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Personally i'd like to know these figures after the reflash:
1. 0-60km/h
2. 0-100km/h
3. 80-120km/h
4. 0-400m
5. Before and After power at the wheels (same day, same dyno)
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Same Same!!Quote:
Originally Posted by sodaz
Buy the reflash and let us know too. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by sodaz
we would if it was available...
lol lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Gibbo
Whats the likelihood of an ecu reflash for the Comptech Supercharger? :eek:
wait another 5 years....Quote:
Originally Posted by Pumped
since comptech is now out of business, i would say VERY unlikely
Comptech bought the supercharger from another company. Just find out which company that was, source the belts, brackets and piping, you can make your own equivalent.
Its an Eaton M62 Blower :) im 95% sure
about $2600 Aus i think.
would seem much cheaper to build my own kit anyway!
Good luck ...you still need to cast the manifolds unless you have this and the correct tooling would be very hard
go turbo :p instead supercharging MUAHUAHUAH !!
Would be cheaper and easier to do... I agree
yea you could do, but the likely hood of hondata (Australia) making an official reflash for such cases is still very unlikelyQuote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
You could speak to James about a possible custom reflash. Worth exploring...Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_F
I personally wouldn't be interested in a FI setup, but I guess that'd def. be an option for some members.
I think James will be looking at a Turbo for the Euro eventually anyway
good to see so much support for the car now and in the future
Any further news ?? It is past the middle of March and we are still waiting for a release date. Cmon - surely you can do better than this, Hondata... Please :)
OMG ITS OUT havent u seen the site!?!?!?!
btw im jokin =P
um last time i heard he said site n release of products is comin out within 2 weeks n that was said last week so mayb 1 more week?
time will tell us anyways
One day...
I'll wake up and it'll be released and my life will be complete
lol im goin to wake up one day n find out its released then go damn im still poor and have no money for it as the day b4 i slept.
hahaha,When it's released you'll find the money.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by enkay
i wish they would hurry
even if its one week left they could take orders and by the time the goods came and everyone paid it would be the same sh&*
Yeah,it's frustrating.BTW mr747 what are you getting?stage 4?Quote:
Originally Posted by mr747
what ever has the most power :) yourself?
Yep.Stage 4.FTW!Quote:
Originally Posted by mr747
Same here! Stage 4 all the way. I just wish they would release a little more info just to tantalise us more, it’s slipping further back in my mind. Never the less it should be worth the wait...I hope.:p
Snore...
Some magazine said the new Year 2016 Euro Accord is coming out next month.
So are we going to get our MY05 Hondata release yet? :wave:
You guys wanting the whole package - you are not bothered by the potential cost of it? I know the exact price has not been released but we have been given a rough idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by ENVSSS
I am not so sure about the whole package now. The reflash sounds like good value and I will probably lean towards that without any bolt ons. The bolt ons, flash, and install all add up.
There are quite a few alternative vehicles on the market now that will spank even the top version reflash with bolt ons at the same entry point as the Euro. I wonder whether it is just better putting the almost $5000 towards a different car (prob not now but in a year or two).
I also have high hopes for the replacement Euro being turbo and SH-AWD :D I am losing interest in this a little. Anyone else having second thoughts?
Yep me too. I am hanging on to my 05 euro, only got 28 000kms on it. I have a 07 CRV Lux coming this friday.
Im wanting the full Hondata package but Id get a very nice trade on my euro at the moment and add $5000 to that and im thinking S2000 mmmm or something turbo stock...
I'm thinking along the same lines as YFIN.
I'm quite certain I won't mod my Euro now. I'll rather spend the extra money on another car. A Renault Megane Sports for example... that car is just crazy fast around corners - what Civic Type R? lol.
Or the alternative is I'll get the latest Euro Accord and hope that next time around the mods will arrive sooner.
to all the guys thats modding the euro, i guess you could say im a "veteran" now since ive been there, done that with my car and now that its back to stock and now that ive sold all the parts that i had on it (hahaha "veteran" maks me sound old...)
