NEW 2009 Euro Luxury Auto Pinging

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Originally Posted by yfin

Bob - be careful comparing dyno numbers even for the same car. I have seen a Euro on the same dyno on the same day deliver 20kw more at the wheels. This was 2 manual CL9s.

And fuel economy at 13l per 100kms is less than what Wheels was getting for real world driving in the automatic CL9. They were getting 14s around town. Is the car with the fuel economy issue an automatic? As those numbers are not that unusual. What does the car do on the highway?

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Dyno's regularly deliver different results due to ambient temperature, humidity and other factors.

As for fuel economy i can only post my own accurate figures, there are so many variables, the biggest being the human that is driving.

I have a CU2 Auto and keep a spreadsheet on all fuel used, 99% of the time I fill at the same pump so the car is on the same angle, and fill until fuel is visible in the filler neck. After 10,955kms i have an average of 7.33 L/100km.
If I discount the first tank from the dealer ( i am sure it was not filled completely) best recorded is 6.9L/100km, worst recorded is 7.65L/100km.
Caltex Vortex 95 fuel used exclusively except for 1 tank of Mobile 98.

Hi all,
Sent my car in this morning for the "fix".
After the "fix", i tried to replicate the "pinging" sound on my way back(30 min drive). I am happy to say that i couldnt hear anything. Seems like they have found the fix.
I am going to observe for few more days. Will feedback here again. Stay tune...

Did the dealer give you any indication regarding what they did to your car? I live in the states and am very curious regarding what they actually did to eliminate the ping. This is potentially very exciting news!

notice any difference in power?

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Originally Posted by Bobjones

Subsequently, John has driven the vehicle maintaining extremely accurate log books for his vehicle, noting both the vehicle dispayed fuel economy and his calculated fuel economy, both of which did not differ materially. Over a couple of monthsJohn noticed no improvement in fuel economy figures, despite being an older gentleman whom drove the vehcile "like a grandma", economy in excess of 13 litres per 100km was consistently being recorded.
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Thus, as a former Euro owner, I would advise that it may be prudent for people to obtain independent testing on their Euro's, those with "post ignition noise" and those with poor fuel economy and see if there are any trends...IMHO I think there may be some...

Might also be an idea for those whom are having the "fix" performed on their vehciles, both, a pre and a post dyno run is not expensive...

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I have a 2008 build/compliance one... my fuel figures is around 13L/100kms but starting to get the noise as well... I dont think this has to do with fix or change in fuel consumption...

Did another run for an hour tis morning. Same like yesterday, couldn't hear any pinging sound, no matter what rev.
I did pay some attention to power and consumption. Didn't feel lost of power(can be subjective, need more time). Fuel consumption remain similar level for me, around 9L.
We need more owner to share their experience after the fix before we can conclude anything.

Yes I know dyno's give different readings, but like any dyno in shoot out mode, if callibrated correctly adjusts for temperature humidity etc, the tension straps are also set to the same torque figures to reduce the "ramp up" effect that can cause higheer power figures. And let me say that the AFR does not lie, there was a material difference in readings, power figures some, and if I saw the SAME car on the SAME dyno read different in a day by 20kw, in a NA car then yes, I would not believe the dyno was set up properly, the SAME dyno and different car, who knows...and frankly irrelevant to what I have provided. I have know buy in to this anymore, just providing information, that you can assess anyway you want.

Oh and Buddah, I said in excess of 13l per 100, combined highway and city, and driving it like Miss Daisy, my car was returning under 10 atleast with similar driving, significantly different from the reported 8.9...

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Originally Posted by Bobjones

Oh and Buddah, I said in excess of 13l per 100, combined highway and city, and driving it like Miss Daisy, my car was returning under 10 atleast with similar driving, significantly different from the reported 8.9...

