i read, all i saw was somone having a bitch about cbrs, not really useful information if u ask me, more of a personal pref other then saying they are often priced high.
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i read, all i saw was somone having a bitch about cbrs, not really useful information if u ask me, more of a personal pref other then saying they are often priced high.
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either read properly and comment, or dont comment about what i say at all
i dont care if u disagree...evry1 can think wat they like
but if want to go and pay 6k for a 20 year old bike when u can get a brand new one for less, go right ahead
A perfect learner bike? Plenty of torque + linear power = real easy to ride.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feverpitched
You can de-restrict the throttle stop when more confident. Thats if the bike shop hasn't done it already for you.
BTW, the Yamaha WR enduro's have these throttle stops installed at factory. The throttle stop on these bikes limits the throttle to about 1/2. Nearly all bike shops change them out at pre-delivery, with a YZ one.
California sports bikes school :D
wtf is the mod doin ? clean the thread plz, all these spammers. i keep checking back here to read up on bikes and all i see is arguments. borring
fighting on the internet is like competing in the special olympics
whether you win or not, your still retarded
quick question on learner bikes. im probably gonna get a cbr125 new from honda, but im just curious as im bikernoob, would it be suicide to make an interstate journey on one?
As has been said about the 125's, depending on how heavy you are getting and keeping at 100k's could be a little fun. Something else to consider is the size of the tank - I dont think it is all that large is it???Quote:
Originally Posted by Nax
Personally I dont think I would do it, but each to there own.
ya its only 10 litres i believe, im pretty light bout 75 kilos, so basically it would be a nightmare/struggle to keep upto speed etc
Perhaps you could try and help us by reporting the post instead of whinging about where the mods are - i dont know.. just a thought :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by EK4R
We do have lives you know.
Guys, keep posts constructive.
Take a breath before posting or you'll find a nice infraction next to your account.
Thanks.
sarrrvedQuote:
Originally Posted by Q_ball
so am i better off getting a brand new 125cbr or getting an older model 250cbr? im stuck cuz i wanna drive a honda (cuz i work for them) but the only new entry level bikes are either a 125 or a naked bike (and i hate the way they look, like a cruiser and a sport had a freakbaby)
but i do want something i can go for longer drives with cuz i like to go to victoria to see the family
You obviously still haven't read the entire thread. Try a VTR. If you can get over the 'freakbaby' looks then it fits your bill like a glove.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nax
Long rides on a cbr125 would definately be pushing it IMO.
My mates cbr250r used to do 140km/h flat out btw, but it wasn't looked after the best.
yeh a VTR would be a good choice for a first bike and as your saying
"i do want something i can go for longer drives with cuz i like to go to victoria to see the family"
alot more comfortable then alot of the other smaller bikes for longer trips and its a HONDA!! :D
but its just so fugly :( if it was a cruiser *thumbsup*, if it was a sport againt *thumbsup* but i just cant stand the cross of them. is there a model i may have overlooked?
To each their own. To me, the CBR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR now looks pretty long in the tooth, especially once you take a look underneath all the fancy pants glitter/reflective stickers. Yuck.
I agree. Personally other than the fairings I dont find them all that attractive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feverpitched
I am still adement that a non-faired bike or semi-faired is the best bet for a learner.
Nax, maybe check out the CB400 (havent ridden one, but could be ok) or in my opinion if you are planing on doing country riding as well as commuting try the bike I learnt on - a dominator (the most comfortable bike I have been on).
ya i only go maybe once every two to three months, but its not a must to go cross country, 99% of my riding will be in city conditions so ya. i was just wondering if there was something i might have overlooked, looks like it will be the bus to victoria for me till im on my fulls lol.
Finding a CB400 would be the only issue. Rare as hen's fillings. I've personally never seen one in Australia.
Does Adelaide have a LAMS system in place?
