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I got an Accord Luxobarge 06 today and it has the creaking so I'll take it to my regular Honda service place and have them check it out before its warranty runs out. I drove an 07 model which had low km's (15000) and the clutch felt a bit doughy but didn't have any creaking. Others I tried had a nice, light and springy clutch and they ranged in age from nearly new to over 100,000km's on the clock. My 97 Integra has a dynamite clutch - never had a problem with it and it still has a nice action.
My clutch creaks too. I'll get it looked at at the 40,000km service which Shyla is due for.
Such an annoying sound!
spot on. peel back the rubber boot and spray it in there. get a friend or pet to press the clutch pedal as u spray to see if ur hitting the right spot
have you been shopping around for 40k service prices?Quote:
Originally Posted by euromandeluxe
check out this thread:
http://ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66487&page=4
the mechanic put oil on mine.....the creaking was softer, but it felt like shit still.
thanks for replying guys,
My gut feeling is the clutch spring, I'll call good ol' honduh today
Just an update guys,
I ordered the spring from Honda, it has to come up from Vic,
It's $11.00
I can just imaging how much of a pain it's going to be to get to this thing.. bloody Japanese cars!
Around June/July last year, my clutch started creaking for the first time since owning the car. At the time I started thinking I would need a new master cylinder, but never got around to pricing one from Honda. I put up with the creaking for a few months, until one day it just stopped creaking. I was away overseas and left my car at the airport for 2 weeks. When I came back, it had stopped creaking (it was as if someone had come along and lubed it or something!? LOL)
Anyway, on Monday it started creaking again. So this time, I straight away sprayed some Silicon spray into the master cylinder (from inside the car with the clutch pedal fully depressed). It feels silky smooth now, but for how long....
xxb4xx, i'm keen to hear how replacing the clutch spring goes, keep us posted!
PS. If you can, take some photos while you replace the spring :thumbsup:
i just put up with it, comes and goes but lately hasn't come back for a while.
mine is there repeatedly, and I hate it, looks like I'll be doing a DIY thread if anyones interested, I know eurosteve is he he,
I get the spring tomorrow, but it's the mrs bday, I'll do it on sat morning,
Cheers
Brendan
If i don't use my car for a few days, the creaking is a lot softer, if not gone. When i use it a lot, esp on hot days for some reason, it creaks heaps.
Spray the silicone and you'll be alright for maybe a month if unlucky. If the master cylinder is really shafted, then the creak comes back after 1 week after lubing.
Not sure about the master cylinder though...
it honestly feels very spring related, it's all smooth, then right at the end of the pedal travel in the last 3mm of play it will make a spring stretching sound..
How much are master cylinders on these? judging by the effort, i'd prob don the clutch at the same time, and replace it with an Exedy organic..
Wow, thats EXACTLY how i'd describe it.
it's all smooth, then right at the end of the pedal travel in the last 3mm of play it will make a spring stretching sound..
if I take it in to warranty, should I ask for a new master cylinder?
I don't want a temporary lube fix, they have already done this once and its back again.
Well, I'll pick up the spring today, and use some lithium grease on the shaft when I install it all.. not a big fan of silicone spray as it wears off quick not really designed for it..
for fly screen door rollers it's fine! hehe
i am also having this issue with my euro..
been like 7 months now.. and it's starting to get very annoying..
what can we possible do?
If i was planning to put it into warrenty with honda.. will they provide a temp car to use?
temp cars depends on the dealer if they offer it, otherwise they'll charge you for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsite85
not sure about warrantly claims and cars provided..
Gimme the weekend, and i'll report back on the difference the spring made.. it's a hell'of' a lot cheaper than a master cylinder! and easier!,
The spring is in from VIC, i'll get it after work.. and as promised, i'll make a DIY thread on it.
That's different to how my clutch feels - mine is stiff most of the way and makes the creaking noise about halfway through its stroke. Ha ha I drove my Integra last night and the clutch was so light it felt I nearly put my foot through the floor. So I think there's two or more sources of creaking sounds.... master cylinder, spring and maybe even the clutch pedal pivot?Quote:
Originally Posted by xxb4xx
Well from a liberty b4 with a heavy duty clutch, the euro is like a feather..
I'm going to drown everything in thick lithium grease when I change the spring.. Make sure I killed it good.. Spring looks so tiny and stupid on these cars too.. Never the less, it will be drowned in grease too, and more than likely my car mats too
Lithium grease is good.I don't have the squeaky clutch problem but every service i ask them to spray some in the MC fork area(or whatever it calls)just in case.Quote:
Originally Posted by xxb4xx
Which spring is this??
i had this problem as well.. lubrication would only last a few days before creaking came back.... got the master cylinder replaced 6mths ago (my 120k service) and problem solved... creak hasnt come back.. yet.. touch wood..
well..
