Well, I have a mate to tell me all the time....
"Price will be soon forgotten.... Quality will always be remembered".
Also to spend over $1k on the header only is way too much! So Toda is out of the budget!
I am still hoping for someone with DC header to tell me more about the product! :)
Well going by these tests, http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=616, the DC header doesnt seem to be that bad of an option. Would be interesting to see how the X-Force header compares to some of those $1k+ headers.....
Anyone tried HM Headers ?
just wondering, is the 4-1 better or 4-2-1 better? someone told me that the 4-1 is better, is that true , or is he talking shit?
Just had a look at them graphs they all look the same too me...:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeForce
All i have to say is, you only need to drive the car with top of the line headers vs decent headers to see the difference. It's not just a little bit, the difference is very very very noticable. Seriously, in most cases, you do get what you pay for.
overall, between Jdm OEM R 4-1 and X-force 4-2-1 , which one is better, still deciding which one will be used for the R motor
jdm 4-1....itr jdm uses 4-1 have shown
amen to thatQuote:
Originally Posted by barefootbonzai
and amen to that!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by 94vtirozguy
anyone know how many kw atw JDM 4-1 headers give?
It is hard to estimate. Depends on the tuning.
Quote:
Originally Posted by VTi_b0i
sorry to dig up an old thread....but has anybody used Apexi Header?
FWIW, we fitted our headers & cat + 2nd hand mugen twin loop.
This was to a bone stock EK4 VtiR.
Starting power was 88kw @ wheels...
After fitting system... 98kw... (+10kw)
Not bad for a 1600cc engine.
Dynoed in shoot 4 - Std aribox, std ECU, ignition timing set factory 16deg.
I saw that today. good stuff.
http://www.sixsigmaracing.com/headers.htm formly known as DTR
Good guys to deal with,currently making a custom set of 4-2-1's for me atm to suit my build.(best of calling them,ask for Derek)
They are $$$,but as it has been said over and over "you get what you pay for"
how much?
what kind of sound difference do you get out of toda headers? im starting to steer towards this and a mugen twin-loop system =)
is there a more recommended exhaust system for toda?
and what is the best size for dc2 - 2.25" exhaust or 2.5"?
What do you mean by sound difference ?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSaint
The headers do give the engine a clean tight reving sound.
As opposed to a 4~1 stye system which sound more Subaru like...
For DC2 use 60mm ID or 2.5" OD exhaust system
FWIW, the Mugen twin loop system is very good.
thankyou for your information - very handy
i like a deep rumble sound kinda like the wrx, but i do want mid to top end power and sound isnt really important but wen ur spending this much money u want it to look, perform and sound good as long as the sound is deeper and not tinny than im happy =)
A tinny sound is more a product of the muffler than the header.
Eg: A DC5 with TODA headers has a deep smooth, muted note.
Change the cat back to a Fujitsubo Power Getter & it changes to a loud sharp blasting sound... Still clean & smooth, but very different.
Change again to say, a Buddy Club Spec 4, the note changes yet again.
It's higher pitches with a metalic ring in the exhaust..
This is all with no change to the header or cat.
But for a truley deep rumble, you'll need 4 into 1's...
Or something similar.
It may not give you the best power output, but you'll get the sound you want.
Cheers
Adrian
wow this is great information... iv been wanting to know this sort of stuff for a while.. its made me hesitant to buy
how different with the power will the 4-1 really be compared to 4-2-1? im looking for power in 2nd, 3rd, 4th gears and from about 4krpm to 9krpm
and what will the mugen twin-loop sound like? iv been looking at that and the tanabe super hyper medallion (or whatever its called)
so 4-1 is better regardless?
now im just confused...
and whats ur opinion on the exhausts?
Not at all...Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSaint
Re-read the link given and actually read it...
Not just glance at the graphs.
A good 4~2~1 beats the JDM 4~1 every where.
A not so good one does not.
The Mugen exhaust gives a deep, clean, smooth note when used with TODA headers.