IMO, (and this is just my opinion), dont bother with engine mods, with hondata or anything like that with the euro. I say just go for a nice kit, rims, and a bit of lowering and maybe MAYBE an exhaust. If not, lowering with spring/shocks and just nice rims would do the trick, unless you want to use the car for tracking purposes....but even then, i dont think doing engine mods to the euro is worth the trouble
the extent of mods as far as engine mods go, personally I would probably put a CAI and leave the internals, ECU and everything else as is. Not even headers or a full catback. For the amount of money you pay for mods on a euro, its not as much bang for buck as you would get with a force inducted car....and even the other mods for the euro like teins, cusco, mugen, etc are expensive compared to other more mainstream cars like the silvias, skylines, RX7's, wrx, evo's etc. (but then again that has partly to do with hondas reputation of jacking up the price 10 fold)
And if i still had the euro (in terms of when my car was back in its former glory ^^), i doubt I would have paid for a full hondata reflash with stage 4 and everything (if it even comes out), just cuz of the fact that it took way too damn long and half of that decision would be out of spite...cuz no offence to peekay or anyone at hondata but seriously, i think i speak for the rest of us when i say it took too bloody long to even get it this far and i'd just have the "cant be fked anymore" attitude. Fair enough peekay gave up his car to be the guinea pig and I have full respect for that, but thats not the issue here. it just took way too damn long....and even STILL we dont know the exact pricing for it. Yeah there seems to be some significant gains from a stock euro but any car that you do engine mods to will more than likely give you gains over its stock form providing the mods are sensible.
I guess true N/A enthusiasts (or purists as i call them) will go ahead and mod a honda or the VTEC engine no matter what anyone says. But for me, i would rather spend 5K on engine mods knowing that my car will put out a significant amount more power than its stock form....
e.g my friend has an R34 GTT and going around wakefield, the turbo blew. Stock turbo, a few engine mods here and there. Before the turbo blew, the car was making around 200kw atw with about 1 bar boost. He spent around 5K for a full turbo upgrade with other bits here and there and it now pulls around 290 at 1 bar and about 330 at 1.2 bar.
my 2c
Gotta agree with Stephen and Yfin also.
I might consider the reflash and maybe CAI (for a good note) but I want to know the fuel consumption details in full first. The full exhaust/headers is way too expensive though.
Certainly rather trade in and get a CTR or turbo car from the word go.
I think someone asked Peekay about consumption previously and he said he hasn't seen any adverse difference. I wouldn't let consumption hold you back.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiLL|z0r
You guys have shored up my opinion on this - will probably go for the base flash only.
That is why most of us stick with N/A rather than go forced induction. There is almost no risk of a blown headgasket on the track.Quote:
Originally Posted by stephen8512
Mmm.I am having second thoughts, i'll wait and see when it's eventually released i suppose.I've budgeted on approx.4k for stage 4 i don't know how close it'll be to that figure with a group buy.:(Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
In my opinion, the base flash won't change your fuel consumption much. But the full blown 150kW one will increase fuel consumption.
Fuel consumption should increase only if you use the available power.Normal driving should yield the same or better than stock figures because the engine is more efficient with the mods.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Hehe, all your power gains were negated by your heavy mods. Power and VIP doesn't go together, that's the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by stephen8512
true,Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
but what i guess im trying to say is, unless its the euro R, our normal euro's dont see that much benefit compared to the amt of money put in for mods from putting in track worthy mods as compared to other N/A examples, such as type Rs and lotus elise/exige, etc. Even the euro R i dont think is that great a track worthy car....
but each to their own...
lol power and vip are MEANT to go to together. Q45's, Celsiors, LS430's are all V8's :DQuote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Stage 4 advances the ignition timing as much as possible as well as maximise the cam advance angle. Those 2 will need more fuel than normal (not a whole lot, just a bit more) to prevent any detonation, especially when at low RPM high load.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
The Euro's engine to start with is not a high revving one and above 5000rpm, is starving for air. Forced induction will help it a lot. But yeah, the base NA engine does not leave a lot to work with.Quote:
Originally Posted by stephen8512
BTW, with coils, the Euro is a fast car. Of course, it has to be set up properly. Being in Melb now, I've noticed that every lowered Euro has the front wheel jack point lower than the rear wheel jack point (both at teh side skirt), thus they are lowered for looks, not handling. All I can say is that corner balancing and coils are the best mods that I have done on my car. :)
As for Elise/Exige, you are paying for coilovers, racing tyres, racing brakes, weight reduction and chassis stiffening straight from the factory.
