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Originally Posted by Dray_Templar
I was trying to be sarcastic:rolleyes: but when you look at it that photo of the Euro really does look like a space ship flying. I guess it back fired.
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Originally Posted by Dray_Templar
I was trying to be sarcastic:rolleyes: but when you look at it that photo of the Euro really does look like a space ship flying. I guess it back fired.
mate if i had the money i would probable get a spaceship :P they still look damn nice.
oh and sorry i ripped you sarcastic commet to pieces i was borred, and it seemed funny at the time.
I have both cars 1998 and 2006, the 2006 Euro has far better handling.Quote:
Originally Posted by hondaskywalker
The turn in with the euro is much sharper, with better mid corner speed. You can also adjust the car's behaviour instantanously through the throttle - a little lift off and the rear will slide to tighten up the cornering line.
The 1998 accord respond slower to ur inputs, the chassis waits a bit b4 it turns in.
Sure, the 1998's engine might be more relaxed cos it has fatter torque down at the low revs, but you have to bear in mind that the euro's engine is designed to be rev hard. i.e. you have to rev it up past 5000rpm to get the best out of it, just like any NA sports car engine.
I don't know about reliability, since i just got the MY06 model recently. However, the 1998 never had any problems (other than failing CD player, failing central locking system which are minor problems).
I have both cars 1998 and 2006, the 2006 Euro has far better handling.Quote:
Originally Posted by hondaskywalker
The turn in with the euro is much sharper, with better mid corner speed. You can also adjust the car's behaviour instantanously through the throttle - a little lift off and the rear will slide to tighten up the cornering line.
The 1998 accord respond slower to ur inputs, the chassis waits a bit b4 it turns in.
Sure, the 1998's engine might be more relaxed cos it has fatter torque down at the low revs, but you have to bear in mind that the euro's engine is designed to be rev hard. i.e. you have to rev it up past 5000rpm to get the best out of it, just like any NA sports car engine.
I don't know about reliability, since i just got the MY06 model recently. However, the 1998 never had any problems (other than failing CD player, failing central locking system which are minor problems).
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Originally Posted by DOHCVTEC
I guess you do have a point... I mean....
they are indeed two calls...however, if you separate the two cars apart and think of them as having just been released at the same time... surely, the 1998 Honda Accord sure does kick a bolt!
i'd like to have my input in this topic if i may :D
today, my friend came and drove me home as I had a big night the night before and when i woke up i still felt tipsy (yeah i had a shitload to drink). His car is a BB6 5th gen prelude but atm its at the panelbeaters as his front bumper and his bonnet is sorta crunched.
in the meantime, he is driving his parent's 1998 accord V6. Its not the V6-L but the 50th anniversay edition or something?
anyway, i think i can now understand where hondaskywalker is coming from. the car is dead quiet and for a 1998 model, its a very comfortable ride. it has a very linear power delivery (no neck snap) and it has a quite a bit of torque down low i felt.
headunit still retains the honda tapedeck which is a bit disappointing seeing as how even our 1998 camry back then had a CD player from factory.
the passenger side glovebox sorta looks like the mark IV supra's glovebox position. sticks out like a sore thumb. woulda been better if that part of the dash was just smooth like the euro.
the drive and comfort of this car, i was very surprised and impressed. the car seems to just glide on the blacktop whereas with the euro it is a little more sluggish IMO. like i said before, its a very quiet and comfortable ride. I asked him if he had any engine problems or failures and he said there hasnt been any. regular service intervals from honda every 10K kms and seeing as how this particular car has done 100,000km +, i can say that the accord V6 is very worthy of competing with the big boys eg beamer, merc etc.
Although most of you are going down the path of "Accord V6-L was a nice car but Euro is better" route, I beg to differ.
Accord V6-L was way too soft, looks too conservative and also had terrible resale value as it was very unpopular.
I don't know how anybody can think Euro is inferior unless you are really old and have absolutely no concept of what makes a car handle better.
From the way you're phrasing your opinion, I seriously doubt you have much technical knowledge and you are solely basing your opinion on the fact that it's quiet and smooth which mainly comes from the fact that Accord V6-L had a very lousy, soft suspension that makes the car devoid of any feel at all.
the V6-L was by far a more luxurious vehicle for it's time... the accord euro now only retails at around $40,000++ driveaway, whereas the 1998 Accord V6-L cost over $50,000++ driveaway...
Euro is only cheaper than your Accord because Honda had a real trouble selling their cars in Australia because it was way too expensive. Prior to the introduction of the Euro, Honda's sales mainly consisted of Civics. The have since then reduced the price of their entire range to make the brand a lot more affordable.
the wheels wooble a bit and what's more... when you drive fast it feels a bit like a sports car and takes our the luxury...
WTF? Nobody gets what you are trying to say here.
just look at a top-notch, well-maintained 98 Accord V6-L - after 8+ years, you still can sell it for around $17,000 on a good day... mate, they keep their value heaps better than say a Ford or a Toyota can.
Who says? You? 2000 year Accord V6-L cost more than $50,000 when brand new, but you'll be lucky to fetch $18,000. Hardly a great resale value if you ask me. it's not surprising considering how unpopular they were.
guys just face it... the 1998 accord v6-L stands out!
In what way? To me, it's the most boring car ever and everytime I look at the car, all I think of is "granny car"
they are indeed two calls...however, if you separate the two cars apart and think of them as having just been released at the same time... surely, the 1998 Honda Accord sure does kick a bolt!
