** LAMS / Learners Bike Discussion **

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Originally Posted by Twincam16

Well thats a good reply but Ill rephrase it...

2 strokes are less reliable...

Because of this they do have efficiency problems... the reason they are used is because they are lighter (power:weight)... and cheaper to make... but you wont find a car with a 2 stroke engine because its not as reliable or efficient...

There is also the fact that the engine is burning oil at a higher rate than a 4 stroke so its going to need a topup of oil more frequently than the 4 will... so its less efficient

A 2 stroke wont last as long, so its less efficient...
More expensive maintaining it as well... costs more to run

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Less reliable? I'd stop now if I were you.
From your talk I can tell you have never owned a 2 stroke.

CR500 2 stroke = most reliable bike ever built.

2 strokes make more power per capacity than 4 strokes.
Power efficiency goes to the 2 stroke.

Parts are way cheaper. I had to rebuild the top end on my 4 banger, cost over $2,500 for parts from USA. Costs 1/5 of that for a cylinder and piston on my 2 stroke. Bikes are cheaper to buy for starters too. Cost efficiency also goes to the 2 stroke.

Maintenance is also a win for the 2 stroke. I could change a piston out in 10 minutes on my 2 banger. Same job takes 1/2 a day on my 4 stroke. Cams FTL.

Down side is mixing fuel, and using more fuel. Both problems are solved on EFI 2 strokes. Pity only available on outboards at the moment. Replacing rings is also more frequent on small 2 strokes, but my 500 2 stroke needs them replaced like every 2 years, just like my 4 stroke.

As for no 2 strokes in cars? There has been quite a few. Even trucks run 2 stroke diesels. ;)

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Originally Posted by Type R Positive

Less reliable? I'd stop now if I were you.
From your talk I can tell you have never owned a 2 stroke.

CR500 2 stroke = most reliable bike ever built.

2 strokes make more power per capacity than 4 strokes.
Power efficiency goes to the 2 stroke.

Parts are way cheaper. I had to rebuild the top end on my 4 banger, cost over $2,500 for parts from USA. Costs 1/5 of that for a cylinder and piston on my 2 stroke. Bikes are cheaper to buy for starters too. Cost efficiency also goes to the 2 stroke.

Maintenance is also a win for the 2 stroke. I could change a piston out in 10 minutes on my 2 banger. Same job takes 1/2 a day on my 4 stroke. Cams FTL.

Down side is mixing fuel, and using more fuel. Both problems are solved on EFI 2 strokes. Pity only available on outboards at the moment. Replacing rings is also more frequent on small 2 strokes, but my 500 2 stroke needs them replaced like every 2 years, just like my 4 stroke.

As for no 2 strokes in cars? There has been quite a few. Even trucks run 2 stroke diesels. ;)

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Listen, I didnt post it up to have an argument with anyone on here... I gave some info to a guy who asked about a few different models of bikes and peoples opinions on them, that is my opinion, if you have a different opinion, post it up dont have a crack at me...

I never said anything about 2 strokes being used in Trucks or Deisels

And comparing the cost of a 4 stroke parts to 2 stroke parts is ironic... Fair enough 2 strokes are usually a lot cheaper to replace, but this is because they are cheaper to make, and use a lot less parts. But lets not forget you are going to have to replace them more often though, and accomodate for labour and you've got yourself more than enough to accomodate the saving you would have made

I cant think of many higher (more than 250cc) capacity superbikes that would use a two stroke apart from maybe those Aprilia RS's... And I assume with FACTS the reason for this is because they are unreliable or less efficient (in comparison to a 4 stroke)...

Explain me this... If a two stroke is as reliable as a 4 stroke as you say... and seeing that they are 1- cheaper to manufacture, and 2- produce power for less cubes and retaining a higher P:W ratio, then why are the most leading bike manufacturers constantly using 4 stroke motors in their top of the line bikes? let alone the whole range apart from the <250cc'ers

Answer... because they are not as efficient...