I attempted to change the spring.. Then washed the car..
I again attempted the spring.. Instead detailed interior..
I again attempted the spring.. Instead polished the car by hand..
Finally after giving up, I went mechanic and paid him to do it, 1 hour later car was ready.. And... Fcuking creak is still there!!! But pedal comes up quicker LOL,
I drowned every component with lithium grease and now all is well.. The main shaft to the master cylinder and firewall seal got waterproof and heat/friction proof blue marine grease.. Including accelerator and the clutch spring..
got my master cyclinder replaced today under warranty.
what a relief....
i was just lubing my motorcycle chain today and had an idea...
LOL what if i sprayed some of my chain lube stuff into the master clutch cylinder? it seems 'greasy' enough...
wonder if that will work? :)
man I drenched mine with lithium grease, been like 2 weeks+ and not even a sign of creaking... Knock on wood
i just sprayed some of my motorcycle chain lube into the cylinder and it has stopped creaking...lets see how long it will last...lol
I picked up a Euro recently and also have the creaking noise. I'll try the greasing solutions from the thread.
The Euro's pedal feels harder than my old NX Coupe with a HD clutch. The NX also had a similar creaking and stiff pedal (notorious on NX and SSS's), which resulted in a snapped clutch cable after a while lol. Fark I thought my days of stiff creaking clutches was over lol.
Euros don't have clutch cable though, it's a hydraulic system. I have driven a range of Euros, some with a soft clutch pedal like mine and others with a really heavy one eventhough it is stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by dtngo
lol, I know that :)
Need to get myself some grease!
Can Lithium grease from repco will do the job yeah?
just go into dealership and ask them to replace the master cylinder. easiest solution, no hassles
Exactly what I used and no issue still!! Not even close,Quote:
Originally Posted by oongie
Powerplus lithium spray grease FTW
The creaky clutch problem has been announced by Honda. If you look through your service history (if they kept all the receipts) you will find that there is a good chance it would of already been done.
Just looked through my service history and found the bullitin number.
Bullitin Number: SB015T04 (Faulty Clutch Master Cylinder)
unlikely they will fix it if you don't bring it up first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phased
Does this mean we can get it fixed even out of warranty for free?!
Lol. Of course not, I'm just stating that if your cars within warranty then you mention the creaky clutch and mention the bullitin number if they start talking trash.Quote:
Originally Posted by power_of_dreams
To my knowledge, no. If its a recall yes, however if it's just a bullitin dependant upon fault detection, I'm unsure if they will cover it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken-f
yeah, you mentioned there is a good chance it may have already been done. I think if they did it, you would probably know about it because you brought it up in the first place. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Phased
Haha, I get what your saying. You may not if the car was second hand though :pQuote:
Originally Posted by power_of_dreams
damn.......as i thought.
That's true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phased
The first time I took it in the did some shitty lube job and claimed it was the cruise control trigger (it's a different sound, that is a click not a creak)
The second time they replaced the master cylinder. I asked the guy if this was a common problem, he said there were a few.
So it is defo something they know about. If your car is under warranty you should get it replaced no hesitation. I'm not sure what the go is if you are out of warranty, but I still think its worth a try.
You would think by posting a public bullitin they have admitted to a fault in their product. If the product is faulty then regardless of warranty they should replace it. However, as we all know. This isn't a perfect world.Quote:
Originally Posted by power_of_dreams
Hmm, thought i would revive this thread.
So, do we all agree that the creaking clutch is a result of the master cylinder? and replacing this cylinder should fix the problem?
Oh, and how much are we looking at costing to replace it.
My mum and I both have or should I say had the creaking pedal issue.
Hers has had a master cylinder, clutch pedal bushes and as of last week had a pedal box replacement. All was done under warranty. Finally after having the pedal box replaced the noise is gone and feels much better. I had been complaining to honda at every service since 5000km and now its at close 120,000kms.
Mine isn't as bad as hers was, I can leave with it as I would hate to thing what a pedal box is worth.
Rob
i had the same problem with my 03 model euro. It has a mass creek in the pedel and you could feel it within moving it within the engage point.
I took it to a mechanic and he llubed it. It worked fine for another week and kept creaping. I know for a fact that the issue wont go away unless you constantly lube it.. which isnt a problem for most men ;) wink wink
Now i have a 07 model euro, it creeks when its cold & not when its hot.. very weird.
So i got the h*&Ts and bought the Euro R pedals from JDM yard.. They look MINT!
Hy guys..
I used silicone spray on mine, it's honestly been about 5 months and no creek since.. But I lubed it all, I even "lubed the shaft all the way into the firewall" lol.. Silicone spray seems to have done the job for now
What's what I do with mine. I spray in to the master cylinder while pressing down the clutch. Keeps the creak away for a few months.Quote:
Originally Posted by xxb4xx
For a Noob; anyone got like pics, or DIY into how to do this.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
^ +1 if someone could take pics / use paint and make circles around the areas that should be lubed that would be great.
