Civic Type R $39,990 + On Roads

just came back from a 20min test drive in the CTR...
first impressions...what's going on with the door handle???
anyway, lets move on from the quality issues.
the engine, yes, it is responsive, but nothing too different to the TypeS K20Z1...if anything it feels the TypeS pulls harder, that's how i felt it anyway...the gearbox feels exactly the same as my TypeS, and 3rd gear has the two step notchy feeling, just like the typeS.

the VTEC comes in earlier, so maybe you think you're going faster, but I don't feel any difference. The seats...well, I find the Colt RalliArt has better seats than this...but i has side airbags..which is a good thing.

and I cannot see the speedometer...it gets blocked by the top the steering wheel...and the turning circle is about the same as the TypeS.

Now the good things about this car. It is true you have to see it in person to really see how nicely styled this car is. I drove a black one and it definitely looks good in black. Red would look good too.

the brake calipers with the TypeR on them looks pretty cool.

To me, this feel like my TypeS, just with a different interior and exterior...
But this is my opionion...so don't base your judgement on it.

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Originally Posted by sitta

picking mine in a couple of hours hahah its christmas time

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Pics please as soon as you can :wave:

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Originally Posted by Tofu

To me, this feel like my TypeS, just with a different interior and exterior...
But this is my opionion...so don't base your judgement on it.

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Is the suspension stiffer than your Type S? And are the side airbags built into the seat?

how can u not see the speedo?
u do know the steering wheel is adjustable?

I find the type S seats are not supportive at all, not like the older recaros, the have always been writtin as not very good seats for support wise. i would be comparing the CTR seats to the Type S seats, not the colt lol
Good to see u had a test drive
u must love ur type s very much

i found the exhaust very different too, sound more agressive in the CTR

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Originally Posted by aaronng

Is the suspension stiffer than your Type S? And are the side airbags built into the seat?

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I can't really say, because i have TeinSS since i bought the car...but it's almost as stiff as the teinSS, but not quite as stiff...

the airbags are built into the seats, on the side...i have no idea how they would be deployed, unlike the typeS leather seats, you can see there's a module where the airbag sits...the CTR sets is integrated into the seats, i would assume it comes out of the seams of the seats when deployed..like in a MINI Cooper...(actually have seen this, my brother's MINI got T-boned last month..:()

I never said the TypeS seats were the best, but I have sat and driven in a DC5R for long distances, and it's not that comfortable to be quite honest.
My mother has a bad back, and she sat in the TypeS for a 2hour drive up to Toowoomba area and she didn't complain a thing...and also that's why we bought a BMW 120i, because of the supportive seats...But I know the TypeS seats are not great at all on the track.

All I'm saying is the CTR seats are nothing to jump up and down about, because you will get the same sort of thing in a Colt RalliArt...:p
I mean the seat in a Porsche Cayman, even though it's not top of the range Porsche, that seat is so comfortable and supportive...I guess I'm just spoilt.

the speedo and the steering wheel position really doesn't work. I'm around 5"11 (180cm) after adjusting the steering coulomb for a few minutes, i still couldn't clearly see the speedo...in the end i had to lower the steering wheel almost to my upper thigh/knees. And when i did this, the seating position just feels strange, feels like i was "on top" of the steering/dash...unless i move the seat back rest back...guess i'll need to fiddle with the positioning around if i owned one.

It's just that for $43k for a Civic, it really needs to "impress" me to get my cheque book out. And i guess when I've owned two DC5 in 5 years and now have a TypeS, there's no point in buying this CTR.

i just got my car this afternoon and it was awesome even though i havent touched the VTEC part yet haha keeping it under 5000 and this car is fast truly an amazing car, going to wax my car tonight haha. So far no problem with third gear as alot of people says, hmm i love the smell of new car. My dad drove the car for a while (he is paying for this) and he came out with a smile on his face and said, this car is bullshit hahahaha he wasnt expecting much from this car earlier by the way my number is #4260 off the line:)

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Originally Posted by Tofu

I can't really say, because i have TeinSS since i bought the car...but it's almost as stiff as the teinSS, but not quite as stiff...