What are you on about? If both cars were released back in the 90's the Euro would've made headlines everywhere because it's too advanced for its time. If Accord V6 was released now, no one will even look at it because it's inferior to anything that's on the market. Therefore, if we think of them as having been released at the same time, Accord Euro is superior in every way still.
I've always loved that 1998 Accord. Its just a really great car that caters for the occasions.
If my Euro Accord has 5 cylinders, it'll be one of the best cars in the world (which it already is). May be an LSD or at least ATTS would be nice. It'll be perfect actually.
Exactly, especially for those trips to the local lawn bowls club... (joke people - don't take things too seriously). :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Omotesando
i have been reading this thread for a while and i now am deciding to put in my little bit...being a proud V6L owner i am more biased to it....but the euro is still a great car..
i say that both cars are as good as each other "for what they are designed to be and do".....
V6L - obviously luxury plush ride...quiet...
Euro - obviously sports mid sized sedan....
honda designed these cars with two different intensions..so u cant say that one is better than the other....because simply they where designed for different reasons.....one thing is comparable they both do what there designed to do in typical Honda style.
LOL ... im gona find out which lawn bowl club you go to and egg you..Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
Okay guys - firstly, hanks for the huge support that everyone has shown this thread... I know it sounds corny and kinda wierd for someone like me to pin a 1998 accord against a 2006 mode that's obviously 8-9 years younger, more advanced and surely looks much more fashionable...however, allow me to convey the following... the follow is perhaps a definitive suggestion why I feel the 1998 Honda V6-L is really worth a re-think...
Look people, just because something is newer, doesn't mean it's always necessarily better and efficient etc... look around you, although unfortunately this seems to be the trend of perception, let us reset out mind and be fair...here are some differing examples...
1. Look at Windows 98 Second Edition - damn, it is surely Microsoft's best, more reliable and by far the most stable release of a operating system compared to all the latest releases like Windows ME, Windows XP and the soon-to-be released Windows VISTA NET or something... Windows 98 obviously looks more boring, has less features and one could say it is less attractive visually...but guys, lift the hood up and you will notice the difference for games, the 98 version rocks as it displays more sprites and pixels on screen, loads far quicker than other versions of windows and what's more crashes fair less and has less bugs to say the least...it's one damn good version of Windows yet it is so old...
2. Computer monitors, the 1996 17" released Sony SF Trinitron Monitor rocks...displays the most dpi on screen, long-lasting and is excellent for games and movies...where as with the new flatscreens...yeah sure, they look better, more trendy and are most expensive and so on... but a shyte load of them stuff up within the first 2 years of use and nearly none of them last longer than 5 years without lessing clarity...for those that have a Sony SF - mate, I still got mine and it still has not stuffed up even once!
Now, the above are just some comparative examples for different things from other contexts...however, now back to the 1998 Honda Accord - yeah sure, it's older, it looks less trendy and perhaps ... yeah sure, it has less state-of-the-art features like the new Accords today...however, for your information, Honda has recalled far more vehicles in the last 4 years then it has in the past...come on bros, designed in a different country, engineered in Japan and the put together by people in the sweatshops in Thailand? Enough said...whereas with the 1998-2000 Honda Accords, it was soley designed in Japan, engineered in Japan, partially put together in Japan and the rest completed in Ohia USA...the 1998 Honda V6-L was designed for the American "prestige market." Guys, vehicles now-a-days have lost their prestige look... reason is because most people cannot afford them...too much competition in Australia and all manufacturers...not just Honda are now more focused on Quantity (how many vehicles they can sell) and no so much how pleasing these vehicles can have for their drivers...'
Guys, take it from me... I have nothing against anyone that drives a 2006 Honda Euro - damn me, they the bes mid-size sedans in the Australian Market for the mid-range price-tage no doubt... they look hot, so trendy and what's more if you change the rims and mod it up a bit...damn, it's hot...but did you know that most 2006 Euro Accord members have complained about this vehicle non-stop? Blimmey...there's a god-forsaken thread a few positions down from this thread titled "what do you hate about the new Accord Euro" ...read the wall of shame before you post the wall of fame!
I bought the Honda Accord Euro a few months ago and have since sold it...for around $7,000 lesser mind you...why? Because of the following reasons...I didn't do post a few reasons after all as I guess everyone has been baffled for ages why I am so against it...ok, read this...
1. It's suspension is way too stiff (use whatever word you want)...but bloody hell, when you drive it, it feels like you're trying a luxury-tank...way too stiff for a mid-size sedan.
2. When the engine is idle, it shakes and weeps like a kitten out of milk...damn me dead, it drinks far too much petrol and when stationed, it cries too load...
3. Just like a few members have complained already...the Honda Euro is a bit noisy...remember guys, we're comparing a 1998 model against a 2006 model... damn, the 1998 is like a luxury liner cruising along softly whereas the 2006 Accord is like a mini-spaceship that's on Viagra...man, for what it's worth and what it's boasting...I am extremely dissapointed!
Man, the damn 2006 Honda Euro is so dissapointing (remember, for it's youth, boasted features and cost)...
Why you wouldn't:
Lacks effortless, torquey performance of competitor V6 autos
Climate control varies noticeably in temperature
Some throttle jerkiness
Why you wouldn't:
Slight jerkiness when getting on and off the power
Climate control air temp varies too much
Against: Tight rear seat, narrow boot opening, suspension can be tested over sharp bumps.
Guys, personally, if you don't mind a less out-dated look... the V6-L rules!
Man, some of you even posted your complaints here:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17711