is 60000 import the mugen civic RR too expensive?

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Originally Posted by [[d a n n y]]

and that vid has the FD2R running on RE-55's with larger rims..
handicap given there.
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but why are we talking about track here..
if your average person buys the RR they will probably spend more time on the street than track..

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The STi Spec C runs RE55s too so that's a moot point.

It couldn't be any worse than my car to live with. I have Tein Flex coilovers in my car with a few breather mods. The refinements made to the FD2 chassis over DC5 would not only make it quicker, but also easier to live with. My point was that you earlier disputed it's performance saying that an Evo IX would be substantially quicker and easier to drive. I tend to disagree. They're even par and the debate was whether it was worth $60k. This would show that it is. It's all subjective anyway. Some people wouldn't pay $100 for a meal but others would.

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Originally Posted by m0nty ITR

The STi Spec C runs RE55s too so that's a moot point.

It couldn't be any worse than my car to live with. I have Tein Flex coilovers in my car with a few breather mods. The refinements made to the FD2 chassis over DC5 would not only make it quicker, but also easier to live with. My point was that you earlier disputed it's performance saying that an Evo IX would be substantially quicker and easier to drive. I tend to disagree. They're even par and the debate was whether it was worth $60k. This would show that it is. It's all subjective anyway. Some people wouldn't pay $100 for a meal but others would.

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that depends on what meal u have..
anywayz..
dude seriously i think you should drive hell of alot of more cars and then speak...
let's just say FF lay out VS 4WD layout. wat gets high power to the ground easier. 4wd in any situation a 4wd layout car will blast the shit out of a FF layout car...
2ndly power output difference. JDM FD2R 165kw JDM EVO 9/sti spec C/RAR-R 240KW..( u might disagree but that's how it is)
215nm vs over 400nm
if u can do some maths then it's quite obvious.
also the FD2R runs RE55s and the STI RA-R runs RE070 (not as extreme as the RE-55..
still with better tyres. wider/bigger rims the FD2R still coudlnt take on the 3 4wd turbos in front.
if what u say is correct

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Originally Posted by m0nty ITR

My point was that you earlier disputed it's performance saying that an Evo IX would be substantially quicker and easier to drive. I tend to disagree.

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FD2R should have blasted the shit out of the cars infront and should have won the battle with the advantages that it has. but no it didnt.. it only managed to stay infront of the 350z. clearly there is a performance. gap.
with the RE-55's it still came 5th..
your argument of EVO/STI's being in the performance driveability league just not make sense.. ill just give u a quick example FF lay out vs 4WD layout in the wet wats eaiser to drive???? obviously a 4wd layout car more grip. simple as that.
also refirments over the DC5R..to the FD2R.. bit..
i consider the DC5R a failure. especially the AU spec models they are rubbish.
i rather a Dc2R over a Dc5R any day for performance..

Do you even know what the FD2RR is? We're talking about the Mugen modded FD2R here. The car in the first video was the FD2R. The FD2RR laps 3 seconds faster which puts it up with the NSX-R in the video and the Spec C. Maybe you should watch the second video before commenting on which cars it couldn't catch. There were no other cars on the track.

I've provided the info above and you dismissed firm times on performance with your opinion. Do you honestly think RE55s vs RE070 gives the FD2RR the legs to keep up with those cars? It has so much more than that. Now you're going on about the AUDC5R being a failure? When did this even come into the equation? I was using it as a comparison on your challenge that a Mugen Civic couldn't be daily driven, but of course your precious Evo could be. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

I'll leave the DC2 vs DC5 argument for another day. It's been done to death many times with no overall results one way or the other.

I can understand where you're coming from. I'd be disappointed if my 4WD turbocharged car couldn't smash a FWD Civic too. ;)

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Originally Posted by m0nty ITR

Do you even know what the FD2RR is? We're talking about the Mugen modded FD2R here. The car in the first video was the FD2R. The FD2RR laps 3 seconds faster which puts it up with the NSX-R in the video and the Spec C. Maybe you should watch the second video before commenting on which cars it couldn't catch. There were no other cars on the track.

I've provided the info above and you dismissed firm times on performance with your opinion. Do you honestly think RE55s vs RE070 gives the FD2RR the legs to keep up with those cars? It has so much more than that. Now you're going on about the AUDC5R being a failure? When did this even come into the equation? I was using it as a comparison on your challenge that a Mugen Civic couldn't be daily driven, but of course your precious Evo could be. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

I'll leave the DC2 vs DC5 argument for another day. It's been done to death many times with no overall results one way or the other.

