Here's times from BEST MOTORING for Tsukuba. There's a good argument for it's performance. It's only 3 100ths slower than the SPec C STi.
Nismo Skyline GT-R Z Tune 1 min 01.150 secs
Ferrari 360 Challenge Stra' 1 min 02.440 secs
Lamborghini Gallardo 1 min 03.605 secs
Honda NSX-R 1 min 03.920 secs
McLaren F1 1 min 04.620 secs
Porsche 997 Turbo 1 min 04.730 secs
Murcielago 1 min 04.760 secs
Z-Tune 1 min 05.100 secs*(diff day diff driver)
EVO IX RS 1 min 05.528 secs
997 Carrera 4 1 min 05.980 secs
Corvette Z06 1 min 06.020 secs
Lancer Evo IX 1 min 06.060 secs
NA1 NSX-R 1 min 06.198 secs
Nismo GT-R S Tune 1 min 06.232 secs (340 bhp)
Ferrari F40 1 min 06.460 secs
WRX STI SPEC-C 1 min 06.651 secs ( Current STI)
NA1 NSX-R 1 min 06.80 secs (same race as F40)
BMW M5 1 min 06.560 secs FD2RR Mugen Civic 1 min 06.682 (running RE55s)
STI S204 1 min 06.800 secs
BMW M6 1 min 07.434 secs
350Z S Version 1 min 08.110 secs
BMW M3 1 min 08.200 secs
Audi RS4 1 min 08.368 secs
Supra Euro Version 330 bhp 1 min 08.460 secs
Mazda RX-7 1 min 08.70 secs
RX-8 A Spec 1 min 09.430 secs
Nissan 300ZX 1 min 10.70 secs
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Reason: FD2RR time added
and that vid has the FD2R running on RE-55's with larger rims..
handicap given there.
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but why are we talking about track here..
if your average person buys the RR they will probably spend more time on the street than track..
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and that vid has the FD2R running on RE-55's with larger rims..
handicap given there.
*edit*
but why are we talking about track here..
if your average person buys the RR they will probably spend more time on the street than track..
The STi Spec C runs RE55s too so that's a moot point.
It couldn't be any worse than my car to live with. I have Tein Flex coilovers in my car with a few breather mods. The refinements made to the FD2 chassis over DC5 would not only make it quicker, but also easier to live with. My point was that you earlier disputed it's performance saying that an Evo IX would be substantially quicker and easier to drive. I tend to disagree. They're even par and the debate was whether it was worth $60k. This would show that it is. It's all subjective anyway. Some people wouldn't pay $100 for a meal but others would.
The STi Spec C runs RE55s too so that's a moot point.
It couldn't be any worse than my car to live with. I have Tein Flex coilovers in my car with a few breather mods. The refinements made to the FD2 chassis over DC5 would not only make it quicker, but also easier to live with. My point was that you earlier disputed it's performance saying that an Evo IX would be substantially quicker and easier to drive. I tend to disagree. They're even par and the debate was whether it was worth $60k. This would show that it is. It's all subjective anyway. Some people wouldn't pay $100 for a meal but others would.
that depends on what meal u have..
anywayz..
dude seriously i think you should drive hell of alot of more cars and then speak...
let's just say FF lay out VS 4WD layout. wat gets high power to the ground easier. 4wd in any situation a 4wd layout car will blast the shit out of a FF layout car...
2ndly power output difference. JDM FD2R 165kw JDM EVO 9/sti spec C/RAR-R 240KW..( u might disagree but that's how it is)
215nm vs over 400nm
if u can do some maths then it's quite obvious.
also the FD2R runs RE55s and the STI RA-R runs RE070 (not as extreme as the RE-55..
still with better tyres. wider/bigger rims the FD2R still coudlnt take on the 3 4wd turbos in front.
if what u say is correct
Originally Posted by m0nty ITR
My point was that you earlier disputed it's performance saying that an Evo IX would be substantially quicker and easier to drive. I tend to disagree.
FD2R should have blasted the shit out of the cars infront and should have won the battle with the advantages that it has. but no it didnt.. it only managed to stay infront of the 350z. clearly there is a performance. gap.
with the RE-55's it still came 5th..
your argument of EVO/STI's being in the performance driveability league just not make sense.. ill just give u a quick example FF lay out vs 4WD layout in the wet wats eaiser to drive???? obviously a 4wd layout car more grip. simple as that.
also refirments over the DC5R..to the FD2R.. bit..
i consider the DC5R a failure. especially the AU spec models they are rubbish.
i rather a Dc2R over a Dc5R any day for performance..
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Do you even know what the FD2RR is? We're talking about the Mugen modded FD2R here. The car in the first video was the FD2R. The FD2RR laps 3 seconds faster which puts it up with the NSX-R in the video and the Spec C. Maybe you should watch the second video before commenting on which cars it couldn't catch. There were no other cars on the track.