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Originally Posted by Twincam16

Explain me this... If a two stroke is as reliable as a 4 stroke as you say... and seeing that they are 1- cheaper to manufacture, and 2- produce power for less cubes and retaining a higher P:W ratio, then why are the most leading bike manufacturers constantly using 4 stroke motors in their top of the line bikes? let alone the whole range apart from the <250cc'ers

Answer... because they are not as efficient...

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Bullshit again!

The reason they don't make them is because of race rules.
2 strokes are not allowed in Moto GP. Just like in AMA pro MX and SX.

You have to be more specific when talking about efficiency.
They are less fuel efficient, not less efficient. ;)

It's funny how a clean sweep of 2 strokes from 1996 still hold the Eastern Creek lap records....

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Originally Posted by Type R Positive

Bullshit again!

The reason they don't make them is because of race rules.
2 strokes are not allowed in Moto GP. Just like in AMA pro MX and SX.

You have to be more specific when talking about efficiency.
They are less fuel efficient, not less efficient. ;)

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Do you have sand in your vagina?

If something is less efficient, its less efficient... I didnt answer the guy that asked me whether trucks used diesel, the rules of MotoGP or if the earth spins on a 13 degree axis.

I simply said that 2 strokes (more precisely a 20 year old 2 stroke - the NSR150) is not a good option to go for due to its old age, and its lack of EFFICIENCY... theres about another 50 points why he SHOULDNT get an NSR150 but thats one of the main ones

Better yet... take your pointless one sided argument to Boostcruising

FFS! Efficiency is a measure of many many things.
Fuel is just one of them.

You are talking shit, never owned a 2 banger yet think you know everything about them. STFU and GTFO. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Type R Positive

FFS! Efficiency is a measure of many many things.
Fuel is just one of them.

You are talking shit, never owned a 2 banger yet think you know everything about them. STFU and GTFO. :thumbsup:

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Did you not read my last post? Im still confused to what your whole point is on this useless shit you are posting... Are you honestly wasting your breath arguing about this fkn pointless shit because I generally said "Efficient" instead of "Not FUEL efficient"

Are you all up there in the head?

Just to clear it up for you...

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Definitions of efficient on the Web:

being effective without wasting time or effort or expense; "an efficient production manager"; "efficient engines save gas"

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Does this help you?

can both of you stick ur argument in PM

we dont need to see this in the "best bike to learn on thread"

yeh I agree... have requested deleted posts - its not helpful here at all

end of the day you want it to be a temporary 3 months bike, i still reckon the cbr250rr is the best buy, cause you would never lose that much after getting your P's. it a common bike that everyone generally wants as a first bike, so you be able to find one and sell one within the same time.

it wont be a temporary bike for long

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Originally Posted by lo0se3r

it wont be a temporary bike for long

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huh why not...

new laws buddy

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108819

just noted your from melbourne lol

the new law applies to nsw

oh didnt know. :) all good

good bang for buck bikes. i had a ninja 250. sold it for a profit after 3 months. they keep their value

Will be hard to do that in future though, more and more learners, and ninja 250r was last years top selling bike in Aus...

Gonna be a flood of them on the used market soon

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Originally Posted by Twincam16

Will be hard to do that in future though, more and more learners, and ninja 250r was last years top selling bike in Aus...

Gonna be a flood of them on the used market soon

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3rd actually.

Ahh you always have to proove a point...

Since when has a postie or a Pee-Wee 50 been typical road bikes... let alone learner bike?

250r still last years biggest selling road bike. And suprisingly enough they are ALL ridden by learners... *shock*

The Honda CBR 125

Honda Bros NT400
learner legal 400cc
then i did my test on a CB250 and man i was it crap to ride.
i really didnt feel safe on those skinny wheels
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109594

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Originally Posted by Twincam16

Ahh you always have to proove a point...