Go look at your clutch pedal. There is a rod that goes from above the clutch pedal into the firewall. Where the rod goes into the firewall, spray there. Easy.
Here is a generic pic:
http://www.lieblweb.com/tacoma/Mecha...dal/Cotter.jpg
See where the rod is just to the bottom right of the green arrowhead? It goes into the firewall where the black ring is. That is where you spray. It is not black on the Euro, but it is still a ring where the rod goes into. Same thing.
Here is another pic:
http://www.automotivearticles.com/up...h_pedal_1_.jpg
Look where the arrow labeled "rod adjustment" points to. Follow the rod to the right in the pic into the firewall and you will see it goes through a ring. Spray into the ring.
Hectic, Great work from aaronng once again :thumbsup:
Can we use any kind of lube? or does it have to be silicone spray?
I've used silicone spray successfully. Don't use WD40, that damages the rubber seals.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPO73D
Hmmm, Tried to give this a go, but couldnt really see the part of the car where it goes. i tried looking for the things in that pic, but there isnt much room from the top. I Jacked it up and still had no luck :(.
Im guessing we go in from under the car? and it would be the back half of the engine bay, but there isnt anything similar to the pics.
Nonono, it is in the driver's compartment. NOT in the engine bay. Put your head into where your pedals are, and look up.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPO73D
Thanks, That was alot simpler than what I thought needed to be done :)
Creaking clutch gone, lets see for how long. Thanks Aaronng for hectically quick reply LOl.
No problem. I find that if I drive daily, the creak goes away for a few months. But if I leave the car unused for a month, the creak comes back. Makes sense since everytime you press the clutch pedal, you are redistributing the silicone lube on the seal.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPO73D
Even a lube stick is good.. it looks like hardened vaseline.. works great too.
Not sure how to get it in the hole though. The gap is about 3-4mm only.Quote:
Originally Posted by xxb4xx
Sorry dude, I meant for lubing the shaft itself, not actually going through the firewall, I combo'd the both, but the silicon spray has been a life saver so far..Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Hey Aaron, I know your gonna read this reply :)
How long does the extension need to be to get to the plugs? or how long is the drop in?
The rod doesn't touch any parts inside the master cylinder, so I don't think there is a need to lube it. I didn't lube my rod (man that sounds bad) and the creak still went away.Quote:
Originally Posted by xxb4xx
I use a 20 cm extension. The longer the better because you don't want to rub the ratchet on your rocker cover and scratch it. I bought a Superworksgold extension from Supercheap. Pretty good and even has a grip part so that you can turn it by hand even with a bit of grease on it.
Awesome, thanks mate,
p.s I used to work at Supercheap and had some SuperGold parts.. then I worked at Bunnings and I upgraded everything to Sidchrome :)
Now I work at a bank and have soft hands like a poof.
Mines the other way. If i drive heaps, its more obvious. If i dont drive in a couple days, then its gone for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
I'll do the silicone spray too but I'll have to lose some of my beer belly first:p
Then you need more lubing. I did mine by pressing the clutch pedal down as far as I can by hand, then spraying the silicone in using an extension nozzle into the gap. After that, pump the pedal a few times to distribute the lube.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken-f
as said above, When I did mine, I drowned the living hell out of it, all the way inside and around..
your just not lubricating enough ! :P lmao man i had to say it lol.. just sounds so wrong lmao
just had to add - i had this issue , and two days ago bought myself some silicone spray - 3 sprays and it the problem is completely gone! not fussed if it comes back - the can only cost $10 :D
amazing stuff!
I'm honestly suprised not many people know about silicone spray, the stuff can be used anywhere you use wd40! But with less dirt and dust being attracted and works longer, also another great dry lube that many peeps don't know about is graphite powder.. For a dry lube it's awesome!
Hi guys had a humming noise in my tyre so i brought it in on thursday to get it checked out. No creaking clutch.
Got car back still had humming noise... burswood honda said nothing they can do about it as it was because of uneven trye wearing. When driving the car had creaking clutch!!!
Brought car back on friday they lubed it up. no creaking clutch BUT.... now the car is using alot of fuel 11L/100km on the computer, it is slow in going past 2000rpm (Unresponsive) car feels sluggish where as this morning when i brought it in it was damn responsive! wonder what they did to my car. everytime i get it back a new problem appears! NOT HAPPY
any one know of a common problem why the car is sluggish and consumes so much fuel.Before i got 8.2 and sometimes 7.6l/100km fuel economy. i have a manual and put in a full tank of BP ultimate 98ron. i wonder if they syphoned out my petrol...... and put crappy shit back in......