Interesting - the CB is listed on the Honda website so yuo could always pick up a new one.
far as i know it does, strangely enough when u check the lams website its missing a couple of the honda bikes, probably not up to date enough
Just checked Google. Apparently they went on sale from May 2nd 2008. Looks like a nice sewing machine alternative to the VTR twin. Twin outboard rear shocks though? What the hell is wrong with a normal mono-shock? :zip:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zdster
LAMS-approved bike lists vary from State to State.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nax
hay Nax what about a suzuki gs500f? full fairing, no tooooooo ugly, learner legal and comfortable riding position =)
hmm if possible ide like to keep it in the honda family, looks better from a sales point of view if a client asks me what i drive i can say a honda. is there anything a couple years old that would be worth used? i know theres a cbr250but id rather buy new. maybe ill just cave and get a vtr250 lol
oh and btw i was lookin at the SA one, no cbr125, no vtr250, but they are supposed to be lams approved
during my training we rode the CBF, it was actually quiet easy to ride and move around in once you get the hang of it. keep in mind i had never ridden in my life so as a learner it was quiet good. take off was easy and breaking was forgiving. the stance was comfortable, good enough for long journeys. only thing i didnt like was the naked bike look but if that doesnt affect you , i say go for that.
ps. i just got a bike, i cant seem to get the hang of U turns...fark. hints anyone?? i cant seem to be able to turn the bike enough..scare it will tip over lol am i goin too slow?
I havent looked up SA LAMS rules, but read the fine print around bikes under 250cc. If it is like Victoria, they will say something like all 250cc bikes and below are permissable except for . . . (in other words you can ride any 250 or less capacity bike except for the ones listed).Quote:
Originally Posted by Nax
I know it sounds obvious, but look where you want to go and the bike will follow. Also, try not to launch straight into a U turn from a standing stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by EK4R
If you want to catch up sometime George let me know.
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Originally Posted by Zdster
checked it, you are correct! thanks mate
sounds alot like riding a normal bicycle, look and bike follows and if u go slow danger time! lol. if you really cant get the hang of it tho u cant just pick ur bike up and turn it around like on a bicycle :P
EK4R what bike is this? I know that for a cbr250rr its quite hard due to having such a small turning circle
When I do U-Turns I try to keep the following in mind:
Grip hard with the knees.
Look where you want to go (in this case, over your shoulder and behind you, not at the gutter)
Counter-lean - tip the bike into the u-turn but put your balance point on the outside of the u-turn.
Lots of practice should get you there.
its funny how we know how to do something, but our body prevents us from doing it by natural reflexes and we have to learn to override that
has anyone here ridden an hyosung aquila 650? are they hell sluggish or do they go alright
did you get a bike mike??Quote:
Originally Posted by Zdster
got a little ninja to play with. so yeah very similiar to the cbrs , turning circle suxQuote:
EK4R what bike is this? I know that for a cbr250rr its quite hard due to having such a small turning circle
good tip will give it a tryQuote:
Counter-lean - tip the bike into the u-turn but put your balance point on the outside of the u-turn.
Lots of practice should get you there.
Had one for a while George :). Send me a PM.Quote:
Originally Posted by EK4R
does anyone know what the protocall is like at motorbike dealers for test rides, cuz im literally going to go direct from my license course to the shop, im just a bit afraid to drop it or something and end up paying bux for it. but how else do they expect learners to try out the bikes? do they have a beaten up one or?
Most shops wont let you test ride - its like your learners on your car. Best bet is to take a mate who rides to take it out for a spin and make sure it is mechanically alright. You can then just sit on it and make sure you are comfortable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nax
The other point is, as a learner there isnt to much point in you taking the bike out anyway as you dont have any experience and dont know what to look for (in terms of handling etc).