Since when has a postie or a Pee-Wee 50 been typical road bikes... let alone learner bike?

250r still last years biggest selling road bike. And suprisingly enough they are ALL ridden by learners... *shock*

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No they arent. I have seen plenty beeing ridden by ppl on fulls. And there no even 2 yrs old.

Means eith P platers bought them or ppl on their fulls

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Originally Posted by aimre

No they arent. I have seen plenty beeing ridden by ppl on fulls. And there no even 2 yrs old.

Means eith P platers bought them or ppl on their fulls

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I dont get wat u said? As P-platers are also under the LAMS scheme...

Why would somebody be dumb enough to buy one on their fulls, its just wasting money...

This bike is specifically targeted at the novice rider - even Kawasaki will tell you that

04 Suzuki GSXR600.

Taught me how to handle a PHAT bike w/o dropping it, brake, control the throttle & control myself.

lol best advise there roni.

I had the opportunity to ride the new ninja 250R, its too expensive for what it is (mainly because it looks appealing to most new riders). CBR250 is a great bike but it is an old relic :p

I still think that the VTR250 is the best learners bike out there today.
But, since when riding a motorbike is all about being sensible.. otherwise we all be riding scooters. I think I'm right in saying that buying a bike is all up to each individual taste in the end. And when some people argue that any particular bike is better than the other, I wouldn't blame them.. In a way, they all right..

I started with a VTR250 and can't put any fault on it... but I think I got everything out of that bike in a few months time. Now I ride an Aprilia RS125 and this is like a steep learning curve to me.. but I like it!!! And with the new law coming, I think the best bike for any new riders is the one that they wont mind spending some time learning on.

ps. I sold my VTR for a profit and bought the RS for a lot cheaper.. 2 strokes FTW !!!

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Originally Posted by D4rk4n63l

I had the opportunity to ride the new ninja 250R, its too expensive for what it is (mainly because it looks appealing to most new riders). CBR250 is a great bike but it is an old relic :p

I still think that the VTR250 is the best learners bike out there today.
But, since when riding a motorbike is all about being sensible.. otherwise we all be riding scooters. I think I'm right in saying that buying a bike is all up to each individual taste in the end. And when some people argue that any particular bike is better than the other, I wouldn't blame them.. In a way, they all right..

I started with a VTR250 and can't put any fault on it... but I think I got everything out of that bike in a few months time. Now I ride an Aprilia RS125 and this is like a steep learning curve to me.. but I like it!!! And with the new law coming, I think the best bike for any new riders is the one that they wont mind spending some time learning on.

ps. I sold my VTR for a profit and bought the RS for a lot cheaper.. 2 strokes FTW !!!

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+1 top advice :thumbsup:

Try a few bikes out before you commit to one

i m thinking about the hyosung 250/250r...mostlikely 250r..i mean be honest..everyone only plan to ride it for a few months then sell it for their dream bike...so i m thinking a cheap newish bike.not too fast and its similar to a sports bike style so i can get use to it and sell it a few months later and hopefully wont lose too much money and easier to pass it onto the nxt L as it'll be cheap and newer

i m also thinking the prices of it may drop alot in a few months so i m better of getting the 250 as its almost 1k cheaper ( i m talking about 2nd hand here) however may be harder to get ride of as it obviously doesnt look as appealing...i mean either way L's look gay riding on any bikes...but i hope to get one that'll be easier to sell after a few months...

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hyosung has crap resale value.

get 250 2nd hand for cheap and resale it. u wont lost much. i made a profit actually

my mate just got a kawasaki ninja in black for 8k

btw hyosung sux in terms of power and build quality. dropped my 250 once , got it bak up in one piece no problems. reliable too. not a single problem since i had it.

i thought about the zx2r..but again its a bit old...

i dun care about power for the first few months really...not going to take it that hard..dun wanna be in a wheelchair again for another 6 months LOL...

friends at work told me to get the zx2r..i know its an excellent bike..i mean i thought about getting just a shtty road bike..lol...i know i'll look stupid in it...but its only for a few months...o well..see how it goes...