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Mine was 20% highway 80% city, and its giving 13L/100kms avg... driving like "miss daisy" give me avg 13.5L/100kms and rev high early then glide through the rest give me avg 12.5L/100kms

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Originally Posted by Bobjones

Yes I know dyno's give different readings, but like any dyno in shoot out mode, if callibrated correctly adjusts for temperature humidity etc, the tension straps are also set to the same torque figures to reduce the "ramp up" effect that can cause higheer power figures. And let me say that the AFR does not lie, there was a material difference in readings, power figures some, and if I saw the SAME car on the SAME dyno read different in a day by 20kw, in a NA car then yes, I would not believe the dyno was set up properly, the SAME dyno and different car, who knows...and frankly irrelevant to what I have provided. I have know buy in to this anymore, just providing information, that you can assess anyway you want.

Oh and Buddah, I said in excess of 13l per 100, combined highway and city, and driving it like Miss Daisy, my car was returning under 10 atleast with similar driving, significantly different from the reported 8.9...

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Maybe your mate 'John' needs to unhook his caravan.;)

Seriously though I get low 7's highway and high 11's around home with lots of short trips to work and back. I can't see what changes Honda could have made that would reduce power and increase fuel consumption by 30%. Not to mention the regulatory problems those sort of performance changes would give them.

There are so many variables that effect fuel consumption you will never get 2 cars achieving the same results. In my case I achieve approx 1L/100km less than my wife in our car, yet I am the faster driver. therefore the way the right foot is used plays a major part in the end result. I had an FD1 Civic Auto for over 60,000km & averaged 6.8L/100 over that time. After 11,000 in my CU2 Auto I find it averages 0.5L/100km more..... who would have believed that, i know i wouldn't, yet keeping an accurate spreadsheet doesn't lie.

Sure, i know the figures i achieve are totally irrelevant to most of you guys as all my driving is secondary rural roads with a little country town driving thrown in, but it does show what is possible given the right conditions.

A classic example is a trip I did to Bundaberg today, a round trip of 360km. I had done 204km local driving before left with the trip computer reading 6.8. Upon arriving home i have done 564km & still have well over 1/2 a tank remaining, trip computer is showing 6.4. If I allow for the .2L/100km inaccuracy of the trip computer that would give a true reading of around 6.6. Who wouldn't be impressed with that, i know i am. Add to that the computer is also showing 520 till empty which would give a range of 1084 from 1 tank of fuel, meaning 1,000km should be easily achievable. I am 100% certain I will get past 900km on this tank with local driving until i refill.

I am happy to share my spreadsheet with anyone, just pm me your email add, but i wont be refilling on this current tank until next week at the earliest.

PS....I am now up to 879 km on this tank of fuel......still no sign of low fuel warning light......trip computer reading 176km till empty. AMAZING!

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Originally Posted by mcabut

Did the dealer give you any indication regarding what they did to your car? I live in the states and am very curious regarding what they actually did to eliminate the ping. This is potentially very exciting news!

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its a software patch and a knock sensor in australia i guess it would b the same anywhere else

I average around 8.0-9.5 here in Canberra including driving to work during peak hour. On a trip from Canberra to Sydney I was 6.4 there and back.

My ping is horrid and can be heard across the entire rev range and even when the radio is on. I think I've become highly attuned to the pinging sound now. :(

That being said I love the car and will hold off on the 'fix' until my 10k or 6 month service in September.

btw glad to see you back Buddah!

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Originally Posted by Bobjones

And let me say that the AFR does not lie, there was a material difference in readings, power figures some, and if I saw the SAME car on the SAME dyno read different in a day by 20kw, in a NA car then yes, I would not believe the dyno was set up properly, the SAME dyno and different car, who knows...

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So what you are expecting to see is that 2 Euros dynoed should show the same AFR ratios?

btw glad to see you back Buddah![/QUOTE]
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Likewise im glad to see you back Buddah. Your'e a good bloke and keep up the sharing of your knowledge with the rest of us apprentices

Ok Guys on Thursday my euro was delivered to CapitalHonda in Canberra
i picked it up in the arvo, and here is the classic case, the young ****y guy at the service counter, after asking him how is the pinger he knew which keys to give me, he said that (name) Honda Rep has done something and just handed me the keys. I did not get any paperwork or explanation as to what was done. The other senior chap tells me Honda will send you a letter letting you know what they did. So the bottom line is that the Honda Rep did not communicate much to the service department dudes and therefore these guys had nothing to tell me. (:eek:)

I have briefly driven the car and although it was pouring with rain on thursday
i was not able to hear the ping.

