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Why not? The Sportivo weighs 1225kg (pre-facelift) and with a power curve only a mother would love, the AE111 has a very good chance in beating it in the straights. When it comes to the corners, the AE111 would just pull away.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4age8u
When I had me ae111 superztrut equiped I couldn't keep up with a dc2r on twistys lol in saying that haven't really driven a sportivo hard yet..Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
DC2R is a different animal altogether compared to the Sportivo. Not only is its engine much better throughout the low and mid-rpm rev range, the chassis is set up for handling from the factory, complete with additional spot welds and bracing.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4age8u
As a person who has owned both....
The Euro is in a different league to the Sportivo....
One is renowned for its style and handling, the other is a tarted up base model.....
Toyota....F1 wins...0
Honda....lost count...
The Corolla was a few years ago, still impressive, but i luv my Euro....
The Euro runs rings around it on windy roads, with the handling and the more responsive engine. The Sportivo was fun, but it really is an all or nothing engine....I thought it made a lot of noise (nice sound though) and didn't do too much....
The Honda is a class above in refinement and go when you want it...:thumbsup:
the sportivo's engine is different to the basemodels engine ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogchaser
and its the same engine used as a base for the lotus elise and the same engine from the ZR Celica ... so its not all that bad ... but yeah i would say they are in different leagues
depends if u want torque with no revs or no torque with lots of revs
We know that and we are referring to the 2ZZ-GE engine, not the 1ZZ-FE one. But still, it is not a high performance engine where you get torque throughout the rev range. The 2ZZ-GE is more like a fun engine where you have heaps of peak torque and less everywhere else. That's why the Celica and Sportivo were not taken seriously as high performance cars. Plus, the chassis was not set up with a focus on handling. The chassis is a bit soft, while the Sportivo's springs and dampers are ultra comfy. I can actually get the front to lift up when I apply throttle at 2000rpm in 1st gear. I don't get this with the Euro, which implies the Euro has stronger damping than the Sportivo.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSaint
The Elise gets an engine remap to improve the mid-range RPM torque, but in reality, the low torque is not really an issue in the Elise because of the shorter gearing and lighter weight.
Anyway, back in 2004, I was about to put down coin on the Sportivo until a last minute decision which saw me buy the Euro instead.
Or you can have the torque at almost everywhere from 3000 up to 7000rpm compared to the Sportivo's narrow 6000 to 8200rpm window. If you look at even the paper specs, the Euro being 1395kg with 140kW (9.96 kg/kW) is able to have a similar 0-100km/h and 0-400m time to the Sportivo which weighs 1225kg and has 141kW (8.68 kg/kW). That is a big difference in power to weight, yet the acceleration times are almost identical (about 8.2 seconds 0-100km/h and 15.3 seconds 0-400m) which implies that the Sportivo has either a very poor engine power curve or very poor traction.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSaint
Interesting, I don't have an issue whatsoever in mine :) Even let my friends have a steer in mine including a few Type-R owners and EG with B18C, most came out very surprised :p They all thought 1.8L or 2.0L, sorry gents, 1.6L only ;) But whatever :pQuote:
Originally Posted by 4age8u
Also with cars of that age, you can get good ones and you can get poorly-maintained ones. I've driven 4 year old cars with very very low torque, eventhough they are the exact same model and year as mine, which had much more pull.
Now you guys are making me think twice lol
Have you test driven one already? You should also check out au.toyotaownersclub.com for their opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4age8u
Lol, Stivo central... you already know their opinions Aaron =P
Haha, I was actually a member there before I joined Ozhonda. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DreadAngel
But if he asks over here, many will say the Sportivo is not really a quick car. I'm very surprised that the asking price is still so high for a pre-facelift model.