Ive ridden dirt bikes since I was 10. Im 23 now and just got my RE licence.

Just bought a WR250X. Id recomend that for anyone learning or looking for a commuter.

http://content.wicms.com/shared/imag...0X_DPBSE_1.jpg

cbr250rr honda is da bomb =P

I need some advice and yes I've gone through all 30 pages. I'm contemplating going for my bike license in the next couple of weeks as I've always wanted to ride a bike and not be a passenger. I work 9-5 mon to fri in the city and travel about 28km to get to work. Im a honda fan and would luv to stick to them i.e getting a CBR125R or a big bigger but not sure. I basically want to get a decent ride that has good handling and a bit of power that would last me a while (not looking to upgrade). I'm bout 5 ft 3 so i want to be able to stand when stationary and im not talking about being on my tippy toes lol any suggestions would be much appreciated.

dont get a cbr125 - its a 1cyl. 4 stroke with like 9 hp. It is SLOW and expensive.

IMO get a used cbr250 R (single R) cheap , decent power and good handling for a small bike. Also same thing as a RR with a similar look , and lacks the expanded price.

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Originally Posted by bennjamin

dont get a cbr125 - its a 1cyl. 4 stroke with like 9 hp. It is SLOW and expensive.

IMO get a used cbr250 R (single R) cheap , decent power and good handling for a small bike. Also same thing as a RR with a similar look , and lacks the expanded price.

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cheers for that.
yes i was thinking about the cbr250 R and i know they have a good resale value if i decide to sell it after a few years. I guess i just have to really look around for a good one as i do know alot of young ppl go for either one.but having said that i don't want one that hasn't been looked after.

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Originally Posted by me5t1za

cheers for that.
yes i was thinking about the cbr250 R and i know they have a good resale value if i decide to sell it after a few years. I guess i just have to really look around for a good one as i do know alot of young ppl go for either one.but having said that i don't want one that hasn't been looked after.

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don't forget that cbr250's can be a maximum of 21 to a minimum of 13 years old. shit starts to fail with age. IMO a cbr125r is a more reliable bike. plus it teaches you to carry speed into the corner.

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Originally Posted by Inf3ct0R

don't forget that cbr250's can be a maximum of 21 to a minimum of 13 years old. shit starts to fail with age. IMO a cbr125r is a more reliable bike. plus it teaches you to carry speed into the corner.

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Yer I've taken that into consideration as well. Although it's in my price range, i cant justify spending 5g's on a bike that old, unless it's been looked after. but even then, it's like buying an old car. I do like the KAWASAKI ZX-2R but there's not many in adelaide. I don't wanna have to go interstate as i like to check it out in person etc. I also will be keeping my civic as well so don't wanna spend too much.

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Originally Posted by me5t1za

Yer I've taken that into consideration as well. Although it's in my price range, i cant justify spending 5g's on a bike that old, unless it's been looked after. but even then, it's like buying an old car. I do like the KAWASAKI ZX-2R but there's not many in adelaide. I don't wanna have to go interstate as i like to check it out in person etc. I also will be keeping my civic as well so don't wanna spend too much.

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If I was to do it all again, I would buy a naked bike, dropping it isn't as painful as a faired bike. working on it would be a breeze as well. high performance 4 stroke 250's are slow anyway. and it still takes forever to get to 180kph, so why bother try getting there in the first place? wait out the 15-39 months for your full licence and be prepared to shit yourself when you hop on a *real* bike. :D:angel:

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Originally Posted by Inf3ct0R

If I was to do it all again, I would buy a naked bike, dropping it isn't as painful as a faired bike. working on it would be a breeze as well. high performance 4 stroke 250's are slow anyway. and it still takes forever to get to 180kph, so why bother try getting there in the first place? wait out the 15-39 months for your full licence and be prepared to shit yourself when you hop on a *real* bike. :D:angel:

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I'm not a fan of naked bikes and like i said i'm looking for a ride that would last me a while. I don't plan on upgrading if i get my full licence as my main ride would still be my civic. Plus i'm not a hoon and wouldn't want to get to 180kph anyway. My main focus wouldn't be on power, i just want like a decent daily that has a bit of power, so if needed, i can get out of a situation i.e like that guy on one of the previous pages who was cut off by a truck.

