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Hey guys,
I'm pretty close to buying the new kwaka ninja 250r. They are retailing for 7k plus on roads. Which is a bit expensive for a 250 learner bike... but I'm planning on keeping it for long. Wondering what you guys think about the bike... and how low the ride away price could be. I know 'normal' pricing is around 8300 ride away. Not sure what price to aim for.
Check out netrider.com.au (in the bike review section). There is a long post about them. Personally I wouldnt bother spending that much on a learner bike, but up to you. You also have all the other issues of a new bike and also a faired bike.Quote:
Originally Posted by markCivicVti
I know that they are on backorder everywhere so not sure what sort of deal you will get on one.
Thanks Zdster,
I'll check them out. I can get the bike ride away for 7800 including q-ride thrown in (about 600 bucks value)... which is pretty good considering I didn't even negotiate yet...
I'm happy to wait for the bike... no rush.. and when i get it I'm certain I'll be sensible... and if the wors happens I'll be fully geared up anyway :)
http://www.suzukimotorcycles.com.au/...?intBikeID=108
http://www.suzukimotorcycles.com.au/...50LC_K7_SS.jpg
i love this
saw one today
awesome
250 4 stroke V-twin
learner legal
around 6.8 new or so
^^ hey thats pretty sick for a 250!
ya u can get some pretty nice cruisers in the learner class, sport bikes sorta miss the mark it seems
its all the race boy fairings that make them expensive, but theres not much you can do if you like that style of bike.
i reckon ill go with an intruder for my first bike
im not exactly small or light, so the tiny bikes are def out of the question
the intruder, is actually pretty big, the tyres are wide, it seems like a very stable, very good looking bike
and i guess it would be more than capable of going for long drives interstate or something
but i also so a cbf250 next to it.........it may have been another cbf because i never realised how big they are
well u could get a cheaper naked bike, some duct tape and a bunch of colored cardboard! way easier to repair
hahahha, true, but these are just as easy on the wallet if dropped as the nakeds from wat ive heard
tho that big exhaust pipe looks prety fragile
the price for a 2nd hand low km one is pretty reasonable too
krog have u looked at the aquilas at all? if ur a bit of a big boy the 250 is pretty big, or the 650 is massive, good lookin bike too and fairly cheap
http://au.geocities.com/penderghast/Aquila.jpg
looks cool
but yeh, hyosung........i know sometimes they just make the chassis and the engine is made by a jap company
Ive always preferred an original proper bike by a brand name that has been doing its thing for a pretty long time, very succesfull at that too
i also need my first to be pretty reliable since i hope to do alot of long trips into the country with it, so i guess i have more piece of mind with a suzuki than hyosung...
fair enough, cant beat a good name. its basically the same reason i didnt get one, just wasnt sure of it. so instead i got a honda:D
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Originally Posted by Nax
nax is always very creative :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Nax
is there anything ductape cant fix? if there is i havent met it lol
so i got my learners recently and am looking to get myself a 250cc bike that ill keep for a few years
trying to keep my budget 5k and under and spend another 1k on the gear.
ok, so i've looked around on bikesales and found the following
1989 cbr250r - found some for 4 - 4.3k
these were made in 1989 and are still quite exxy ?
2006 vtr250 - these are over my budget since theyre over 5k
2008 kawasaki ninja - 7.7k
1994 ninja - 3.4k but with 95xxx km's on the clock.
cbr250RR - theres a few under budget
are theyre any other ones that you fellas would recommend ?
ive read that the cbr's and vtr's are good learners bikes.
Also check out the GPX/GPZ (almost bullet proof motor), ZZR, Across and if you want an import a ZX2R. If you are under LAMS (and the bike is on the list) I have also heard very good things about the GS500.Quote:
Originally Posted by hooyn
Personally I would go for something with less fairings, not a massive number of km's and something that was built in this century.
Re: the VTR's, it is possible to get one in your price range - will just have to look a bit harder though.
i just had a look through the thread and seems like im gonna sway towards a vtr
are these good to learn on by myself ?
the place that i will be going to to get my license recommends 2 months of riding experience before trying out the course.
Yes, I think one of the best learners (particularly if you are not under LAMS).Quote:
Originally Posted by hooyn
Where are you located? Most license places will teach beginners with no experience (I can recommend somewhere in Victoria).
im in brisbane i looked around a few places and they ask for 900+ for the course
found this place from someone else in brisbane in one of the threads here and they ask for only 350 for a 2 day course. pass the course and i can get my license
http://www.stayupright.com.au/qld.htm
is there any other bike sales websites besides from bikesales.com.au ?