I can understand where you're coming from. I'd be disappointed if my 4WD turbocharged car couldn't smash a FWD Civic too. ;)

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it ran mid 1:06
a stock EVO 8 GSR does low 1:05's 1 sec gap is quite large. on a track espeically if it's a MUGEN tuned vs factroy spec Base model...
FYI GSR is the base model..
if u have used RE-55's and RE-070's you would know there is quite a difference between the two
RE-55's are rated equal or better than the toyot R-88's most stickies tyres u can get.. that are road legal..
seems like u really dont have much knowledge or experience.. so if i was in your situation..i would stop typing..pointless arguments. and ill disregard your smart ass comment at the end cuz it looks like i am much more mature than you..
but it looks like u have agreed on 4wd turbo being quicker than a fwd civic right?
i guess the argument has reached to an end..
i hope u have learnt to think out side the box :D
ps. read what u have written so far.. thats why i've been saying all these things..3
for arguement sake 1.03 NSX-R 1.06 Mugen RR it does not put it in the NSX-R league..
and u should add to your time list EVO 9 MR in the 1:04 range..

You don't read posts at all do you? The times are posted from BEST MOTORING. The RS did the 1,05. The GSR did a 1,06. The cost of both cars is relative, the power is relative and times are relative. How can you say that a stock turbocharged 4WD isn't comparable? It already has forced induction and AWD. By those rights it should be miles faster according to you. Anyway, I'm tired of arguing with you. You say I'm blinded by my love for Honda yet you have proven nothing other than your one eyed views on why your Evo would be a quicker car.

Just to simplify things for you.

Mugen Civic FD2RR
Cost approx $60k
Power 177kW
Torque 218nm
Weight 1,240kg
Lap time 1.06.68

Evo IX Lancer
Cost approx $60k
Power 206kW
Torque 355nm
Weight 1,450kg
Lap time 1.06.06

Where's the huge advantage you claim the Evo has? You obviously come here to troll. Why else would your sig say what it does?

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Originally Posted by m0nty ITR

You don't read posts at all do you? The times are posted from BEST MOTORING. The RS did the 1,05. The GSR did a 1,06. The cost of both cars is relative, the power is relative and times are relative. How can you say that a stock turbocharged 4WD isn't comparable? It already has forced induction and AWD. By those rights it should be miles faster according to you. Anyway, I'm tired of arguing with you. You say I'm blinded by my love for Honda yet you have proven nothing other than your one eyed views on why your Evo would be a quicker car.

Just to simplify things for you.

Mugen Civic FD2RR
Cost approx $60k
Power 177kW
Torque 218nm
Weight 1,240kg
Lap time 1.06.68

Evo IX Lancer
Cost approx $60k
Power 206kW
Torque 355nm
Weight 1,450kg
Lap time 1.06.06

Where's the huge advantage you claim the Evo has? You obviously come here to troll. Why else would your sig say what it does?

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should compare the JDM against JDM.. arent he talking about JDM models?
does BMI use JDM cars? not detuned AU spec cars?
this is how ignorant u are.. JDM spec Cars always have had higher out put than the AUS specs which are detuned due to max 98 ocatne we have whilist the japs have 110ocatnce as premeium.
i have a JDM EVO 8 and it's stock power out put is in the 230-240kw region and my car has 398nm stock.. it made 170kw at all four when i dynoed it. and it's also marginally quicker than the AU EVO 9. 170 kw atw.. that's more than the current JDM FD2R has at the engine and a little bit less than what the mugn RR has.
if u have a look at the past BMI epsidoes a EVO 8 GSR does mid 1.05 in tskuba.. and for all i know the 9 GSR/MR quicker once again with it's super AYC and bigger turbo.
all i can say is know your shit before you talk mate...
one more thing.. u called me a troll?
look at my join date and look around the forum.. you'll see so much shit i have contributed to this forum.
i've been in the car modding industry for a while and been playing with hondas and nissans mazda's mitsu's subarus for a while.
to me your just some lost case that thinks he knows his shit just by reading and looking at a DVD..

JDM premium fuel is 100 RON. 110 is racing fuel.

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Originally Posted by aaronng

JDM premium fuel is 100 RON. 110 is racing fuel.

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it's not it's 110 in some places..near the race course..
100 is normal premium.

110 is race fuel. That's why they sell it only near the tracks. In Japan, regular is 94 RON, premium is 98 RON and hi-octane is 100 RON.