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I see. Thanks for the feedback. Just trying to find out if the CTR is as stiff as they claim it is.

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Originally Posted by Tofu

the airbags are built into the seats, on the side...i have no idea how they would be deployed, unlike the typeS leather seats, you can see there's a module where the airbag sits...the CTR sets is integrated into the seats, i would assume it comes out of the seams of the seats when deployed..like in a MINI Cooper...(actually have seen this, my brother's MINI got T-boned last month..:()

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You don't know how happy I am because the airbags are built into the seats. At least now, Euro owners have an sports seat option while staying legal by maintaining that side airbag (ours also comes out by splitting the seams). :thumbsup:

Let me tell you this, the suspension is stiff but its not uncomfortable it is very easy to live with, even though its stiff it doesnt vibrate much which is very good. OMGF im so tired now... just waxed my new ctr... i will have a good night sleep tonight

hmmm u guess tofu u must have a long body in some parts(legs ect) lol im 6'3" and i can get into it perfect and see the speedo without a worry

i saw the civic type R @ the HOT 4s magazine office in silverwater. Looks like theres going to be a right up of the hot hatch soon.

Damm it looks soo good in person

There are a couple at Scotts Honda in the north shore. Really nice to sit in...

Does anyone know what K20A series the cars are using?

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Originally Posted by [200]

There are a couple at Scotts Honda in the north shore. Really nice to sit in...

Does anyone know what K20A series the cars are using?

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its a K20Z4

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Originally Posted by UNLS1

I find the type S seats are not supportive at all, not like the older recaros, the have always been writtin as not very good seats for support wise. i would be comparing the CTR seats to the Type S seats, not the colt lol
Good to see u had a test drive
u must love ur type s very much

i found the exhaust very different too, sound more agressive in the CTR

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Your reviews and info on the CTR has been great. You've make a lot of comparisons to the Type S (mostly which say how bad the type S is, which is fair enough cos everyone is entitled to their opinion) but I think a better car to compare it to would be the DC5R as the DC5S was aimed at a different market (by having leather seats, sunroof, etc). You say the seats are good but how are they compared to the DC5R recaros? How about it's "speed" compared to the the DC5R which has almost the same power and is lighter?

Can you confirm that the engine is a K20Z4? And does anyone know what the stock tyres are?

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Originally Posted by Hullabaloo

Can you confirm that the engine is a K20Z4? And does anyone know what the stock tyres are?

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Stock tyres are Bridgestone RE050A
225/40/18
And the engine code was written on my licensing paper
so would assume its pretty accurate

today i went vtecing and beat some holden utes haha. At the end of the day when i got out of the car i felt like pyuking :( eventhough im drivng, never felt like this before, the handling of this car shake me really well

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Originally Posted by sitta

today i went vtecing and beat some holden utes haha. At the end of the day when i got out of the car i felt like pyuking :( eventhough im drivng, never felt like this before, the handling of this car shake me really well

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what sort of holden utes?

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Originally Posted by qstoria

what sort of holden utes?

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some green Ps with fake SS badge i guess cuz SS will kill me. I think im pushing the engine too much, but people say dont do high rev until te car reach 100km. This i found to be very very hard because this engine likes to hang around 3k - 4k rpm so its very hard to keep it in the lower rpm, easier in the higher rpm.

they might not kill u. depends on many things but yes its a tall ask most of the time vs V8.

id give it more than 100 km before any sort of high revving. at least 1000. what colour did u get btw? saw a black one and they look hot. wasnt a fan of these cars at first but may come round to them

i got a black one at least my car can go as fast as those v8s with less fuel haha . If you see a black one in northern beaches thats mine

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Originally Posted by UNLS1

hmmm u guess tofu u must have a long body in some parts(legs ect) lol im 6'3" and i can get into it perfect and see the speedo without a worry

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haha i do have long legs :p
do you see the speedo just above the steering wheel?
then you see the tachometer between the top of the steering wheel and the horn?