Best bet is to sit on a few bikes, find the one that is most comfortable, you like the looks off and suits your purpose. Then find a second hand one or new and get a mate who is into bikes to test ride it and check it out. If you need further evidence that it is mechanically ok, lots of shops do inspection work so just find somewhere good.
im the only one of all my mates who rides:( i dont even know an aquaintance who rides lol. i more just wanted to see wat the diff was between something like a cbr125, a cbr250 and posibly a vtr250 or even a cruiser on the road, ive only done dirtbikes,snowmobiles, atvs etc, so im not sure what to expect, and i dont want to get stuck with something that feels like a moped on the road.
yes im aware there is advice on here to say wat they are like, but as i say to clients, paper means nothing till u actually sit in it and drive it
I think you will find it hard to find a dealership who will let you test ride.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nax
IMO the best thing to do is what I have stated. Find a comfortable bike to sit on. Do a fair bit of reading about the differences between the 125 and 250. The thing to remember is that neither bike is particularly quick (from a bike sense), but the 250 is going to be a lot less like a scooter than the 125.
IMO the vtr250 is the best of the ones that you have listed - it has the best all round handling, power and versatility for a learner. There is a reason that so many people choose to learn on one.
I think you were looking at buying new wernt you? While I dont think this is the best option for a learner, it will save on getting the bike checked out and you can buy of the dealership floor.
ide look at buying from a dealer either way, new or used, a 125 ide probably go new as they are already cheap and off the floor, a vtr is a bit dearer so ide prob look at buying used. is a cbr 250 gonna be a similair ride to the vtr? the look is growing on me for the vtr but i dont know if i can justify in my mind spending 6-8k on a bike im not really too flash on visually ya know?
you will regret a 125.....
well the thing is i have a 7k a year car pack thro work, so i dont want to spend more then that (would like to have it completely paid off by the end of the year next year to upgrade to bigger bike on fulls) so if i get a vtr im gonna be really tight on buying gear and insurance for it, insurance im looking at around 1300, so that gives me just under 6 to spend sorta deal
You will be able to pick up a good used vtr for about $5k. Look around on bikesales (just be careful as there are lots of nigerian scammers on there) and go and check it out. When you find one that you like ask them if they can drop it off to a bike shop (if you are in Melbourne I would recommend one) for them to do a look over on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nax
As Type R said, I think you will quickly get over a 125 unless of course you are only using it for daily commuting through the city where its size makes it slightly better.
Two things. I wouldnt get a learner second hand bike through a dealer - there are lots out there in private hands and will be a lot cheaper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nax
The second thing is that for most people you are only on a learner bike for the year before upgrading. Look at practicality first IMO and then consider looks. Its almost like saying I need a four door car for work, but I dont like the look of them so I will get a two door . . .
fair call on that one. the other reason im leaning towards a dealer is because working for honda, i will probably be able to get a good deal, and because its packaged with work i will need to do finance (and after the whole car finance b.s. ide rather just make it simple and quick, spent two months trying to find soemone who would help me, and in the end no one would) is a CBR250 out of the question here? i know its a bit odler but if i can find one with low k's are they half decent or am i best off just getting a vtr, and is there a sport front for the vtr like on the zeal? thanks for all the help guys, god i love OH :D
oh and its gonna be mostly for the commute, but i do do a fair bit of crusiing and driving (specially if im gettnig my confidence on the bike up ill be doing lots of around driving)
Have a search on www.netrider.com.au and see what they think as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nax
If you are sticking to a Honda, as I have said before, I would be looking at a VTR - will be newer, wont have the hassle of if it is an import etc, will more than likely be cheaper, dont have the issue of fairings, if you do drop one finding parts shouldnt be a problem, lots of good ones on the market etc etc.
Cant you just get finance through Honda HQ and then find the bike you are after or does finance have to come through a dealership?