Is there a specific reason your against nakeds? is it the head light or just the whole look?

At your height the best suggestion I can make is to go and sit on some bikes. Normally I'd recommend one of the bigger lams bikes (does SA have lams yet?) but the size of a 250 probably isn't going to bother you and I'm assuming you way next to nothing?

How mechanically minded are you? Are you planning on commuting on it or riding purely for fun? An NSR150 is a fair bit newer than the CBR250s and its light with a fairly low seat height and being 2 stroke it makes ok power. However it does need alot more maintance than a 4 stroke and it doesn't like sitting at constant revs or sitting in traffic.

Dunno if someone has already mentioned this but i suggest against the CBR250RR's. Their turning circle is so bad apparently it can be detrimental to even passing the P's test because you won't fit between the cones!

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Originally Posted by rob1000

Dunno if someone has already mentioned this but i suggest against the CBR250RR's. Their turning circle is so bad apparently it can be detrimental to even passing the P's test because you won't fit between the cones!

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I did my P's on an RVF which has an even smaller turning circle than the CBR's and didnt touch the line.

If you know how to ride and practice enough, you can do that turning circle on any bike.

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Originally Posted by rob1000

Dunno if someone has already mentioned this but i suggest against the CBR250RR's. Their turning circle is so bad apparently it can be detrimental to even passing the P's test because you won't fit between the cones!

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as a cb250r owner , i totally disagree with your post. The turning circle , is the same if not similar to most other bikes of this size i have ridden - what you say - is a myth produced by a failed learner or two.

I am very agile on my cbr and have done the test with no issue. Its the RIDER not the bike.

fine then, i stand corrected ;) Just something i remember the guy saying when i did the test

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Originally Posted by rob1000

fine then, i stand corrected ;) Just something i remember the guy saying when i did the test

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i too , stated a similar thing "...oh i heard this bike is harder to turn etc etc" to which the testing officer said "what a load of BS."

I proved i passed with flying colours - lots of back brake and clutch riding and you will be smooth and wont touch the ground.

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Originally Posted by gumbs

Is there a specific reason your against nakeds? is it the head light or just the whole look?

At your height the best suggestion I can make is to go and sit on some bikes. Normally I'd recommend one of the bigger lams bikes (does SA have lams yet?) but the size of a 250 probably isn't going to bother you and I'm assuming you way next to nothing?

How mechanically minded are you? Are you planning on commuting on it or riding purely for fun? An NSR150 is a fair bit newer than the CBR250s and its light with a fairly low seat height and being 2 stroke it makes ok power. However it does need alot more maintance than a 4 stroke and it doesn't like sitting at constant revs or sitting in traffic.

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It would probably be the look as it's not my style. like i said i plan to keep the bike for a while so i want to invest in both looks and style. I'll mainly be using it for commuting with maybe a few cruises in there but nothing ridiculous. I would be using it for work and therefore would be stuck in traffic etc so while an NSR150 is in my budget, it doesn't fit the other requirements. Plus I've only seen one listed in SA.


And yes we do have lams:


http://www.sa.gov.au/subject/Transpo...ed+motorcycles

Fair enough if your commuting on it a 2 stroke is a bad idea. For full fairing decent looking 250s you have the
CBR250 R and RR
ZXR250 (sometimes called the ZX2R)
FZR250
ZZR250
250R (ninja the new one)
GPX250, a bit fugly though.