Hmm, dont know much about Brisbane. Stayupright is Australia wide though so they should be ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by hooyn
Also check out bikepoint, ebay and trading-post.
I used to have 07 VTR250 myself.. very good learners bike, and as Zdster said, one of the best too..
Very forgiving, but wouldn't mind to be pushed hard a bit.. I sold mine only because I was offered a very good price I couldn't say no to :p and then got myself an Aprilia RS125. Its a bit of a steep learning curve to me, but I'm glad I got it.. it teaches me on how to really ride a bike, after of course I learned about road safety / awareness on the VTR.
Like I said, the VTR is a forgiving bike.. so you can be more focused on the road and not on how to ride the bike
Thats who I went through years ago. Very professional and very good course.Quote:
Originally Posted by hooyn
Q-ride kicks ass! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
bike must be expensive in qld....i sold my ninja way under that price
cbr are around 3k here in vic if you know where to look. hyosung is 4k.
Any opinions on a late model 250R Ninja?
well its the only new 250 out there apart from the hyosung.
if your after something modern looking and can afford it then go for it.
go sit on one and ride it around see if you like it.
personally i wouldnt spend 7k for one but if it was in a good price range i would definitely grab one. actually looking for a 2nd hand one for the missus. looks great but sounds like a tractor at low rpms (2 cylinders rather than 4)
Yeah seems you can find a few around 5.5grand, and they are only one year old :S
there is the honda training centre
http://hondampe.com.au/repository/mo...urses.aspx#qld
At moment, looking at these...
CB400
RVF400
VTR250
What should I be looking out for in used bikes. You guys have any pointers on what to keep an eye on. Ive been told anything with a taco that has numbers that dont line up is likely wound back... what else should I be looking out for?
Just general bike condition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Twincam16
Things like a new chain and sprockets will cost you a few hundred. Check that they are adjusted correctly, as if overtightened, can cause serious problems. Good check to see if the OP has got an idea about their bike.
Check for wheel bearing free play. Try to wobble wheels from side to side.
Bearings cost heaps to replace. Ask about if they have ever greased up the bearings. Like swing arm and head stem bearings.
Check frame for cracks.
Tyre condition is a good indicator on how the bike has been ridden. You want to see 'chicken strips' LOL! Tyres cost a few hundred too, so new is nice.
Ask about servicing, and what they do to maintain their bike. It is easy to pick someone who loves their bike and takes good and proper care for it, and the ones who have NFI. Check the air filter. If it's dirty, that is a good indication that they don't care about their bike.
If you get a bad feeling about the bike, walk away. Plenty out there. ;)
Two good links that are quite comprehensive from Netrider:
http://www.netrider.net.au/articles/...sed_bike_guide
http://www.netrider.net.au/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4306
I think what was said in the first linked thread is one of the best pieces of advice:
Dont buy the first bike you see!
Honda CBR125R <-------------$4300 On the road
They are the shittest of shite. :thumbdwn:Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnythehondaman
Agree. They are postie bikes with stylish fairings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
Best learners bike? Hmm something that is reliable, easy to ride and has decent power.
true because its slow. but you can sell it back to the dealer with minimal loss. and for that 4300 you can get on roads, and insurance, and helmet. perfect for someone just starting. the bike also looks pleasing to the eye.Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
also parts for cbr 125( fairings) are very cheap.
Its not that it is slow - it is just a small 125.Quote:
Originally Posted by hisoka
I am trying to figure out how you think you will be able to sell it back to a dealer with minimal loss? Like all bike/car dealers, the dealer has to purchase the bike back from you to onsell at market rates - hence offering you less money than the market. On top of that, and while I am yet to see any sales evidence, I do wonder what the market is for those sorts of bikes.