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Originally Posted by sitta

today i went vtecing and beat some holden utes haha. At the end of the day when i got out of the car i felt like pyuking :( eventhough im drivng, never felt like this before, the handling of this car shake me really well

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Puking? Wow, must be very grippy and flat in the corners. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by sitta

some green Ps with fake SS badge i guess cuz SS will kill me. I think im pushing the engine too much, but people say dont do high rev until te car reach 100km. This i found to be very very hard because this engine likes to hang around 3k - 4k rpm so its very hard to keep it in the lower rpm, easier in the higher rpm.

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No high revs and throttle before 100km will give you a weak motor. Just make sure you warm up your engine 100% (twice the time it takes for your temperature gauge to reach the middle) and then you can give it all the redline you want.

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Originally Posted by Tofu

haha i do have long legs :p
do you see the speedo just above the steering wheel?
then you see the tachometer between the top of the steering wheel and the horn?

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You're meant to see the speedometer above the steering wheel and the tacho below.

ppl have had the same complaints about the FD's as well but fo rme its perfect. im 6' n it fits in perfectly

hi all. Question for my lil brother.

what exactly is the chassis code / designation for the new civic type R ?

thanks !

it's fn2

drove past eastwood honda today and saw a red one parked in the showroom. Looks WEAKSAUCE.....

^^ test driven one yet? ;)

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Originally Posted by aaronng

^^ test driven one yet? ;)

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not yet Aaron. soon i hope. but personally i do not like the exterior. For an R doesnt look as aggressive as it should be.

But from the specs. i wouldnt expect it to be any more exciting than a dc5r.

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Originally Posted by .::F[L]Y::.

not yet Aaron. soon i hope. but personally i do not like the exterior. For an R doesnt look as aggressive as it should be.

But from the specs. i wouldnt expect it to be any more exciting than a dc5r.

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Well, it is only a hot hatch. Not really a daily driven track car like what the old Type Rs were. And since the chassis is based on the Civic in the UK which is sold as the equivalent to our 1.8L VTi, they can't do much to make it look more aggressive other than by adding bodykits and larger wheels. :)

Just watched Best Motoring's test of the FD2 CTR and eventhough it has 165kW and weighs 1270kg (7.69 kg/kW), which is worse than the JDM DC5R (162kW, 1180kg, 7.28 kg/kW) the CTR still beat the DC5R in 0-300m by 0.22 seconds. So eventhough the FN2 is heavy (1345kg) with similar power to the AUDM DC5R, it might still turn out to be a surprising hot hatch.

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Originally Posted by aaronng

Well, it is only a hot hatch. Not really a daily driven track car like what the old Type Rs were. And since the chassis is based on the Civic in the UK which is sold as the equivalent to our 1.8L VTi, they can't do much to make it look more aggressive other than by adding bodykits and larger wheels. :)

Just watched Best Motoring's test of the FD2 CTR and eventhough it has 165kW and weighs 1270kg (7.69 kg/kW), which is worse than the JDM DC5R (162kW, 1180kg, 7.28 kg/kW) the CTR still beat the DC5R in 0-300m by 0.22 seconds. So eventhough the FN2 is heavy (1345kg) with similar power to the AUDM DC5R, it might still turn out to be a surprising hot hatch.

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props to your wealth of knowledge man. :thumbsup:

but i prefer the raw feel of a car even if its used for daily driving. the new CTR is not for everyone i suppose.

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Originally Posted by .::F[L]Y::.

not yet Aaron. soon i hope. but personally i do not like the exterior. For an R doesnt look as aggressive as it should be.

But from the specs. i wouldnt expect it to be any more exciting than a dc5r.

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I have to agree with you on the looks, my opinion is that it looks really girly from outside but the interior is another thing all together, test drive wise honda homebush said that it will be available in a few weeks as it only got released yesterday, ill be looking forward to testing it out

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Originally Posted by .::F[L]Y::.

but i prefer the raw feel of a car even if its used for daily driving. the new CTR is not for everyone i suppose.

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It's funny in the JDM CTR video, they were testing comfort. The passengers were bouncing up and down in the car when they were driving on straight flat road. The suspension is stiff. Even at the end of the review, they said that the CTR is a fast car and a real Type R, but might be difficult to sell in today's market because it is very harsh (ride quality-wise).

is the JDM FN2 a rear torsion bar too like the brit one ? (and thus the AUDM one) ?