That makes the Euro a mini-VIP, since its engine is below 3L capacity. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by stephen8512
im still going for ecu reflash... :D
I was looking at going for the reflash as well but I dont think I will after having to wait so long. Im also look at upgrading my Euro to a new one so that is also a big factor of not getting it done.
Does anyone know when the new one will be released?? Im thinking next year right?? Cause by then, the current shape will have been out for 5 years
man what are u on.... Euro R is a TypeR itself and is a very good track car. see the Phase EUro R, it is amazing. nice coilover, strut, tyres, light weight rims and brake on any TypeR will be a very good track car. dont find an excuse on going VIPQuote:
Originally Posted by stephen8512
JDM yo lol
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Originally Posted by TypeG
what are YOU on?Quote:
Originally Posted by stephen8512
i said "UNLESS ITS THE EURO R" which means i excluded the euro R from my examples....i was talking about OUR CL9's. learn to read :thumbdwn:
and no doubt, phase euro R is very nice. Never said it wasn't...but ur talkin about a full race/track bred car here. u can say that with ANY race car. Sunline Auto R34 GTR, RE amemiya RX7, Spoon S2K, etc etc. They are all amazing examples of their class.
and it never was an "excuse" to go VIP anyway. All i said was if ur gonna mod the euro (not just engine mods, but mods in general), IMO doing rims, bodykit and lowering would be sufficient...but again each to their own. ur totally missing the point here. i was arguing that money paid for mods on OUR EURO CL9 (not CL7 euro R) isnt really bang for buck on the K24A3 so i dont see the point in even spending another 5K or so for the full stage 4 hondata reflash or watever it is.
Even ask DRIVEN (ozhonda trader). he built his CL9 for track and he even bought 3K worth of AP racing brakes and rotors, had cusco zeal coilovers, spoon shortshifter, CE28Ns, swift front and rear sway bars, maxim headers, 5zigen single out exhaust, as well as other stuff. And even HE thinks that money for mods to make the euro a TRACK CAR isnt worth it. And if you know anything, then you would know that the mods i just stated are very good quality mods so if you pay THAT MUCH MONEY with focus on ur car being a TRACK car and even after all that, its not worth it, then getting a reflash and paying that much for the full stage 4 hondata cant be worth it either (in terms of money paid for gains given)
and since ur so focused on "jdm" i guess ur not gonna get the reflash anyway even if it does come out....
im not for JDM, im not against JDM. I do my car as how I see fit. Sure, sometimes JDM is nice and with my RX7 i plan to do it up with full JDM mods cuz even though its JDM, its how IIII want to do it up. With the euro however, I felt like we got cheated here in australia for thm not to bring out the euro R. So the CL9 in my eyes was more of a cruiser than a JDM type vehicle, which is why I went for looks and a lil bit of power to go with it. But having said that, that "little bit of power" for the price i paid for my mods definately wasn't worth it in my books and personaly I wouldnt do it again. not on the euro anyway. (CL9, not 7...in case u thought i was talkin about the euro R again)
hey peter long time mateQuote:
Originally Posted by ZYL11A
hahaha who the fk knows when hondata will actually bring it out. they keep saying soon, soon, but eh. ive given up hope a long time ago. hahaha
sorry, i am refering to the last sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by stephen8512
Driven is another case since he is more after power than anything else as I talked to him quite a few times on modifying a Euro. I am not going to sell the car because it is not a worthy track car since I need a four doors car with a bit of comfort for long trip. MAYBE he is not a good tracker and want to something more power and better like EVO which the ECU does everything for the driver .............
i agree that NA is not worth getting performance mod as the money you spend is not going to make big different.
fair enuffQuote:
Originally Posted by TypeG
but stock for stock, a euro R vs say, DC2R, DC5R, CTR, the euro R would be the heaviest.