I've provided the info above and you dismissed firm times on performance with your opinion. Do you honestly think RE55s vs RE070 gives the FD2RR the legs to keep up with those cars? It has so much more than that. Now you're going on about the AUDC5R being a failure? When did this even come into the equation? I was using it as a comparison on your challenge that a Mugen Civic couldn't be daily driven, but of course your precious Evo could be. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
I'll leave the DC2 vs DC5 argument for another day. It's been done to death many times with no overall results one way or the other.
I can understand where you're coming from. I'd be disappointed if my 4WD turbocharged car couldn't smash a FWD Civic too.
Do you even know what the FD2RR is? We're talking about the Mugen modded FD2R here. The car in the first video was the FD2R. The FD2RR laps 3 seconds faster which puts it up with the NSX-R in the video and the Spec C. Maybe you should watch the second video before commenting on which cars it couldn't catch. There were no other cars on the track.
I've provided the info above and you dismissed firm times on performance with your opinion. Do you honestly think RE55s vs RE070 gives the FD2RR the legs to keep up with those cars? It has so much more than that. Now you're going on about the AUDC5R being a failure? When did this even come into the equation? I was using it as a comparison on your challenge that a Mugen Civic couldn't be daily driven, but of course your precious Evo could be. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
I'll leave the DC2 vs DC5 argument for another day. It's been done to death many times with no overall results one way or the other.
I can understand where you're coming from. I'd be disappointed if my 4WD turbocharged car couldn't smash a FWD Civic too.
it ran mid 1:06
a stock EVO 8 GSR does low 1:05's 1 sec gap is quite large. on a track espeically if it's a MUGEN tuned vs factroy spec Base model...
FYI GSR is the base model..
if u have used RE-55's and RE-070's you would know there is quite a difference between the two
RE-55's are rated equal or better than the toyot R-88's most stickies tyres u can get.. that are road legal..
seems like u really dont have much knowledge or experience.. so if i was in your situation..i would stop typing..pointless arguments. and ill disregard your smart ass comment at the end cuz it looks like i am much more mature than you..
but it looks like u have agreed on 4wd turbo being quicker than a fwd civic right?
i guess the argument has reached to an end..
i hope u have learnt to think out side the box
ps. read what u have written so far.. thats why i've been saying all these things..3
for arguement sake 1.03 NSX-R 1.06 Mugen RR it does not put it in the NSX-R league..
and u should add to your time list EVO 9 MR in the 1:04 range..
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You don't read posts at all do you? The times are posted from BEST MOTORING. The RS did the 1,05. The GSR did a 1,06. The cost of both cars is relative, the power is relative and times are relative. How can you say that a stock turbocharged 4WD isn't comparable? It already has forced induction and AWD. By those rights it should be miles faster according to you. Anyway, I'm tired of arguing with you. You say I'm blinded by my love for Honda yet you have proven nothing other than your one eyed views on why your Evo would be a quicker car.
Just to simplify things for you.
Mugen Civic FD2RR
Cost approx $60k
Power 177kW
Torque 218nm
Weight 1,240kg
Lap time 1.06.68
Evo IX Lancer
Cost approx $60k
Power 206kW
Torque 355nm
Weight 1,450kg
Lap time 1.06.06
Where's the huge advantage you claim the Evo has? You obviously come here to troll. Why else would your sig say what it does?
You don't read posts at all do you? The times are posted from BEST MOTORING. The RS did the 1,05. The GSR did a 1,06. The cost of both cars is relative, the power is relative and times are relative. How can you say that a stock turbocharged 4WD isn't comparable? It already has forced induction and AWD. By those rights it should be miles faster according to you. Anyway, I'm tired of arguing with you. You say I'm blinded by my love for Honda yet you have proven nothing other than your one eyed views on why your Evo would be a quicker car.
Just to simplify things for you.
Mugen Civic FD2RR
Cost approx $60k
Power 177kW
Torque 218nm
Weight 1,240kg
Lap time 1.06.68
Evo IX Lancer
Cost approx $60k
Power 206kW
Torque 355nm
Weight 1,450kg
Lap time 1.06.06
Where's the huge advantage you claim the Evo has? You obviously come here to troll. Why else would your sig say what it does?
should compare the JDM against JDM.. arent he talking about JDM models?
does BMI use JDM cars? not detuned AU spec cars?
this is how ignorant u are.. JDM spec Cars always have had higher out put than the AUS specs which are detuned due to max 98 ocatne we have whilist the japs have 110ocatnce as premeium.
i have a JDM EVO 8 and it's stock power out put is in the 230-240kw region and my car has 398nm stock.. it made 170kw at all four when i dynoed it. and it's also marginally quicker than the AU EVO 9. 170 kw atw.. that's more than the current JDM FD2R has at the engine and a little bit less than what the mugn RR has.
if u have a look at the past BMI epsidoes a EVO 8 GSR does mid 1.05 in tskuba.. and for all i know the 9 GSR/MR quicker once again with it's super AYC and bigger turbo.
all i can say is know your shit before you talk mate...
one more thing.. u called me a troll?
look at my join date and look around the forum.. you'll see so much shit i have contributed to this forum.
i've been in the car modding industry for a while and been playing with hondas and nissans mazda's mitsu's subarus for a while.
to me your just some lost case that thinks he knows his shit just by reading and looking at a DVD..
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