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Originally Posted by bennjamin

is the JDM FN2 a rear torsion bar too like the brit one ? (and thus the AUDM one) ?

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JDM FD2 has front Macpherson struts and rear double wishbone.

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Originally Posted by bennjamin

is the JDM FN2 a rear torsion bar too like the brit one ? (and thus the AUDM one) ?

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there isnt a JDM FN2, at this point anyway. JDM sedan is the FD2.

so in addition to what aaronng said.
yes the FN2 has a torsion bar rear as does the AUDM one. along with macpherson strut front.

is the motor in the civic type r a new motor design?

its still a k series, been revised a bit tho from earlier k series.

1kw more and alittle less torque but earlier delivery , apparently.

yah VTEC xover is at about 5400rpm compared to 5800 for earlier verisions.

not too sure how different cam profiles are or intake/exhuats

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Originally Posted by outl@w

is the motor in the civic type r a new motor design?

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From the info I've seen, the UK CTR (FN2) has revised cams and ECU tuning, so torque is improved throughout the RPM range, but at the peak amount is still similar to the DC5R. Of course, the headers and exhaust are different because of the different chassis. But the base engine (valve size, porting, runner design) should be very similar to the EP3's engine. What makes the FN2 quicker than the EP3 is the lightweight flywheel and the shorter final drive, so you don't have to wait to hit VTEC to get good acceleration.

The JDM CTR (FD2) on the other hand gets more improvements. In addition to the lightweight flywheel and shorter final drive of 5.0x, the intake runner design is different, has NSX-style head porting, higher compression and it has a 64mm electronic throttle body. The headers are beautiful too! Have a look at it:

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4...headersop2.jpg

well well well, finally had a chance to drive the top gear king of hot hatches CTR!

the looks are striking! I like it particularly in red. interior is heaps wide with the application of magic seats...this is very practical in a "type R" car. interior is a lot nicer for the fussy ppl. climate control now standard. the price is quite good for this well equipped type R...back then my car didn't have air con standard when it was selling for the same price $39,990 rrp.

into the cockpit...the first thing u notice when u fire it up is that i can't even tell it's on or not...it's quiet. however, rev it a bit and it's engine note gets u realli fired up. it has the rumble of DC2 and the hi pitch of S2000.

low end torque is extremely strong with 3 guys on board. whoever looked at the spec sheet and said it needs to be revved to get going clearly expected too much from an NA 2.0...low and mid range acceleration is comparable to the turbo GTI - this is mostly attributed to it's close gearing and smarter i-VTEC set up catering for across the board. The car does not seem heavy although it's ard 1300kg.

while being a tad less frantic then my B18C at the 7000rpm to 8200rpm (FN 2 cut out) range, it felt WAY faster at everywhere else below top revs. this makes the car much more drivable around town n gave the car good aceleration out of corners. there isn't any flat spot around 5500rpm like B18C R.

The lack of LSD does let the inner wheel spin much during corner exits, although the VSC was turned on...LSD is the critical thing that it lacks, being a hi power front driver. if it wasn't for this reason, i would prolly think of buying it now.

steering feel and turn in is top notch. the let down is the rear suspension. The rear end is less adjustable and progressive than DC2R / DC5R models, possibly due to the switch to torsion beam / coil spring / damper set up instead of the previous double wishbone.

overall, it is a very competent car - fun to drive (not to be confused with very fast), practical, looks good, and also quite comfy.

It would be a wonderful car for me to drive to work in / do the shopping. if only it has an LSD, it would be near perfect.

test driving one next week - one thing i didnt like was the plasticy door handles - felt quite cheap and will easily break with my man-grip.
Looks great in black tho ! And the mph/kmh switch is cool :)

i thought this FN2 uses a similar chassis as a Jazz...?

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Originally Posted by bennjamin

test driving one next week - one thing i didnt like was the plasticy door handles - felt quite cheap and will easily break with my man-grip.
Looks great in black tho ! And the mph/kmh switch is cool :)

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Oooh nice nice!

Even the Euro's door handles are chrome-plated plastic!

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Originally Posted by Tofu

i thought this FN2 uses a similar chassis as a Jazz...?