Not sure if there is any other front ends around, but you could always strip it back further and make it a street fighter :D. Personally I wouldnt worry about the looks - I still have a GPX (which is ugly as sin) that I get around on to commute and as I like to say the rider makes the bike :).
look, the cbr250 is a good learner bike
but, its too common
its too expensive, most ppl charge u a kidney for one, esp in dealers
in ALOT of cases, u can pretty much get a brand new bike wit similar performance to a cbr250
fairings are GHEY, especially for a first bike, mate y are u so into fairings and a sports look?
fairings get damaged easily, u will drop it, and they are expensive to fix, besides, i think fairings are for posers, imo, esp on a 250, because the damn thing doesnt go fast enough to make any use of blody fairings
go do watever u like by all means, get a cbr250 if u want, but i cant stand them....the thing u have to understand is wat u are paying for
cbr250s that go for 6-7k sometimes, that is so much bfs man its not funny, in some cases its an 18year old GREY import, who knows the history behind it here or from japan, and it has some stupid ass body kit on it that costs more than bloody bike itself
if u can find a cbr in good condition, say 1990 model or so, it should be no more than 3k, 3.5 max, but thats rare, because too many learners want to LOOK GOOD on their bikes
imo, u look like a sensible bike enthusiast on something like a vtr, and they look a thousand times better imo than any cbr with a body kit, and they are new
ther isnt a comparison..
ok u guys have convinced me, im out to find a vtr! well played my friends well played.
so im definately better off buying used then eh? specially as ill just upgrade after a year ya?
Yep. Most learner bikes do a turn around like that - someone owns them new, keeps it for the year, then a new owner for a year and another for year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nax
Personally, I would look for a 2000+ model, with less than 25,000-30,000km's if you can. Maybe one that has had only a couple of owners, good service history etc. Since you dont know much about bikes, get onto some bike forums and find out where the good SA bike shops are. Go in and make some buddies in there (tell them you are new and just feeling things out). Find out if they do inspection checks so when you find the bike you think is right you can take it to them.
Also, a word of warning, dont buy the first bike you see. In learner bikes there can be some really dodgy ones floating around. There are also some really bad bike shops around (at least in Melbourne - can anyone say Sumoto) so just be weary. Learn lots and dont take what one person says for granted - this should save you money and you will have a better understanding of how things work.
be nice if there were more sa people on here selling/riding bikes:( ill have to commando it and solo the whole bike industry bwahhahaha. one thing on my side is that i work for honda, and so far in my car buying experience the sales guy shits himself and stops trying to pitch me cuz he knows i can see thro his bs, quite useful, not sure if it will work in bike shops tho.
thers a bike shop very close to my house (ones a duca dealer and ones a honda/seadoo) so ill go and putter around there on friday, get a feel. they have a couple vtrs for 5000 and 7000 so ill have a look.
I have said this before, but get on www.netrider.com.au. Should be a few SA members on there of they can direct you to an SA based bike forum. Doing your research about bikes/prices etc is vital IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nax
netrider isnt really too useful for sa, only a small amount of members:(
You can always buy interstate. Shipping is cheap, or you can make it even cheaper by flying there and riding back.
on a 250?
and i couldnt really inspect before hand if i did that and dont have family interstate or friends. ill just have to see what i can do locally
Heres one that might be worth checking out as a starting point (although it is from a dealership):
http://www.tradingpost.com.au/Automo...kToResult=true
Oh, just found this after a quick search - http://www.motorcyclingsa.org.au/
Dont know anything about them but could be worth sussing out.
2003 model, no tacko, should i try to get a 2004+ with a tacko or is it not a big deal on a bike?
Its sort of like driving a car. You know where to shift by listening to the engine. It is much more convenient though to have a tacho.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nax
ive had my 250rr for a few years now =)
Just had to share:
CBR250R 1989 model, 50,000km's asking $5,000
LOL - the bike is 19 years old and they want $5k!
i saw the same, a 89 cbr250 for 7.5, wat a toss sif u would pay that i mean comon u could buy a brand new vtr for close to that if ur good at haggling, or two cbr125s lol, just ductape them together and ull have a cbr250 :P
hahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Nax
what if you want a 600? or a 1000? ductape 5 cbr 125s or 8?!
seeefffff not use cable ties!
lol ude have to jump from bike to bike to throttle and brake, or just get like a massive stick with clamps on it :P
this is shitting me, no one in sa seems to have vtrs, theres like 2 so far not inc dealers blah
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Originally Posted by Zdster
but ive been said this numerous times throughout the thread, lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Nax
now u realise?
