Exhaust For FD

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Originally Posted by azn_ek

well, to me i bought the 09 civic sport for its chassis, strong and well designed, low centre of gravity, its just when i can afford the jdm FD2R 225hp k20a. coz not much aftermarket parts ar made for k20z2, tones around for R18a, kinda regretted y i didnt get a vti...

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is the 09 chassis different to 07? i thought it was facelift and vehicle stability on all models?

you shouldn't regret the civic sport over the others. i find in standard factory form, no mods, it's much nicer, fog lamps, sunroof, leather interior that seems very nice compared to the others, and a dohc engine which may have some future mods done to it. i didn't hesitate to get a sport over a vti. sure it's not a type r, but i couldnt complain for the price.

sorry to go off the exhaust topic Johnny, I was really just interested to know if it is even possible to get some power out of this engine if you put money into it other than exhaust.

Changing the internals and crap similar to the k20a is possible but really not worth the money... If u want power go turbo. Easiest option.

skunk2 has a catback system for the USDM civic, and apparently it'll fit onto our FD2 and the price is cheaper than most of the JDM systems too!!

megapower? heard its overly loud. not sure about any performance gains though.

mega power is acceptable with its 60mm piping, but yes it will be louder than other jdm options. performance wise it's the same or similar to any cat back, quieter exhausts mean more restricted with resonators, and i was told that without the headers, power will only be gained in high rpm, coz the exhaust manifold is more restrictive.

so with one of these catbacks and headers you would get some gains at least, but perhaps only what 10-15hp atw?

10-15 hp atw is MASSIVE... if any you might get 2-5 hp atw up high...

man there must be something seriously throttling the performance inside the engine, and not just because it's a basic vtec. i would imagine any performance exhaust system and headers would include more. or does power atw on these vehicles work out much lower than at the engine, 15hp engine, 2hp wheels?

i'm relatively new to cars tuned here. would a complete free flow exhaust system without any CAT provide better HP gains? besides being illegal in Oz.

a complete de-cat hi flow system will create more hi rpm power but u'll lose too much low rpm torque for that little gain... had one in my previous car, noticeable gain up hi but its a pain when drivin at low speed... and i doubt there will be 10hp gained with a cat back exhaust... but u do feel the engine revving smoother

anyone got some good suggestions for a muffler on our civics? anything besides xforce - just want to see what else you guys are using and how they are for sound, dont want anything too loud, but would like a deepish sound of course lol.

js racing titanium force

im quite interested in the J's 304R which is comin out on the 8th of april

wow, how pricey is it gonna be?... lol

i think jdmconcept is doin it for 7XXaud? but its an axel back... J's products are worth the money tho, J's is over spoon in HK... and i think the price is acceptable seeing mugen axel back in stainless steel is around 1.5k =_="

single tip canon-ish probably yea? like the 60rs for the fd2r? hmm, im looking for a twintip look =[. won't be getting a jap brand twin tip axel back tho i guess

i think Remus make good twin tip mufflers and they produce a unique exhaust note !!

oh yeah, totally forgot about remus, just need to find out where to get one though lol =/

sum1 has a remus on the forum i thinkkk

Yeah think it was shimian.

i got my kakimoto regu06r installed on my fd...it's not too loud to attract cop attention but it's still loud enough to hear...

how much? just an axel back?

paid 1.8k inc shipping from japan...it's a cat back...still very expensive but i wanted it...lol...oh well...easy to DIY as well..

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Originally Posted by black8thgen

oh yeah, totally forgot about remus, just need to find out where to get one though lol =/

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good luck affording it.
it'd be like 2500 for the catback with exchange rates as they are now..

i want the fubijistu legalis-r its a twin tip. hot!

=O. and how much is that lol. Well im just looking for a muffler only, not interested in the catback as of yet.. too expensive lol

yea, im gettin an axel back too, and maybe get a straight pipe made in stainless steel later on if im getting exhaust manifold, cheaper than gettin a whole catback system.

Hey guys,

Been reading some of your post and i'm getting a little discouraged in upgrading my Civic Sport.