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Yes it does. :)

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And the mph/kmh switch is cool :)

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switch to mph with the mrs in the car so she wont get shitty :-P.... honestly officer, i WAS doing 60....

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Originally Posted by xenfacta

switch to mph with the mrs in the car so she wont get shitty :-P.... honestly officer, i WAS doing 60....

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Lol, best idea ever. With that and the "Automatically folding side mirrors at 140mph" what else could you want.

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Lol, best idea ever. With that and the "Automatically folding side mirrors at 140mph" what else could you want.

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thats a good idea, who cares whos behind u at 140mph?

well drove a CTR today so heres my thoughts.

all comparisons made to stock and lightly modified dc5r

pros

-looks good in the metal (tho i prefer the looks of the dc5r)

-suspension feels very nice, take bumps and edges very well considering 18's and handles nicely.

-g/box feels nice, tho shifter is further over than dc5

-engine is very revvy

-steering feels good too.

-interior is nice, glovebox is massive, could fit heaps of shite in there (again prefer dc5r interior but this one is nice)


cons

-doesnt feel that fast

-too quiet, i think its quieter inside at least than stock dc5r

-seems to do little blip of throttle on upshifts which gave me the shits,
i kept thinking i wasnt lifting throttle off properly till was
mentionted it was somethign to do with fly-by-wire throttle, tried it conciously a couple of times and it still does it. very off puttin at high rpms as it sends it past redline...

-dash is nice to read when putting about, but speedo is too hard to read when giving it abit and the
little shift light thing is absolutley useless, too small too dull and in wierd spot.

-rear wing is in a farked spot, blocks rear view right where car would be.

-seats dont feel as grippy

-door handles are a bit plasticy, and fuel cap is silly.

-i still think lack of LSD is a bit of a pity, i could notice the LSD in my car pretty quickly, and if the CTR had one i think it would defo be a good thing



overall i think its a good car, more time at the wheel would obviously help and might change some of the above.

but it will definately have a wider appeal than earlier type r's we've had access too, and i rekon it will sell pretty dam well.

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-doesn't feel that fast

-too quiet, i think its quieter inside at least than stock dc5r

-seats dont feel as grippy

-door handles are a bit plasticy, and fuel cap is silly.

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have you driven the golf GTI its direct competitor in the price range?

it doesn't feel slow to me. felt faster than the golf GTI but the golf had more pull down low.

The seats are worse in the golf

I think theres a fair bit of road noise due to the 18" wheels. still noisy inside the cabin when you hit mad vtec y0.

i agree with you on the fuel cap. i don't know wtf they were thinking with that its the biggest piece of plastic rubbish.

theres better vision out of the rear than the gen 2 CRX which had a similar setup.

no i havent driven the GTi, that is all in comparison to my dc5r.

from what i had read about the CTR it was supposed to have more low down torque than other k20's but didnt feel that way to me.

might have to head to VW dealer and take a GTi for a spin i think

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no i havent driven the GTi, that is all in comparison to my dc5r.

from what i had read about the CTR it was supposed to have more low down torque than other k20's but didnt feel that way to me.

might have to head to VW dealer and take a GTi for a spin i think

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Don't get me wrong the golf is nice but is just so dam boring compared to the CTR.
plus you need to upgrade to leather purely because the standard cloth trim is just awful.

Honda claim that the CTR doesn't need an LSD due to the new traction control system. I think they are seriously wrong and torsion bar rear end for extra boot space :rolleyes:

i think my 3 biggest complaints would be

-No LSD

-torsion bar rear end

-horrible cheep feeling plastic fuel cover

I found the CTR quite impressive, would like a longer test drive to have a true appreciation.
-Driving position is great, no reach for the gear knob
-Vision of dials was fantastic, for me at 6ft
-The seats I found really comfortable
-The interior style I'm quite a fan of
-The rear seats have a huge amount of room
-The engine seems even more happy to rev than the DC5R
-Nothing like hearing a car at 8,000RPM
-The vision out the back window was reasonable, better than CRX genII
-The accessories are reasonable compared to the price of competitors.