They're the common ones and in reality anyone of them will do the job if you get a decent condition one. Only the ZZR,GPX and 250R have been made since 2000. If you can budget $4000 and take someone looking with you, you won't have a problem finding a good well maintained example. You can probably find one for 3k.

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Originally Posted by gumbs

Fair enough if your commuting on it a 2 stroke is a bad idea. For full fairing decent looking 250s you have the
CBR250 R and RR
ZXR250 (sometimes called the ZX2R)
FZR250
ZZR250
250R (ninja the new one)
GPX250, a bit fugly though.

They're the common ones and in reality anyone of them will do the job if you get a decent condition one. Only the ZZR,GPX and 250R have been made since 2000. If you can budget $4000 and take someone looking with you, you won't have a problem finding a good well maintained example. You can probably find one for 3k.

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Cheers for that gumbs, some of the ones you've listed like the ZZR250 and the ZXR250, i've been looking into but just needed the conformation that they were ok for commuting etc. Will post when i get my ride :)

I had and recommend an XR250R Honda road/trail bike. Fun to learn on and piss easy to do the P's test on.

I would like to suggest not using a cruiser for your test heheheeh.... the long wheelbase and bad turning circle is definitely not a good bike for taking your test LOL~

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Originally Posted by me5t1za

Cheers for that gumbs, some of the ones you've listed like the ZZR250 and the ZXR250, i've been looking into but just needed the conformation that they were ok for commuting etc. Will post when i get my ride :)

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work mate been into bikes for years kept telling me i'd never go wrong with the zx2r

so i m kinda interested in getting one too but i m leaning towards something newer and easier to sell later

anyway point is..if u r planning on keeping the bike and not upgrade..zx2r would be good...and now they've got some new fairings out to change the look of it and it'll look even better the new models...

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Originally Posted by EuroAccord13

I would like to suggest not using a cruiser for your test heheheeh.... the long wheelbase and bad turning circle is definitely not a good bike for taking your test LOL~

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i said that to u before the test, loool!!!!!

Well I ended up getting a LAMS 2010 Hyosung EFI GT650R... had it for a little while now... about 4,000km on it mainly commuting and a few mt nebo/glorious runs..

If you can afford it then go for it... good bike so far. I know most ppl know about their bad rep.. but bad rep hangs around for a while. But meh, thats what 2 years warranty is for.

Don't buy if:
- you want everyone to love your bike (lotsa h4terz on the hyo)
- want good resale
- want a slow-ass 250 or a bike that looks like a push bike :P

http://a4.vox.com/6a00fad697b9e80004...da6c860f-500pi

I bought it because it has good power for a learner 40KW... and can be de-resticted when I'm off my RE license. Plus I know I won't be upgrading.. that is unless I write this bike off. For 9k rideaway win!

Definitely looks nice man. I especially like how the exhaust looks

hay the new paint scheme for it looks nice, white sets it off

yeh the 650 and the 250 is almost exactly the same exterior you can tell the difference between them by the 650 having a black can

Anymore pics?

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Anymore pics?

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Thanks for the comments guys. Yeah i like the stock exhaust too.. went to debaffle it... turned out it had a cat in it :(.

http://a6.vox.com/6a00fad697b9e80004...d446860e-500pi

Woow i like the colour, too bad there pretty big for me :(

As long as you can get your feet flat on the ground don't let the weight intimidate you. Once its moving you'll realise its quite flickable and doesn't feel so heavy.

hey all, looking to purchase a bike.. done some research into what i want, well not really, just cosmetics haha..

but i just booked my stay upright course to be done in the next few weeks and will probably need a bike to ride.

im not really looking for something more or less then a 600..
i can stand perfectly fine with my legs' spread like so, /|\ over a 600.