I was waiting for someone to mention it ahaha.Quote:
Originally Posted by xxb4xx
Hey Kenshinfan1, check around the engine bay, it sounds like they have accidently left a hose disconnected or a cable yo a sensor, which is now either losing vacuum or not getting the correct Reading to the ecu and stalling the car from revving...
Digging up this old thread.
My car had to be on a tow truck on Saturday because the clutch master cylinder suddenly started leaking and then had no pressure in it at all within a couple of hours. Couldn't get into any gears and pedal didn't come back up after pressing it down. :( Had to pay $250 for the tow truck:thumbdwn:
Ok... a bit of history.. I had the master cylinder replaced for the first time when car had around 20,000km.. Then, not long after that, around less than another 10,000km it started creaking again, the dealer didn't give it another replacement but lube it and the creak went away for 4-5000km then I use silicon spray regularly every 5k km or so..
Today at my mechanic's, we took out the old whole master cylinder unit and replaced it with a new one from Honda. Paid another $220 for just the part!
Here is a photo of the old one and where the problem is.
The whole unit.
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/8172/img0771bd.jpg
Remove this clip with the pliers to see the wear inside the push rod.
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/7572/img0772la.jpg
The arrow points where the wear is.
http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/8492/img0774c.jpg
It is very stupid that the whole unit has to be bought. The wear is at the plastic push rod before the seal. It has been bad that made me thinking that my clutch (after market) is the heaviest I have ever driven. I think this is the reason of my premature wear of my old ORC clutch that only lasted 10k kms. (I have been driven 2-3 manual cars before I owned the euro and all of them never had clutch replaced) After we put in the new unit, my clutch just feels a tad heavier than other cars with stock clutch.
Before it started leaking, there had not been any creaking for about a year... So watch out for this guys..
i had a creaking pedal too kit. just lubed it up and its all sweet now. i hope this doesnt happen to mine.
maybe just rev match shift in future? :p ;)
You will find that the silicon spray will fix the "creak" temporarily however it can actually do more long term damage... as Silicon breaks down rubber/nylon seals. It's funny you mention the premature clutch wear as it seems common on euro's for clutches to need replacing as early as 80-100,000kms. I haven't Had any trouble with mine, besides noisy compound! I somehow think it's got something to do with how Euro Owners Drive them... Don't forget they are a popular car aimed at older people that aren't really "into driving" of which probably slip them and don't treat them very well...
The thing that annoys me is that because we purchased the exact same part; who's to say that Honda have re-engineered it and fixed it... The exact same thing may happen again.
I know the Euro represented good value for money... but the List of VERY "Common Faults" is irritating. I've fixed (myself) EVERY common fault the euro's are known for (except steering rack, that is good) It still is a Honda and although the Engine/Transmission itself is solid, reliable and typical of Honda... the rest of the car doesn't seem up to scratch. ie. Clutch, Lock Actuators, Driveline (Driveshafts), Steering Rack Issues etc.
trav, i kinda rev match every time, both up and down shift.
yep, i agree 100% with Phased. I sprayed mine in December last year (saw my post in the previous page), then the creaking was gone for 5-6 months. However the creak came back about a week ago then I hit it up with some more silicone spray.. until it is fully damaged and leaked.
I upgraded my clutch from OEM to ORC not because it was gone or there was anything wrong.. The ORC clutch only lasted 10,000 KM.. Reported back here on the forums and people pointed out it might be my driving style.. Though I never play with my clutch for example using it to hold up the hills etc.. The master cylinder was the cause that makes it very very hard to launch the car until now I know 100%. To Compare before and after replacing the whole master cylinder unit (just before it was completely stuffed), I can say it is like triple the stiffness of the pedal.
Yeah it is very annoying that we have to keep replacing a faulty part for another part that you know will be faulty again in the future... RANT//
Clutches designed for racing or hard street work (ie. Cushion/Brass Button, Puck, Twin+ Plate etc.) shouldn't be driven like a normal clutch... otherwise you will be lucky if you get 10,000kms out of it.... They're not designed to be slipped, instead you have to hard release and do kind of a "semi-launch" when you take off, even when your not planning to drive hard at all. I've heard from many that regardless of the way you treat them; Racing clutches (especially ORC/Ogura) don't last very long... Especially when compared to OEM or Standard Replacement.Quote:
Originally Posted by kitbkk
Yeah I know, it is VERY annoying to think that even spending $180 on a Master Cylinder... that in a few months (or possibly the next owner) it will just do exactly the same thing.... Damn Honda! Ain't what they used to be!
Rant(Clutches) return 0;
Hold on.. I've been spraying mine like every two days with silicon! should I stop? :(
why not use Lanox instead of silicon spray? Silicon is known to degrade rubber over time, Lanox is supposedly safe for use on rubber