Re Tanabe - sorry, it's been a while since I've worked on a carwith one fitted so I can't remember to give comment.
lol excuse my noobness but i cant determine wich ones are 4-1 and whch are 4-2-1 and there isnt much in that link beside graphs (still confused)
but i will say thankyou for your help... these are the answers i have been looking for... much apreciated =)
hahhaha... 4-1 goes from 4 pipes into 1... 4-2-1 goes from 4 pipes to 2 pipes then 1 pipeQuote:
Originally Posted by TheSaint
no the graphs from the link lol
jdm 4 1 work well and give a nice beasty thump sound
well im left wondering if 4-1 run really well and give a good sound than whats the point in 4-2-1? im keen to ge a toda header but im not gona fork out that much money unless i know wat im doing lol
excuse the noobness but wen ppl say 4-2-1 are better for midrange power does that mean mid revs or mid speed? same for high end? and is it really that different to 4-1?
TODA 4~2~1 offer stronger mid range without sacrifice in top end.
Mid range & tope end refer to revs.
The other significant advantage of the TODA header is power at part throttle positions.
That is there is more power / response avaiable through transient throttle positions.
This is why when TODA headers are fitted, people notice the difference straight away.
SPOON race headers man its funcky shit
man toda - full of great information
now i just have to process it all and decide whats right for me...
wich is better for street use? i have a dc2 vti-r and i would think it would need more mid range to push up to vtec quicker... but once in vtec u stay in hi rev range for longer... so which way do u go??
Im trying to deside between TODA and 5zigen atm..
half the price of toda but still makes good numbers
Yeh, Im thinking of using either Toda or 5Zigen header as well.... Tough call :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by locote
5zigen are not all that great, but ok for the price i guess.
http://www.tprmag.com/issue/10/images/002-5Zigen.gif
The 5Zigen header showed a substantial gain in the 3000-4700 range, due mostly to the header's ability to smooth out the power curve before VTEC kicked in. Gains in this region were as large as 14hp to the wheel. Since horsepower ratings are extrapolated from torque, a corresponding increase in low to midrange torque was expected and seen, with a large majority of that increase right around the 10 lb/ft range. Because the entire powerband was shifted upwards and made more linear, peak horsepower topped out at 147.7hp - a median gain of 9.6hp.
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...er+test+5zigen
From what i have read around on u.s forums toda make similar power to the hytech headers tested.
TODA twice the price.
on a stock motor maybe a couple of Hp difference, worked more but 5zigen plus use left over for cams make way more power...
might have to sleep on it..
bit more than a couple of hp difference.
Here is the dyno sheet for std EK4 VtiR.
Red line is bone stock EK4 VtiR - Std intake, std ECU, std exhaust etc.
Blue line is above EK4 VtiR + TODA Headers + TODA Performance metal cat + Mugen cat back
Std intake, ECU etc remains.
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/attachm...8&d=1172111593
TODA AU metal cat? Toda cat?
We now produce our own bolt-on metal cat to suit our headers & any JDM cat back system.Quote:
Originally Posted by gambate
B16A ~ B16B ~ B18C etc
Obviously we don't make the cat core ourselves etc...
But we bring various parts together to produce a bolt-on cat than not only works well with our headers,
We are able to produce it at a reasonable price.
All stainless steel construction & TIG welded.
Uses OEM donut gasket & 100cell catalyst core.
is it similar to the Metal Cat tm , cat?
if u buy headers... than exhaust... than cat...
OR
exhaust.. than headers... than cat...
will u be stuffed up by the diff flanges?
or if ur wanting to change cat later on u have to do it all at once?
im confused...
We do not use the brand "MetalCat"
We use a 100cell stainless core catalyst.
The brand "MetalCat" uses a 200cell stainless core.
Buy cat-back exhaust 1st.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSaint
Buy Header & cat together.
Another Option. Redline motorsport headers /Dyno Dave headers.