Not a fan of.
-The door handles they feel cheap
-The fuel cap looks cheap
-No LSD, they say traction control will sort that!!LOL

The dealer would not negotiate on price! Would only allow short test drives, which is poor when your trying to decide on a purchase.

Compared to the Golf GTI
Better
-Driving feel
-The engine feels like more fun, GTI I find a little boring!
-The seats
-Interior style
-Gear box
Worse
-Plastic handles, fuel cap
-Low down torque

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Don't get me wrong the golf is nice but is just so dam boring compared to the CTR.
plus you need to upgrade to leather purely because the standard cloth trim is just awful.

Honda claim that the CTR doesn't need an LSD due to the new traction control system. I think they are seriously wrong and torsion bar rear end for extra boot space :rolleyes:

i think my 3 biggest complaints would be

-No LSD

-torsion bar rear end

-horrible cheep feeling plastic fuel cover

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I have to agree with CTR coupe.
Its these little things that have let the CTR down slightly, but I think they have still delivered a better car than the others.
No LSD is a step back wards- its what made the DC2R a fantastic car
Torsion bar rear end seem like all the rage- I'm yet to be convinced.
Those cheap plastic parts lack a finish quality, some of the euro hatches have!

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Originally Posted by matt

no i havent driven the GTi, that is all in comparison to my dc5r.

from what i had read about the CTR it was supposed to have more low down torque than other k20's but didnt feel that way to me.

might have to head to VW dealer and take a GTi for a spin i think

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Remember that the CTR is meant to be much heavier than your DC5R. So any gains in low RPM would probably be negated by the extra weight.

sounds like it'd rev like a motorbike. i think the new type r's k series motor is probably better than the old ones, but you wont know it until you remove the exhaust restrictions. the car does comply with LEVII emission restrictions, doesnt it? thats enough to create a 10% drop in power in some cars. its kinda like rocket science, the faster the gases go out, the faster the rocket moves (in this case the type r). wonder if a dealer would kill me if i drag launched it on a test drive...

its a nice car but if i bought one, i dont think id modify it.

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Originally Posted by aaronng

Remember that the CTR is meant to be much heavier than your DC5R. So any gains in low RPM would probably be negated by the extra weight.

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oh yah i realise that, but these statements seemed to be in comparison to dc5r

thats probably because the civic type r pops up when the dc5r has been axed

Took one out for a drive today (i know took me a few weeks)
Straightline speed my B18c EG would destroy it!!!.
But it handless like a dream!!!
Im prob gona get one with GF later on..
But gona keep EG:)

Not sure what ppl who say "looks better in real life" were on but it looked worse for me seeing a silver one at parra.

Seat position and seats just didn't work together in tradition of hondas.

not even worth wasting your time to go and tyre kick it.

Anyone from the dealership here? i cant seem to find the front headlight size low and high beam, im planning to get hid but i dont know what size to get

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Anyone from the dealership here? i cant seem to find the front headlight size low and high beam, im planning to get hid but i dont know what size to get

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Have you consulted your owners manual yet?
Surely the manual will tell you such information.

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Originally Posted by NeoNode

Have you consulted your owners manual yet?
Surely the manual will tell you such information.

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Cant find it. Its not very useful, its full of general stuff not detailed

just for the information of everyone, maybe you have heard of the third gear problem in thie car and it does exist. Im having this problem maybe 1-2 times a day and its very very annoying. The third gear either grinds and u hav eto press the clutch again and stick the third gear all the way through or the third gear sometimes pop back out. so annoyin@ but ill see how long i can live with it

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Cant find it. Its not very useful, its full of general stuff not detailed

just for the information of everyone, maybe you have heard of the third gear problem in thie car and it does exist. Im having this problem maybe 1-2 times a day and its very very annoying. The third gear either grinds and u hav eto press the clutch again and stick the third gear all the way through or the third gear sometimes pop back out. so annoyin@ but ill see how long i can live with it

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Have you questioned your dealer about the problem? I asked the question to the ''experts'' on the Honda Aus Forum on Thursday night and received no reply.... Just hoping my car doesn't have the same problem, when it finally gets here that is....