For $4k you can pick up a 06 GPX which is much better value IMO (even if it is a different sort of bike).
yer, i was just thinking for young people its okai.
my younger cousin sold his one back to the dealer for about 4200 dollars, but the bike was imaculate. he bought it for about 5000 with free helmet etc.
i agree there are other bikes that are also good for money. but this bike is light and easy to ride/ learn on. its like scooter pretty much lol.
i guess i was just probably talking about people out of high school and stuff. iam not as old as you guys so i dont really know to much about bigger bikes. never really ridden them. looking to purchase R6 now, but i think its still to big for me.
also you know how some people who get parents to buy there stuff ( i know a guy) he has his leaners however his parents wont allow second hand bike, so he had to settle for new bike, and he just got the cbr125, because he thinks it looks good and stuff. Basically the genral population of young people learning how to ride will buy 125rr, because it is quite appealing to them.
like us, if we were genral population we would be buying holdens and fords (and seeing them as performance track racing car). this is like the honda 125rr. just the genral market. they think its nice quick good looking bike. But better reasearch would indicate as you said a 06 GPX is a better choice. you know what i mean~
not starting argument. just saying in younger persons (genral population) view the cbr125rr is probably gonna be the choice. but someone who likes cars and performance would probably research more and get a maybe second hand or older bike. as it may have better things, power, looks etc etc and better value
Small bikes are temperamental and hard to ride.
You need torque to make it easy to ride. Something a 125 has none of.
i think there pretty easy, i learnt on a carby 125, then moved up to a fuel injected 125, which was slower actually lol.
[QUOTE=S2kane;2096442]http://www.honda.co.jp/motor-lineup/.../pht_sp_01.jpg
http://www.honda.co.jp/motor-lineup/...t_photo_02.jpg
http://www.honda.co.jp/motor-lineup/...t_photo_01.jpg
These are going to be road registered in Australia soon !!
they used to around ages ago. mad fun. theres other similar aswell.
http://www.monkeytuners.com/album/ga...koop%20012.jpg
http://www.monkeytuners.com/album/ga...61115_0001.JPG
chuck on race fairings and good to go
http://www.honda-dax.com/albums/albun43/aad.jpg
cbr125 arent really that shit. they do have their markets. they are not the best selling small bikes over in europe for no reason.
my friend just picked hers up for 3k with 1yr rego under 900km onroad. its a perfect bike for her. i dont think she could handle a 250. its so agile to move around.
not for everyone but good bikes for what they are.
that said im riding 600s cos 250 didnt serve my needs, doesnt mean 250 are shit bikes :)
Neither is the Fiat500.... Small narrow dead end roads perhaps? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by EK4R
You are allowed to say it LOL! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by EK4R
250's are shit!!! (I'm too big for them)
It should be slower. It would have been more fuel efficient though.Quote:
Originally Posted by hisoka
Injectors can't atomise the fuel as good as a carby can. ;)
well thats ur fault u fat ass lol not the 250s faultQuote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
Um, no. To me it is shit for the exact same reasons as a 125....Quote:
Originally Posted by EK4R
why cos they are hard to ride? lol................:thumbsup: maybe for youQuote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
125's are hard to ride for learners....Quote:
Originally Posted by EK4R
To me they are just gutless women's bikes. Like 600's. :thumbsup:
You should see dani pedrosas bike.. its sooo smallQuote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
I look like a giant on it. smaller than a 600
See avatar..
Holy shit! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by S2kane
No way I'd fit on that! Great power though! :cool:
Im 6ft 3... so i may have a hard time on a VFR or another 250 correct?
I'm about the same as you. You might be right if you are a 70kg 6'3".....Quote:
Originally Posted by Twincam16
I had to do my training on a Suzuki GS500. That was easy to ride, and had some grunt too.
Anyone else see this bike?
http://www.suzukimotorcycles.com.au/...-approved.html
You could learn on it, then actually keep it.
yeah, maybe we should chuck learners on 600's then. oh wait, you think they are gutless too... hrm. maybe a r1 then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
I was being sarcastic. EK4R has a 600. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by preludacris
that suzuki looks like crap
and getting bikes that are ecud down is lame, cuz u can never ecu them back the original way legally
which means u spend 10k for a big bike, with the same power as a 250, which u end up selling anyways because when u finish ur L's ur stuck witht he same power output
http://www.thescooterreview.com/imag...300-24_med.jpg
http://www.thescooterreview.com/comp...sh-300?start=2
These things are pretty good..
^^ what is it?
i almost bought a yamaha aerox 100 for kicks
Honda SH300
Pretty expensive though
im dont own/ride a bike myslef but im saving for one soon. the best advise i got was "get a naked bike for learner first for cheap and save your money for the bike u really want
Aprilia rs125's has the same power as cbr250rr'r and zx2r's. Aprilia 125 is a 2 stroke where as the cbr and ninja are 4 stroke. U have to be revving the crap out of the 125 to get the same power as the other 2. Plus they sound like a lawn mower and putting petrol is annoying coz u have to mix oil and fuel whenever u fill up. Unless u like the sound of a lawn mower everytime you're riding then go for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by eight
I guess it comes down to personal preference. Personally I cant be stuffed mixing oil and petrol when i fill up. It takes long as it is putting your gear back on after filling up. Plus the sound of a lawn mower is hella annoying....