I should mention, and this is just my opinion im getting in the habit of warming up the engine within reason, as a cold engine will make the ping worse. (I think the VTEC likes to be warm) maybe you guys may think im talkin out my arse, its just an opinion ok...

Today driving to work i (thought) i heard the ping but cannot verify this altogether, as i have been a slightly parranoid dude with this euro, im sure you other pingers can understand this.

If you are taking your'e euro to have this problem fixed/corrected please ask them (service guys) to give you something, anything so that there is a written record of the event. As i said i didnt get it... Not to worry...

I apologise for the long winded post here, im in a good mood right now, and no i didnt have sex with the wife..just wanted to share my experience with ya's all...

On Saturday i will take the car for a good blast floggin it through the gears
to determine if ping still exists.

So whatever software or any other bizzo was applied to my euro on Thursday i believe it has significantly or altogether eliminated the ping shyte noise....

Look guys it's frustrating the car is pricey and what can i say i love it even with the noise, ive been angry, frustrated and anxious but im trying to find some middle ground, i also ride a motorbike maybe that's been a good remedy
for me...

I feel i have delivered good news and i hope you will have confident and favourable results when the Honda Rep arrives at your dealership.

On a different point, isnt the euro gearbox slick guys, bloody hell the stick
glides into position better than a porn stars shlong.:camera:

Ok i gotta get back to the footy its dragons V sydney city, im going for the dragons, coz they got wendell...:beer:

All the best and remember the best things in life are really free
like fresh air, sunshine yaddah yaddahh...

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Originally Posted by VIDSEURO

btw glad to see you back Buddah!

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Likewise im glad to see you back Buddah. Your'e a good bloke and keep up the sharing of your knowledge with the rest of us apprentices

Ok Guys on Thursday my euro was delivered to CapitalHonda in Canberra
i picked it up in the arvo, and here is the classic case, the young ****y guy at the service counter, after asking him how is the pinger he knew which keys to give me, he said that (name) Honda Rep has done something and just handed me the keys. I did not get any paperwork or explanation as to what was done. The other senior chap tells me Honda will send you a letter letting you know what they did. So the bottom line is that the Honda Rep did not communicate much to the service department dudes and therefore these guys had nothing to tell me. (:eek:)


Same here, they didn't give me any paper or document showing what they have done to my car. And seems like only the service manager knows what going around. Those guys in the service department didn't know anything about the fix when I returned call to the manager who asked me to bring my car in for the fix.
It's been few days now since they "fix" my car. I am happy with the result. The pinging is virtually gone, although I heard a very short and mild clicking sound occationally during hard acceleration (I have this from my subaru liberty as well).
Please share more of your experience here. I will continue to share my life after the "fix" here :)

I have briefly driven the car and although it was pouring with rain on thursday
i was not able to hear the ping.

I should mention, and this is just my opinion im getting in the habit of warming up the engine within reason, as a cold engine will make the ping worse. (I think the VTEC likes to be warm) maybe you guys may think im talkin out my arse, its just an opinion ok...

Today driving to work i (thought) i heard the ping but cannot verify this altogether, as i have been a slightly parranoid dude with this euro, im sure you other pingers can understand this.

If you are taking your'e euro to have this problem fixed/corrected please ask them (service guys) to give you something, anything so that there is a written record of the event. As i said i didnt get it... Not to worry...

I apologise for the long winded post here, im in a good mood right now, and no i didnt have sex with the wife..just wanted to share my experience with ya's all...

On Saturday i will take the car for a good blast floggin it through the gears
to determine if ping still exists.

So whatever software or any other bizzo was applied to my euro on Thursday i believe it has significantly or altogether eliminated the ping shyte noise....