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Originally Posted by sitta

Cant find it. Its not very useful, its full of general stuff not detailed

just for the information of everyone, maybe you have heard of the third gear problem in thie car and it does exist. Im having this problem maybe 1-2 times a day and its very very annoying. The third gear either grinds and u hav eto press the clutch again and stick the third gear all the way through or the third gear sometimes pop back out. so annoyin@ but ill see how long i can live with it

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It's usually in the manual right at the back with the bulb power ratings. Otherwise, ask civictyper.co.uk

According to the UK type R forums, Honda has yet to release any fix for the 3rd gear problem,although I've read that the problem on some cars eventually disappeared.

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According to the UK type R forums, Honda has yet to release any fix for the 3rd gear problem,although I've read that the problem on some cars eventually disappeared.

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True that they have not yet released a fix, but Honda UK have at least admitted that there is a problem...

well if the gear box comes from japan whos fault is it, swindons or japans?

I think their trying to give the ave Joe the real Honda F1 racing experience.

1 Championship point is better than nothing.

http://www.formula1.com/results/team/

"Power of Dreams"

wats that got to do with the CTR?

saw a red one yesterday in the city.... does look better in real life but still doesnt do much for me.... still keen to drive one tho, mite change my opinion...

I love the car, but the fact they dont have double wishbone all round, Brembo's and not even a ****en LSD, I dont think this should be a Type R.

I think Honda forgot what Type R is after they released the NSX-R and DC2R.

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Originally Posted by Moya

I love the car, but the fact they dont have double wishbone all round, Brembo's and not even a ****en LSD, I dont think this should be a Type R.

I think Honda forgot what Type R is after they released the NSX-R and DC2R.

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This CTR was designed by Honda UK. So it's what the guys in the UK think is a Type R. :)

Type LS.

once again why do people think this car should have brembos???
its got 147kws ffs! have any of u actually drivin it and hit the brakes hard? its bloody fantastic!

I think the show ponies want look at me i got brembos!

Maybe if it had at least 250kw then u might need the stopping power!
the accord V6 has 177kws....its heavyer why doesnt it get brembos??
seen the brakes on the legend????
Fantastic but no brembos.

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Originally Posted by UNLS1

once again why do people think this car should have brembos???
its got 147kws ffs! have any of u actually drivin it and hit the brakes hard? its bloody fantastic!

I think the show ponies want look at me i got brembos!

Maybe if it had at least 250kw then u might need the stopping power!
the accord V6 has 177kws....its heavyer why doesnt it get brembos??
seen the brakes on the legend????
Fantastic but no brembos.

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Why do you think it shouldn't have bremos??!
Perhaps you care to explain why the jap CTR and DC5R both have brembos and an LSD.

Anyway, aside from an H badge, what in the flying fark do Legends and Accords have to do with a type-r civic???

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Originally Posted by ginganggooly

Why do you think it shouldn't have bremos??!
Perhaps you care to explain why the jap CTR and DC5R both have brembos and an LSD.

Anyway, aside from an H badge, what in the flying fark do Legends and Accords have to do with a type-r civic???

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what im saying is WHY does the CTR need brembos?? have u drivin it yet and had a go at the brakes??? Its not a massive power heavy car why does it need brembos????

ITs not a jap car its from UK its not the end of the world coz it doesnt have brembos. 147kws dont need brembos.

If that's your logic, we can then probably starting arguing road cars don't need X amount of power and sports cars and supercars are redundant and unnecessary as there is no way we can legally use all the power on the road.

Hi guys has anyone actually driven the new ctr... im interested to see how it actually handles... how hard can you take corners in it etc? cause apparently you cant change the suspension in it ... you cant access the front suspension top mounts as its covered up? i had a look inside the engine bay ... and theres no way of getting to them??

I don't quite follow your logic...

My bike makes only 74kw ATW, but its got monoblock brembos. LOL.

Frankly, there are alot of OEM brakes out there that are more than sufficient for most purposes but if I'm paying >40K for a hatchback, I'd expect some bling factor and Brembos are just synonymous to a performance car.

and a performance FWD without an LSD? Just what were they thinking?

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Originally Posted by UNLS1

once again why do people think this car should have brembos???
its got 147kws ffs! have any of u actually drivin it and hit the brakes hard? its bloody fantastic!
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