I agree with those who says to get a bike not coz of its looks or its power coz lets face it, learner bikes dont go anywhere. After 3 months of riding a learner bike, you'd wanna get rid of it and get their bigger brothers. I say get a bike that is cheap but reliable and one that u wouldnt be cut up about if u dropped it. Learner biker tend to have a better resale value than bigger bikes so no matter which one u get, chances are if u sell it or trade it in, you'd be able to get better $$$ for it (as long as u take care of it that is).
Also, naked bike are the best way to learn coz turning is so much easier and trust me, when u go for your "P" you'd want the bike to turn easily. Sports bikes have a bigger turning circle. Plus with a naked bike, u dont need to worry about scratching the fairing coz they dont have one.
^^ i agree to a certain extend.
if you want a sport bike and got a naked bike as your Ls, by the time you on your full and want a proper sport bike you get a 600 something, you would have to relearn some of the riding techniques as it is very different between the two.
also for your P license. you use their bikes not yours..which mostly are naked anywas and you can pretty much pick it up on the way.
naked are good to start on though
i thought the rs125 (and any current 2 stroke) is a auto mixer. That is , oilis separate to the fuel tank and it is automatically correctly mixed before combusted.Quote:
Originally Posted by N1nj4R1d4h
Anyway imo the perfect learner bike is a used CBR 250 R . Grab one for about 2-3 grand max. thrash it. drop it. sell it again in a year when you get sick of it.
I believe in NSW you use your own bike for P's testing.Quote:
Originally Posted by EK4R
The problem is (even if you look past the fact that it is a faired bike) is that they are reasonably old and trying to pick one up in good condition for that price is nearly impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
true to the above - i picked one up recently in good condition for about $2k. lots of rego and runs fine but i wouldnt pay too much more for it. Its a freaking 20 year old bike ffs.
that sh300 looks wicked. beast of a commuter.
What do you guys think about a NSR150 as a first bike for a complete biker noob with no experience such as myself?
I don't want to spend anymore than $3K for my first bike and what i've seen the NSR150 is about the only bike going around thats under $3K for 2001/02 model.
(i know you guys will recommend a VTR250 but i hate the naked look and also they're more expensive).
read up dude.....250s r below 3k if you look around. patience. even new cbr125 are below 3k if you look aroundQuote:
Originally Posted by VTECfreak
In NSW, u can use your bike or hire theirs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zdster
V400 2009 anyone?
stylish new cruiser~
http://hondampe.com.au/repository/mo...roduction.aspx
hi im a new user here,
i know nothing about bikes, and woul like some information and opinions on cbr250, nsr150 or cbr125? whats the strokes? ive heard the 2 stroke nsr150 is quicker than cbr250 but have no idea how it works and so forth..
also i weigh 90kgs+, would the small 150 and 125 struggle?
Yes i have read a few previous pages and found nothing relevant, and theres too many pages to flick through to and from page 1.
If someone could give me some background knowledge and help me decide it would be appreciated.
Cheers
Hope this helps bud...Quote:
Originally Posted by tonee
Info and Opinions
* CBR250/250R/250RR - 250cc, 4 stroke, sports bike which is popular with most L platers going for a mix of speed and looks. Majority of these bikes are imported (also called a Grey Import) and because of this have gone through about 30 other people before you lay your hands on one. There are Aussie delivered cibbys (CBR's) which from what im told range from 1997-1999 and were imported directly by Honda Australia and sold as new (production on all CBR's actually ended in 1996). Preferably, go for an Aussie del bike, as its less likely to have been wound back by an importer, but chances are it's been wound back anyways. Anything less than 40,000 kms is asking for a bit much for a 20 year old bike... so keep an eye out for wear and tear on things like the chain/sprokets/cracks in frame/slide marks on anything but fairings.
The RR's are the newest version of the CBR250's above, differences between two... (thanks to cbr250.com)
** CBR250R (MC19) **Engine: 249cc, 4 stroke, 4cyl inline, 16 valve DOHC
Redline @ 18,000rpm
Chassis/Frame: More upright seating position, engine higher up.