Initially my plan was to uggrade intake > exaust > headers, or all at the same time, but from reading the posts, if I'm only going to gain about 5 or 10hp is there a point? What sort of cost am i looking at to get it all done, can someone point out some sites i can do research on? I keep getting Yankie sites with their mods and bits.

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Originally Posted by ekdez

I/H/E will only ever give you 10kw's atw (if that) gain MAX... with a stock motor

tbh with you its a waste of money, unless you really desire and must have it.

if you really wanted to be quicker.. you'd be looking to get flywheel, clutch & final drive.. and i dont know if most of them are possible yet for fd..

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Re the flywheel etc, what sort of gains at best would an FD2 be looking at? (purely curious as i have a sports auto). :p

Sorry for short answer but i'm on my phone. Basically ihe is all sound, but don't get me wrong there are gain's to be made in those region's, with the correct setup and tune.. But for a manual car, if you upgrade clutch etc, then your shift time's and such will be reduced since there is less lag and hence reach higher speed's faster.. But doing the normal ihe upgrade is what normal people do anyhow, unless your uber serious about racing your car.. Like i know i'll be doing my zorst cos i only want cosmetic upgrade's for my fd.

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Originally Posted by WookieCivic

Hey guys,

Been reading some of your post and i'm getting a little discouraged in upgrading my Civic Sport.

Initially my plan was to uggrade intake > exaust > headers, or all at the same time, but from reading the posts, if I'm only going to gain about 5 or 10hp is there a point? What sort of cost am i looking at to get it all done, can someone point out some sites i can do research on? I keep getting Yankie sites with their mods and bits.



Re the flywheel etc, what sort of gains at best would an FD2 be looking at? (purely curious as i have a sports auto). :p

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Well if you get exhaust, intake and headers you'll be looking at around 10kw+ ATW and tahts pretty decent...

Exhaust depends if u want a catback which would put u back a few hundred or full exhaust which would cost anything from about a grand upwards. Keep in mind that a catback would not give you any performance gain (its so little its basically nothing) only sound whilst the full exhaust would.

Intake would be around $400-$500 for a branded one or you could grab a generic one off ebay for like $100-$200.

Headers there arn't many that are out yet although there are a few. That'll probably cost about $300-$400 (Not sure of the current pricing).

If you have a auto car, i wouldn't recommend upgrading your flywheel as it wouldn't be needed as much.

Check the trader section here at Ozhonda as they have quite a few products for the FD1/2. JDMYard is great for a start.

Cool, much appreciated info guys!

I know what you mean about not being many headers out there yet, however i did stumble on some threads from US honda forums. They have diff models there, so probably not relevant. None of their stuff would apply here, would it?

Hmmm, am considering at throwing approx $2k for the I/H/E upgrades. Dunno. $2k for a 10kw gain. Hmmm. Would i need to make any changes to the ECU? For that sort of money, wouldn't going turbo be more worthwhile?

If i do any mods to the exhaust, i'll get a dyno of before and after and post it up here.

Turbo would cost approx $6k possibly more because of the exchange rate atm i'd assume...

You'll need a turbo back exhaust which would be just under a grand for a custom one, intercooler (few hundred), piping, new ECU (about a grand for a standalone not piggie back), the actual turbo (price varies depending on which one) and there is definately much more stuff in there but i can't think of them atm. (currently at work =[) There is also labour to be considered which could range significantly.

If you want to spend 2k, I would put the money in getting a intake first, then coilovers, then some decent rims and tyres (unless you like the current wheels thats up to you).
Thats just IMO but the choice is up to you

+ J'S RACING TITANIUM FX FULL CATBACK SYSTEM 60RS - CIVIC FD - WAS: $2195.00, NOW: $1795.00 PICK-UP

i'd so buy that if it was 300 dollars cheaper =]

tat price was there for ages.. i remember when i was first lookin into a catback system.. wait abit longer and it'll go down more haha

wondering y no1 is gettin it.. prob coz apparently its fitted for FD2R only.. not for FD1 or FD2 i think.. correct me if im wrong

the js cat back will fit FD2.
a white fd2 in perth have it , he use to post here around a year back.