and driven (from what i understand) is only after more power becaue for the amount of mods he paid for his euro, and the power output he got, it wasnt enough to satisfy him, since he felt he could get more bang for buck on a turbo. And i think I would be the same too. imagine spending ALL THAT MONEY on brakes, headers, exhaust etc etc to make a track car out of a euro, only to have ur times marginally reduced. True, it also boils down to the driver of the vehicle, but you'd want to get at least more than just 2 seconds with the mods he had on his euro
and thats why i said, modding wise, performance mods isnt really beneficial if ur a serious tracker. if ur just an occasional tracker for fun then i guess gettin the standard I/H/E with a reflash would benefit you, but not much. and personally i wouldnt do it. id mod it to make it look good
very trueQuote:
Originally Posted by stephen8512
Euro is too heavy indeed but somehow power is not mean it is a good track car. Euro has 120kw with some bolt on is not too bad on track. Maybe it is because the track i went usually using 2-3 gears most of the time which I think power is quite useless unless u drag it or whatever.
Stephen8512, don't worry I won't call u a "veteran"... Long way mate :D
Modifying car is all about passion and how much dosh dosh you have :D - LIKE STEPHEN said "EACH TO THEIR OWN!!!!"
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Originally Posted by EuroAccord13
hahahaha yeah exactly. veteran as far as modding euro is concerned :D LOL!
sad fact is though, not everyone has that much dosh dosh, so ur always looking for best bang for buck in terms of mods.
each to their own. do what u want with ur cars. but just letting u know my personal side of things and how i felt. thats all
hey if u wana get the hondata, then go for it i say. get it and give feedback and THEN i guess we can truly say whether this is a worthy mod or not
Yeap! I'm poor and hence DIY FTW! hahahahah.....
True to the word, BFYB... I don't have a money tree in my backyard to pluck money from LOL!
Euro is not meant to be a track car to begin with..... if you want to make a cheap luxury cruiser/family car a track car, you are prone to be spending a lot much more compare to making a track car with a sport/performance car
Im not after a track car at all. Thats why I have a 125cc racing Kart.
Im after that extra 15% that the Euro needs to go from Good to a FKING great daily driver! FTW Yi Ha me hearties!
Yep,that's what i want too.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Suntzu
Shit... I think its great car already...maybe cause I always stuck on Paramata road with the 60kmh speed limit. :p
tron07.You should do the shocks + springs and get some 17s on yours.THEN you'll have a really great car!.:wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by tron07
Paramata road is bumpy.... then it will be worse
Yeah tell me about it dude. We gotta catch up soon. Wanna take the legend out for its last cruise before I sell it. But in saying that im thinking of getting rid of the euro too.Quote:
Originally Posted by stephen8512
begining of April... Still nothing. Anyone know when yet ???
Nope.I've given up on it.I wish there was something else out there that we could install(reflash,piggyback whatever)but there doesn't appear to be.:thumbdwn:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibbo
really? u had so much hope :eek: wait for the k-pro lol or get your own I/H/E & install euro1 :thumbsup: or custom turbo :pQuote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
Hope this is not going to be a reflection of their aftermarket service and troubleshooting if anything goes wrong. If the reflash plays up, having to wait a year or so for a solution.
Well, I do believe that these things take their time, why would they want to take their time just for the heck of it when they could be releasing it to make $$$? I'd rather they get it right when they release it then to release a faulty product early.
lol thats quite true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unkie
wat if we get the reflash and one day the car just doesnt seem to be working right, are we gonna have to wait for a few months?
That will be really messed up lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by kitbkk
Can someone (eg Peekay or James) give us something other than "soon, soon" ??? Seriously this is just no way to run a business.
Why are you so impatient?
Its still only April of 2007.
I have a feeling its coming soon.
Its only been 2 to 4 years.
But "soon, soon" is exactly what James is saying. He can't committ to an exact date until he has all the hardware which he is not manufacturing. That is my understanding anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibbo
from what i can gather the gear is all made and he is just waiting on delivery ??? - surely if it is at that late stage the handling should have been sorted. Someone is giving him the runaround - I do feel sorry for him because it is out of his control but that is not the point - if he wants his product out on the market, he should be jumping up and down to the courier or who ever is causing the delay - After all I still have my money - it is him who is incurring the loss which I'm sure he is eager to recoupe.
what we all can do is wait. We shouldn't make any assumptions, the release date is entirely up to him. However he must have understood something as well. That is if he releases it too late, and the new euro is out, people would leave the old euro and start modding the new one.
Patient Is The Key!!
spot on curik.