kinda narrowed my wish list to

nothing less then an '08 model
Suzuki GSXR600
Yamaha YZF-R6
Daytona 675 (yeah i know its more then a 600 but is a sexy bike)


just curious into which one people would recommend as a first timer... in terms of 600's.. and i dont want a cbr or a ninja sorry.

p.s. dont waste your time or breathe if your going to write negatives which wont help me at all..

also any other bike websites which might help me out? :)

thanks in advance.

i rode the gixxer, cbr and r6 together and i gotta say for daily cbr is actually quiet comfortable. but in the end i still got the r6 cos it looks hella more sexy than anything out there. and isnt that what your looking for cosmetics ? lol

anyways im selling my r6, perfect time for summer!!

got a dedicated gallery pic here if interested

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=113488

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Originally Posted by ekdez

hey all, looking to purchase a bike.. done some research into what i want, well not really, just cosmetics haha..

but i just booked my stay upright course to be done in the next few weeks and will probably need a bike to ride.

im not really looking for something more or less then a 600..
i can stand perfectly fine with my legs' spread like so, /|\ over a 600.

kinda narrowed my wish list to

nothing less then an '08 model
Suzuki GSXR600
Yamaha YZF-R6
Daytona 675 (yeah i know its more then a 600 but is a sexy bike)


just curious into which one people would recommend as a first timer... in terms of 600's.. and i dont want a cbr or a ninja sorry.

p.s. dont waste your time or breathe if your going to write negatives which wont help me at all..

also any other bike websites which might help me out? :)

thanks in advance.

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I guess youre over 30 and you are going to get a 600 and pass your test before you ride it?

Buy the one which you feel most comfortable on. There's only a bees dick of difference between the 600s and normally I'd suggest test riding each and finding which one is set up closest to what you like and which one has the best power band in your opinion.

But it seems you haven't ridden anything yet so your not going to be able to tell the difference between them other than seating position and engine note. If you try test riding them your just going to be thinking holy **** I'm going to die the whole time rather then picking the subtle differences between the bikes.

Personally I'd be going for the R6 as they're better built then the gixxer and the 675 has a very aggressive riding possesion. But then again it isn't really going to much difference to you because you'll end up loving which ever you get, provided it doesn't kill you.

For the record buying a 600cc super sport for a first bike is a REALLY BAD IDEA. But I'm not your mum so go for your life.

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Originally Posted by gumbs

Personally I'd be going for the R6 as they're better built then the gixxer and the 675 has a very aggressive riding possesion. But then again it isn't really going to much difference to you because you'll end up loving which ever you get, provided it doesn't kill you.

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K5 and current GSXR build quality is tops! And the R6 has the most aggressive riding position ive ever felt. It scared me touching the brakes. GSXR has a more relaxed position and better for tall guys like me as your arse isnt 10ft in the air. Never been on a 675 though, but ive heard they are well set up for daily riding. Look a bit dated now though

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Originally Posted by gumbs

For the record buying a 600cc super sport for a first bike is a REALLY BAD IDEA. But I'm not your mum so go for your life.

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+1. Its a bad idea, you wont have insurance

ahh.. have a few questions regarding driving a bike here in Australia. i'm in Melb and have a Malaysian car driving license that i use here if that makes any difference.

1. if i buy a bike from A, how do i bring it home since i do not have a bike license?
2. where do you guys park the bike say if in CBD ?
3. I can practice riding at home myself and go for the test yeah?
4. other than a helmet, gloves/jackets etc are not required by law?

was thinking of just getting a scooter for the fun during summer but seems that i cant get a more kick-ass one for not much more lol.