Just been shopping around for CAI's, got a reply from Top Racing Group in HK.

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Anyway, if you are looking for Cold Air Induction products, we can recommend the following:

Gruppe M carbon cold air induction kit - which we retail for HK$9,500
in Australian dollars, divide it by 5.5.

Or the MUGEN FRP cold air induction kit - HK$4800, again please divide it by 5.5 for Australian dollars.

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Seems a bit steep to me. What's the difference betreen the two (besides about $1000)? Any place that would have better pricing? Thoughts?

dudeee... move this to a FD intake thread.. not here

do a search b4 posting

both of them wont fit our FD2, coz the FD2R hasnt got MAF sensor on the airbox.

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Originally Posted by JOhnnyFD

dudeee... move this to a FD intake thread.. not here

do a search b4 posting

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duuuude... sorry, my bad.

Just following on from advice from FallenAngel in a post on the previous page. Thought it would still be relevant in the exhaust section.

question bout axel back mufflers for my civic sport FD2, does anyone know if an axel back made for FD1 1.8L can fit our FD2 2.0L? on the mugen website it shows that the axel back for both 1.8 and 2.0 have the same model number! but non of the shops can confirm this -_-

pretty sure if its just an axel back it should be all sweet?

btw: getting an xforce MP01 muffler installed on my fd2 tmrw =D.

wow, how much is it? is it bolt on or weld on? looking forward in seeing it!!!

280 all up at westside, think prices went up a lil due to the crisis but yea..

weld on for our civics, just a universal muffler. will get pics tmrw afternoon probably =]

Only the muffler?

yea.. is it a bit much?

i have a question here.. im planning to install twin cannon on my FD2.. left and right i mean.. not two together.. haha.. ask from shop.. they said the left side need a shorter cannon.. while the right 1 can use any universal type.. any1 did this before? and where to find SHORT type cannon muffler? thanks..

its a bit much for just muffler, i got my magnaflow fitted for that price

just the muffler for u?

the muffler by itself is 200 at cheapest, and i think like for a weld job its around 50-70 bucks i guess, didn't think it was expensive =[.

just got it done, would like it to be a little bit louder, but pretty happy with it =D.

picsorban

later this arvo after i give her a wash =D

nice! is it fairly stock looking? would like to hear it too! anywayz, just ordered full brace set from CiDEP, should arrive in 1 mth or 2 with my mate's container. still deciding tho, shud i get the strut bar + F & R sway bar or strut bar + lower chassis brace set...

CiDEP? whats that =/.

hmm i havn't got a clue about reinforcement bars and such so cant help you =[.

and yeah its stock looking, which is what i wanted, it could be a bit louder, but there is enough sound and i quite like it =D.

just want the HKS panel filter next for more airflow hehe.

im now very tempted to get the custom full exhaust system done lol =/... but i dont get how some systems can produce more power than others? Like what do they do to the piping that makes the difference? Is it the material of the pipes orrr? =/.

to get more power, the upgrades to do would be on the intake, headers, exhaust and cams... getting a new catback doesnt necessarily give in more power

yeah im not too hell bent on power right now, just want a little bit more sound, tbh i noticed more responsiveness with the muffler installed, feels better.

the guy at westside said theres "two mufflers" practically, so the sound is very restricted, so i'll prob change the "second muffler" to a different pipe with more air flow and sound..

replace the second muffler and resonators with straight pipes, it'll be louder and less restriction to airflow!

And be a complete defect...

lol.. i think im just gonna replace the second muffler, im pretty sure it won't even get as loud as most canons out there..

wait.. u replaced the OEM muffler with the MP01 and u now wanna replace tat??