sorry forgot u were god of knowing everythin
i didnt realise anything, it snot like when i first came on i was saying LULZ lets all buy cbr250s for 8K woot woot woot LOLOLOL!!! was just joining in with zdsters comment
Nah, just saw one that just came on a site I read.Quote:
Originally Posted by krogoth
well if i wanted to sell my bike id sell it for 5k too. if there are people who are willing to pay for it then why not? why are you guys laughing anywais, looking at this forum you see type rs that go to 30~k and civics that go for 10-15k because it has vtec or amber lights
but the thing is i dont wana sell my bike.
so much disrespect. yet when i bring it up in regards of the civics you guys bring out the supply and demand, well its the same as bikes isnt it?
if you dont like it then dont buy it, simple as that
lol nice and true
suppose its the old theory, start stupid high on one end, start stupid low on the other, meet in the middle
And I wont and I wouldnt encourage others to buy one either.Quote:
Originally Posted by nvmee
lol fair enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Nax
and i never implied i was the god of all knowledge, of course not, lol, stil much to learn
wasnt really directed to u mikeQuote:
Originally Posted by Zdster
lol
and fair enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by nvmee
ppl can sell things for watever they want
and yes, ppl will continue to sell their cbr250s for much more than they are worth for YEARS to come, because they will always be a market for them
my point the whole time has been to argue against doing that....but yeh thats just my opinion
and my idealogy doesnt apply to bikes only, bs prices on cars like ae86s and such also give me a headache
ppl are so into appearance and looks these days it makes me wonder....they forget that the bike/car is from a 2 generations in the past and just care about the looks/stereotype associated with a certain car or bike...meaning they are willing to pay alot more than its worth
I am more than happy for people to keep selling their overpriced goods to people who will buy them. It still doesnt make it a good idea to purchase one.Quote:
Originally Posted by krogoth
Consider the fact that the CBR250RR was worth less than $10k new. So in some 15 years it has depreciated by less than half?!
thats why i hate people who buy cbr250rrs, ****ing tool L platers are willing to sell and arm for one for what? for posing of course. alot of people say hey man why dont you upgrade? i dont want to, simple as that and its not because i cant afford it. its more of the fact that this bike to me has sentimental value. so im like yeh yeh yeh
are u riding a cbr250 atm ?
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1996-HONDA-CB...QQcmdZViewItem
least hes asking a reasonable price, u guys put me off fairings now tho lol
the price is reasonable nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Nax
still 4 days to go
hmmm interesting... a cbr600 tail on a cbr250?... would look alot nicer if he had used the whole rear tail with lights, instead of intergrading in the 250's lightsQuote:
Originally Posted by Nax
went and talked to a dealer about a bike, they sold their last used:( but they said a cbf250 would be good for wat im lookin for. anyone have any ideas on what its like, i know its a thumper vs the vtrs v-twin, but should i just go the extra 3.5k for a vtr or for the year im on L's is the cbf gonna be fine? im trying to keep it around 8k cuz i can pay it off in the first year with my car pack and then upgrade
^^ its really up to you mate. what are yu planning to use the bike for? just regular commuting? or still melbourne? lol then the cbfs fine, its not my money so its really up to you, but imo the vtrs a bit more then just a 250, it will last you till your well off your fulls, but you gotta think that if you gonna up grade asap, then dont waste the extra 3K save it, buy gear or something
ya im planning on upgrading asap. i just dont wanna get stuck with a crapmatic sorta deal. it will be just used for the regular comute. has anyone ridden one? wats it like off the line, menauverability etc etc.
^^ read what i typed few pages back on CBFs...ppl dont ready
no offense but can u blame people for not reading 16 pages of spam to find the couple of people who know what they are on about? its alot easier to ask and have someone repeat themselves, or have someone else with new input then to go back to the start and listen to people ramble about shit.
just came back from putty road .... kept up with the big boys, but i just realised the newer bikes are so much easier to tip in and steer very well :/ almost went into the gravel today, scared teh shit out of me