Brakes: Single disc front and rear
** CBR250RR (MC22) **
Engine: 249cc, 4 stroke, 4cyl inline, 16 valve DOHC
Redline @ 19,000rpm
Chassis/Frame: Frame was different, lower seating position, curved rear arm
Brakes: Twin discs front, single disc rear
Some good equivalents would be bikes like the ZZR250's, GPX250's or the ZX2R. A lot cheaper than many lemon CBR's going around. You could also try out the highest selling bike of 2008, the Kawasaki 250R Ninja, which looks awesome, there are heaps to choose from, and you get a decent package for the price you pay (Yes! Aussie delivered and most still have factory warranty!)
** 2 Stroke / 4 Stroke **
Now before I tell you about our 2 stroke NSR, ill clarify the difference. The most simple way to put it is that a two stroke basically involves oil being fed into the motor WITH the fuel supply, whereas a 4 stroke has a separate resovoir to hold oil and lubricates pistons etc from the outside. 2 stroke does this in reverse (to some extent).
Normally, with a 2 stroke lawnmower, whippersnipper, or anything in your shed, you would have to mix the fuel you buy with a certain % of oil before filling your tank up. Thankfully, the smart Japs realised that people wouldnt be too happy constantly measuring up oil:fuel ratios every time they filled, so two stroke bikes have a separate tank for fuel and oil which automatically mixes as you ride.
* NSR150 - 150cc, 2 stroke, 1 cyl, light, about 130kg... but produces power similar to a 250cc 4 stroke, but similar to our vtakkk its going to take a while to rev it out to get that power. Even taking off from a stop start will take a bit of revving to get moving, and if you weight 90kg+, its just going to take longer. They are also getting old now, and 2 strokes are less efficient, and harder to manage than a 4 stroke (Think rotary:cylinder for a good idea). Some other bikes in the same class are the RS125 (Aprilia), and Cagiva 125 which are a hell of a lot newer, but higher priced ($6000+).
* CBR125 - 125cc, 4 stroke, about 115kg so lighter than most but a lot newer and a lot LESS powered (9.5kw @ motor baby!). This thing is not suitable for Australian roads, its not going to haul the average aussie male around. If your 60kg, your power to weight ratio is going to be around 50kw/tonne lol...
When looking for a bike... Pay attention to the small details and look past the pretty fairings... its easy to clean up a bike, get new fairings, paint it. put some team repsol stickers on it, only to still have the same uncared for bike that they cracked in the first place...
If you are a heavy bloke, probably wouldnt reccomend getting any of the above, the cibby will get you around but maybe consider a decent 400cc or maybe a 500/650 even? If you can look past the hekticness of riding a 250cc superbike :p then maybe go for an easier to ride naked bike like the VTR250? Naked bikes (ones that dont have the plastics around the motor and radiator) are a lot easier to ride during your l's test as well... remember, turning in a sportsbike is a lot more restricted than most others. If you have a bad back or you are tall like me, you might get some issues with bending over all the time. My mates usually kick the air, and stretch on rides every 5 mins. Also, try to test out a bike before you commit to buying one, it may be harder for you as a learner, but if you are serious and nice enough, and have some cash for them to hold and smell as you ride it around, they should be alright...
Thats all I could think of... its late and im tired... hope it helps :thumbsup:
Mate I had a cbr250rr and never had any issues. It was quick and it revved very smoothly.
Although that was a good example, there are alot of duds out there floating around that will have continuous problems and have probaly been written off in the past.
I reckon the aprillia RS125 is a nice learner bike too!
Never said it wasnt a great learner bike, only to be wary of what you are looking at buying... especially since if someone is an L plater now, your gonna need a bike to kick through at least 3 years of restricted riding...Quote:
Originally Posted by bubblecivic
Still, there are heaps better options out there
good shit twincam
Bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Twincam16
Well thats a good reply but Ill rephrase it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
2 strokes are less reliable...
Because of this they do have efficiency problems... the reason they are used is because they are lighter (power:weight)... and cheaper to make... but you wont find a car with a 2 stroke engine because its not as reliable or efficient...
There is also the fact that the engine is burning oil at a higher rate than a 4 stroke so its going to need a topup of oil more frequently than the 4 will... so its less efficient
A 2 stroke wont last as long, so its less efficient...
More expensive maintaining it as well... costs more to run