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Originally Posted by aaronng

110 is race fuel. That's why they sell it only near the tracks. In Japan, regular is 94 RON, premium is 98 RON and hi-octane is 100 RON.

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lol i think your right..
i stand corrected.

A RR and an Evo is the same thing, a hotted up base small sedan. I agree if people will pay 60k for an evo, the same people shouldnt have a problem paying the same amount for a RR.

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Originally Posted by IAMVTEC

A RR and an Evo is the same thing, a hotted up base small sedan. I agree if people will pay 60k for an evo, the same people shouldnt have a problem paying the same amount for a RR.

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Remember an evo is just the shell of the base. Correct me if im wrong but it shares only really the outside panels. The floorpan is different to allow for a 4wd drivetrain etc and not to mention all manner of electrical systems.
The FD2 is the same as the base civic bar the engine and larger brakes / swaybars :) so you really are paying another $35k or so to get a "JDM" version of your local civic.

Agree.....

60k for a civic RR....

Not me sorry....how I'de do it if I had the $$ is buy a civic here and spend what ever left over on modding it to the MAX. (that makes sense).

Just think about the mods you could do with say $30k, IMO anyway.

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Originally Posted by bennjamin

Remember an evo is just the shell of the base. Correct me if im wrong but it shares only really the outside panels. The floorpan is different to allow for a 4wd drivetrain etc and not to mention all manner of electrical systems.
The FD2 is the same as the base civic bar the engine and larger brakes / swaybars :) so you really are paying another $35k or so to get a "JDM" version of your local civic.

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not even the same chassis Ben. I made the mistake of thinking that as well.

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Originally Posted by LXRY

60k for a civic RR....

Not me sorry....how I'de do it if I had the $$ is buy a civic here and spend what ever left over on modding it to the MAX. (that makes sense).

Just think about the mods you could do with say $30k, IMO anyway.

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bradda please get up to speed with the thread before you post.

The FD2-R is guesstimated to be here at around $45-$50K.

IFF the FD2-RR comes and it's $60K then that would leave the mod budget of around 10-15k by your arguement.

just clarifying......

Cheers.

actually he said that he'd buy a civic here.. last i checked, honda oz (as opposed to ozhonda) do not sell the FD2R. So, presumably, he'd buy a K20 civic here (civic sport) for ~30K and then have $30K to spend on mods

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Originally Posted by xenfacta

actually he said that he'd buy a civic here.. last i checked, honda oz (as opposed to ozhonda) do not sell the FD2R. So, presumably, he'd buy a K20 civic here (civic sport) for ~30K and then have $30K to spend on mods

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my bad.

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is 60000 import the mugen civic RR too expensive?

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So , we can agree with the original thread question ?

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Originally Posted by MKI4EVA

bradda please get up to speed with the thread before you post.

The FD2-R is guesstimated to be here at around $45-$50K.

IFF the FD2-RR comes and it's $60K then that would leave the mod budget of around 10-15k by your arguement.

just clarifying......

Cheers.

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OOps...Sorry :eek: Was thinking of modding a standard/sport civic, where was my head? hehehe.....;)

And nope too expensive if you ask me IMO

anything is worth whatever the buyer is willing to pay.. if u drive it and like it then sure, pay $60K for it. i probably wouldnt personally but i can see why ppl would

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Originally Posted by bennjamin

Remember an evo is just the shell of the base. Correct me if im wrong but it shares only really the outside panels. The floorpan is different to allow for a 4wd drivetrain etc and not to mention all manner of electrical systems.
The FD2 is the same as the base civic bar the engine and larger brakes / swaybars :) so you really are paying another $35k or so to get a "JDM" version of your local civic.

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good point father.. lol
chassis arent exactly the same..
though only the front doors.
front windows and some of the interior trims ie: dash itself are the same..
in realitly it's a whole lot different car..
front chassis rail is different too
only shares the name lancer/cedia

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Originally Posted by slowly

is 60000 import the mugen civic RR too expensive?
just quoted hong kong sell a RR for HKD 400000(on road) , if change to australia dollars is 60000 will you buy one???
http://images.paultan.org/images/Hon...Mugen-RR-1.jpg

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What are the specs on it dude...

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Originally Posted by up00si

What are the specs on it dude...

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read through the previous post and theres alot of em..
but it's got 20hp more than the FD2R for starters

i perfer the japan civic type-R....

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Originally Posted by siu789

i perfer the japan civic type-R....

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this IS the Japan CTR, but it plus mod stuff from Mugen

its not just a civic. Its a type double R.