No... There are two mufflers..

yeah theres two mufflers essentially.. so theres another restrictive piece of piping behind the "muffler".. i can see this discussion getting very very confusing LOL.

i havnt really looked under my car yet, but i assume its like most car, the exhaust system shud hav 1 to 2 cats, 2 mufflers and resonators to low down the emission and noise level. those are the areas where air flow is most restricted.

yeah, thats how it is, just needa get rid of the second muffler and it should be enough for sound, dont want something that will attract coppers =D

I wanna get muffler for my FD2 but not sure what type to go for.....and i am very confuse now after reading 19pages

hahaha. what you tossing up between though? if you want sound.. make sure u get the shop to replace the second muffler with a "sportier" pipe as well, or the new muffler wont make a huge difference except on back-off (which on my xforce sounds very nice)

I want sound but not too loud cause i use to have a Cannon on my old car, drives every one crazy lol

so i do want sound but not too loud

oh.. hahaha. well just get like.. anything but a canon then i guess lol. like a twintip muffler. xforce is prety good, i'd recommend it, there is some sound, but its not really loud, but if you replace the second "muffler" with something better then you'll prob get the right balance of sound

if u just replace the rear muffler with a cannon, it wouldnt be as loud as any older cars because of the number of mufflers and resonators in between engine and the muffler. but a very good design for low noise is the mugen style twin loop design, the exhaust gas passes through the muffler twice to lower the noise. i had it in my mazda 3, i had a straight thru stainless steel mandrel bend cat back (no cat, no resonators) and a twin loop muffler for street use which i find the noise is still exceptable and it does give a noticeable difference is low end torque comparing to my track set up (switching to cannon for track)

Video Update

Honda Civic FD X-Force MP02 Muffler [Pt1.]
First test run, it just rained and so the airs cold and giving the engine a warm up *notice the airplane noise at the end lol

Honda Civic FD X-Force MP02 Muffler [Pt 2.]
Second test run, after the initial warm up *notice other cars diving past at the end lol racer neighbourhood

yea i was thinking of doing this for mine, but since we got mufflers with same barrel.. guess theres no point =D.

are you happy with the sound? cos i'm definately getting the second "muffler" pipe thingy whatever it is replaced, not loud enough yet =[

if u want loud, get a cannon.. the mp02 x-force is fine with me

not that loud, but more noticeable while driving

Sounds pretty good Johnny, although it sounds alot more deeper and quite louder than mine even though i have a cannon at the tip. I might do mine later when i get home also..

So the auto has the 4k rev limiter at idle eh?

cheers buddy.. ye, once ur in the car, u wont hear the deep note unless u turn down the windows... when u rev it hard from say 2.5k to 4k or from 4.5k all the way up, u'll definitely hear it

yep, does idle around 4k lol

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Originally Posted by black8thgen

yea i was thinking of doing this for mine, but since we got mufflers with same barrel.. guess theres no point =D.

are you happy with the sound? cos i'm definately getting the second "muffler" pipe thingy whatever it is replaced, not loud enough yet =[

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Question, can we just taken that part out by our self or we need to go shop to get it done. Also is there any chance you guys can post a pic so i know what i am looking for.

Thanks

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Originally Posted by JOhnnyFD

cheers buddy.. ye, once ur in the car, u wont hear the deep note unless u turn down the windows... when u rev it hard from say 2.5k to 4k or from 4.5k all the way up, u'll definitely hear it

yep, does idle around 4k lol

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yeah, i found in the car, it sounds damn nice when revving up, im very happy with it, although in neutral and from outside for some reason the engine overpowers it so idunno.

oh, i found the rev limiter is at 5k for me =/... maybe its cos i have a sport?

and to d@vid: i think a weld job needs to be done, so a shop would be best, and yeah if i can, when i get mine done this weekend, ill get a picture of the stock one and where it is and how mine was replaced, then ill post up pics =D.

fallen: looking forward to hearing yours =]

btw decided to do a video of my xforce mp01, was already warmed up as i had gone for a drive beforehand: u can tell the engine overpowers the muffler noise at times

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-hcuEOzOAQ

Sound awesome man, thats what i am looking for, not too loud but more noticeable

Sounds very smooth and yea the engine sound does override the exhaust at times.

cheers. yeah the quality of the xforce is awesome. very clean sound and smooth flow.

yeah thats why im just looking for a little more boost to sound (which is why im looking to replace the second muffler thingy) hopefully it wont be too loud

electric sound for the win! love it