Great mid and top end power. We gain approx 10kw mid -top end on a Stock ITR motor.
so if i bought the mugen twin loop.. i dont have any options on flange to worry about? it will bolt up to stock cat+header... than wen i change the cat+header i wont have any problems there either?
soz for stupid questions.. alot of money, priority mod... i wanna get it 100% right =)
also again thanx for your help toda... brilliant
Thought Dave doesn't make headers for the public?Quote:
Originally Posted by fatboyz39
Quote:
Originally Posted by fatboyz39
u have to be special to get 1 of dyno dave headersQuote:
Originally Posted by xtercii
haha thats funny,Dave will make them for anyone these days he is back on the welder now that he has found his glasses.Fatboyz39 sell him your RMD header I have seen the new design its better than the one you have :pQuote:
Originally Posted by todas**t
ALLMTR996
Dave's headers up for grabs ..PM away ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ALLMTR996
Buyer beware... :zip:
Whats wrong Dave's headers?Quote:
Originally Posted by TODA AU
Dave was kindly enough to build us set of his headers in his spare time to make us go faster down the quarter mile. There is nothing but praises for his headers. I will recommend it over any other headers that are out there on the market for price vs performance.
We have quarter mile times to actually prove the gains the headers achieved. Even on the circuit, the midrange power gain from the headers were awesome, i was able to use a higher gear through some corners as i know that i have that extra torque to pull me into the high revs. These are not bulshit dyno figures these are proven gains down the quarter mile. We easily chopped over 1/2 second down the quarter, which is a signficant amount considering the only mod added was the headers and it was a N/A car.
Like seriously, if any1 is in the makret for a decent set of headers, you guys might to consider Dave's custom headers before deciding on your purchase.
Now that Dave’s been doing a bit of research on SOHC VTec’s mes thinks there must be a nice D-series header somewhere in the mix lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Benson
And maybe if where lucky some nice info on SOHC VTec mods and tweaks
Or is he over the whole thing? Hope not
LukeZen
They cant be to bad 10.83@123mph ALLMTR H22AQuote:
Originally Posted by TODA AU
Bensons EG STD ITR engine 13.6
Joes Black EG STD ITR engine 13.7
So if you have something bad to say do it and I am sure the favour will be returned.Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones Mr Toda,if this is what it takes for you to get business you better start looking for a new career.Putting other peoples products down shows you have something to hide with your goods and services now where is todas**t when you need him.
ALLMTR996
yes beware of ^Quote:
Originally Posted by TODA AU
they are both shit cant you see x-force is the best :rolleyes:
:zip: :zip: :zip: :zip: :zip: :zip: :zip:
there should be a race to end it all
why cant tuners all just get along????????????????
What does this mean ?Quote:
Originally Posted by dc2rrrr
ALLMTR996
i forsee this thread to be locked LOL
why lock it for its starting to get interesting and alot to learn
Quote:
Originally Posted by TODA AU
:thumbdwn:
I beg your pardon?
A bit rich, don't you think?
I have been dealing with DynoDave for about 6 years now. Not once, have i seen him let a car leave the workshop without it running perfectly. In fact, out of the work I have sampled -first hand- from several of the leading Honda "gurus", DynoDave's workmaship, work ethic, and RESULTS stand head and shoulders above any of the others.
This thread is about headers, for any continuation of DynoDave vs Toda please start a new thread!
Who ever gives me a free header, ill call them the better tuner.
wait...... free header... doesn't sound right.
You mean free head.......\Quote:
Originally Posted by Chi
Ops
ask your gf for that..... im sure she will give it to u for free:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Chi
Sorry Chuck I not post anymore in this thread :zip:Quote:
Originally Posted by mpd076-chuck
ALLMTR996
dont be like that keep up with the post im learning more everytime some does a post.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by ALLMTR996
Hey i made this thread to help me make a decision on what header to buy...
ATM im looking at a 5zigen header because its half the price of all other top of the range ones..
and been told by ppl who have them how happy they are with results...
I know TODA headers are exelent i know DAVEs cars have run good times...
But im in perth..
I cant get DAVE to tune my car...
Or any of u other tuners...
Im still debatin wether to get TODA or 5zigen..
as most dyno charts ive seen TODA makes more but not by much...
If please more ppl that have toda and have 5zigen can relate their out put and comparisons that would be great....
how about buddyclub headers??
Same league as TODAs hey..
roughly same price too:)