1. you will need a trailer or ute

2. most places are quite relaxed when it comes to parking the bike, though im not sure about all the particulars like on what side of the pavement and how you can leave the bike, or for how long

3. practise at home? im assuming u have previous experience? or u want to buy a 5k bike and try to go in circles in your back yard?

if u have little or no previous experience, go and get your learners first, ur gona need it

they teach u everything from scratch, costs around $300, i recommend HART

then you can ride the bike u buy home or any where else for up to 15 months, then u must apply for ur license

4. Sure only helmet is required, thats because its one of those old laws that tries to rely on peoples common sense rather than having to legislate for every known possibility

if u go riding without all the proper gear, u are being unbelievably stupid, lol

or else get someone who have a license to ride it home for you.
in vic, it is legal to park on foot path and pretty much any where that do not obstruct anyone or thing
u can practice at home but as krogoth said its better to go for the test..its 260 for 2 day course during weekdays...i m doing it with a friend on coming monday...*fingers crossed*
by law u only need helmet...but after an accident i had on a pocket bike...i m going to be wearing jacket, pants and gloves or i'll just drive my car...

thanks for clearing up guys, rules are a little different here from where i came from. was a little confused of the whole LAMS thing.

so procedure goes like get learners -> buy bike -> buy helmet etc -> drive around for 15months -> get full license.

another questions, are there bikes that does not need license? scooter / moped or the like? this is because i might be leaving au in 2 years time and wana get something cheappp so depreciation dont bite me as hard.

all bikes needs a license in aus.

prcedure should be..( this is if u r serious...)

buy helmet (maybe gloves, jacket and pants as well) > learners > bike > 3months later Ps > 12 months after that fulls

when u go for Ls u'll need to wear helmet and gloves to learn..they do provide u with them, but i never like to wear someone else's sweaty gloves/helmet..so u mite as well get the gears now...

to drive anything on the road pretty much, u must have your learners, when u go to a certified company that offers you a 2 day course to learn everything from scratch, u will be allowed to choose to learn on a scooter or a proper bike

the learner permit covers both motorcycles

if u have previous experience riding and believe u are good enough, a 4 hour course and learner test is available, they provide all equipment for both the 1 and 2 day course

15 months is the maximum amount of time you can hold a learner permit before it expires

but u can get ur license much before then

sounds a bit confusing, but if u get ur learners, then you have to hold them without any problems for a minimum of 3months before u are allowed to go for ur license test

but not every1 can afford to buy a bike as soon as they get their Ls, and not every1 feels confident enough after 3 months to go and apply for their license

Just be wary as the rules for learners are different in each state and the rules have just changed recently in most states.

If you aren't going to be in the country for long make sure you buy one that you can flog off easy enough when you leave. I'd suggest looking at the Honda Spada - a great 'old' learners bike that doesn't look too crap and goes well (for a 250).

wait is the yzf-r6 learner legal?

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wait is the yzf-r6 learner legal?

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if it was, there'd be a lot of people going splat each week ;)

lol didnt think so, but theres alot of people going splat anyway so at least with an r6 u can do it properly :p
can someone please explain the ins and outs of buying a bike?
kms wise
dents on tank wise
etc
would love to buy a cbr250rr but am a little too big :(

they do seem a little small sometimes

but to begin with, its great to have something lighter

a bigger heavier bike can be a bit of a challenge, even when coming from a lot of experience from smaller bikes id imagine

just find a big cruiser man, u can get plenty that are chunky and comfortable enough for bigger people to ride with ease

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lol didnt think so, but theres alot of people going splat anyway so at least with an r6 u can do it properly :p

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lol true, true

Well id love to get a CBR250 as im planning on selling all of my cars and just having the bike to commute to and from work and then to my GF's house as ill just use her car

Rob as long as u always have a car that u can back urself up on ull be fine bro... dont get caught in the rain

..and watever u do, dont use a bike as ur main mode of transport when you are a learner/provisional, especially in the city... dickhead drivers WILL make you crash and there is nothing you can do about it...

Yeah well i was planning to use it for transport to/from work in the city till Jan 2010 but then again if worse comes to worse i can catch the train
Whats everyones thoughts on a ducati 400ss for 5k? 26,000 on the clock?