Look guys it's frustrating the car is pricey and what can i say i love it even with the noise, ive been angry, frustrated and anxious but im trying to find some middle ground, i also ride a motorbike maybe that's been a good remedy
for me...

I feel i have delivered good news and i hope you will have confident and favourable results when the Honda Rep arrives at your dealership.

On a different point, isnt the euro gearbox slick guys, bloody hell the stick
glides into position better than a porn stars shlong.:camera:

Ok i gotta get back to the footy its dragons V sydney city, im going for the dragons, coz they got wendell...:beer:

All the best and remember the best things in life are really free
like fresh air, sunshine yaddah yaddahh...[/QUOTE]

Ok Guys

Here is the latest from my end here in the ACT.
I drove the car Saturday and Sunday, floggin it through the gears and sad to report
the ping sound is still there.
Im now just quite over this whole thing, the euro pings but its still a good car.
The ping will not damage the motor, according to Honda so i guess be hard on your car.
If you blow it up maybe it will be replaced. (extreme view)
It back to the drawing board and the Honda reps around Australia.
Im not sure how the rest of you other pingers will go with your Honda reps when the dealership calls you up.
Look im extremely pleased with the euro and this is a flaw im kind of getting used to.
The ball is now back in the Honda court, and quite frankly i have more significant
matters to think about than just my car.
I sincerely wish all of you guys well for the future, we all have had our fair share of comments, its been entertaining and enlightening.
Lets stay positive and optimistic thats the best i can come up with now.

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Originally Posted by VIDSEURO

Ok Guys

Here is the latest from my end here in the ACT.
I drove the car Saturday and Sunday, floggin it through the gears and sad to report
the ping sound is still there.
Im now just quite over this whole thing, the euro pings but its still a good car.
The ping will not damage the motor, according to Honda so i guess be hard on your car.
If you blow it up maybe it will be replaced. (extreme view)
It back to the drawing board and the Honda reps around Australia.
Im not sure how the rest of you other pingers will go with your Honda reps when the dealership calls you up.
Look im extremely pleased with the euro and this is a flaw im kind of getting used to.
The ball is now back in the Honda court, and quite frankly i have more significant
matters to think about than just my car.
I sincerely wish all of you guys well for the future, we all have had our fair share of comments, its been entertaining and enlightening.
Lets stay positive and optimistic thats the best i can come up with now.

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This is not the news we were all hoping to hear. I believe you are 1 of the first to have the software update / knock sensor replacement carried out, so it will be interesting to hear your dealers comments on this matter. If this is replicated throughout future upgrades on the CU2's with this problem I believe Honda could possibly be in for a major recall worldwide, something that is very rare for this manufacturer & quite possibly a first. All I can advise to people with this problem is to make sure your dealership is aware of the problem, and get an invoice from them that it has been noted. By doing this you are legally covered against this problem indefinitely, even after manufacturer warranty expires.

That being said it is a major disappointment for those that have this problem, so let's try to dig a little deeper into the problem and try to think what differences there are between the engine in the CL9, CU2, and other K24 variants that don't have this problem. From the little research i have done the bottom end of most k24 series engines is very similar, so I can't see the problem being in that area as they are a strong, robust bottom end. What have they done to the K24Z3 engine in the CU2 that is different - a total redesign of the cylinder head in search of a little more power to try to counteract the weight increase in making the CU2 bigger. The biggest change is combining the exhaust manifold within the cylinder head casting. Is this the way of the future, i guess that is now debatable, although they did the same thing with the R18A in the 8th generation Civic & had no such problems, but that is a low output engine in comparison. I believe the reason behind doing this is to meet new stringent pollution regulations that allow the Calalytic Converter to be mounted directly to the Cylinder Head where the exhaust gas is hottest allowing the cat to do its job more efficiently. I tend to think that it is in this area where the problem lies, but bear in mind it is only a thought.

Most of us tend to think that 148KW from a CU2 is nothing special, but to emphasize how far modern engines have developed, lets compare that with what everyone wanted in my younger days - a Toana SLR 5000 - I guess a lot of u would be shocked to know that in standard trim it had an output of 161KW - a difference of 13kw from an engine twice the size of the CU2.

Getting back to the "Pinging" problem we are having with our CU2 autos, I don't know how much it varies from 1 vehicle to the next, all i can say is that while I do have the problem, it is very intermittent & I can go hundreds of kms between hearing the noise. Is this because i tend to drive with economy in mind & don't give the car a hard time too often? Impossible to answer, but a possibility.

It would be interesting to hear other thoughts on this.

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Originally Posted by VIDSEURO

Ok Guys

Here is the latest from my end here in the ACT.
I drove the car Saturday and Sunday, floggin it through the gears and sad to report
the ping sound is still there.
Im now just quite over this whole thing, the euro pings but its still a good car.
The ping will not damage the motor, according to Honda so i guess be hard on your car.
If you blow it up maybe it will be replaced. (extreme view)
It back to the drawing board and the Honda reps around Australia.
Im not sure how the rest of you other pingers will go with your Honda reps when the dealership calls you up.
Look im extremely pleased with the euro and this is a flaw im kind of getting used to.
The ball is now back in the Honda court, and quite frankly i have more significant
matters to think about than just my car.
I sincerely wish all of you guys well for the future, we all have had our fair share of comments, its been entertaining and enlightening.
Lets stay positive and optimistic thats the best i can come up with now.

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It's bit weird. On friday I spoke to my dealership, then second dealership and after that to HONDA Australia. All parties confirmed fix for PINGING issue is not available. I read few ppl in this forum receive their recall calls, r u guys sure there is fix (I mean something like fix) or someone here is confused (members in forum or HONDA AUstralia) the whole story sounds very very weird

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Originally Posted by VIDSEURO

Ok Guys

Here is the latest from my end here in the ACT.
I drove the car Saturday and Sunday, floggin it through the gears and sad to report
the ping sound is still there.
Im now just quite over this whole thing, the euro pings but its still a good car.
The ping will not damage the motor, according to Honda so i guess be hard on your car.
If you blow it up maybe it will be replaced. (extreme view)
It back to the drawing board and the Honda reps around Australia.
Im not sure how the rest of you other pingers will go with your Honda reps when the dealership calls you up.
Look im extremely pleased with the euro and this is a flaw im kind of getting used to.
The ball is now back in the Honda court, and quite frankly i have more significant
matters to think about than just my car.
I sincerely wish all of you guys well for the future, we all have had our fair share of comments, its been entertaining and enlightening.
Lets stay positive and optimistic thats the best i can come up with now.

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Its been few days now since the update.
1st of all, i didnt get any document or paper from the dealer on the job done either. The service manager just told me that they updated the software and changed knock sensor. Other owners please share if you manage to get any black and white from the dealer after your "fix".
Hand on heart, i still hear very very mild pinging sound from the engine very very occationally. However, i am not going to borther much as similar ping happen to my subaru liberty occationally. I guess it does happen in cars...
I am currently monitoring the fuel consumption to see the effect of the fix. VIDSEURO, is your fuel consumption remains the same??
Finally, hopefully more owners can share their experience here once they done the fix.

I am currently monitoring the fuel consumption to see the effect of the fix. VIDSEURO, is your fuel consumption remains the same??
Finally, hopefully more owners can share their experience here once they done the fix.[/QUOTE]

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I am absolutely satisfied with mu fuel consumption figures.
On highway cycle the euro will give back between 850 to 900 kms
on a full tank of 95 or 98 RON.
I suggest use 98 RON if you can afford it, as it will be better for your car in the long term. (better economy ansd small power increase, debatable)
Yesterday the Principal of my dealreship called me to ask about my experience
with picking up the car last week.
I told her honestly but said she should not blame the service guys at the service counter. ( i dont want to get offiside with them)
They have their job to do and thats fine with me.
Ok this lady was very reasonable and understood fully my concerns and advised me she will feed back to Hond Australia that the fix, did not help my euro.
I just also want to raise this point, its very difficult not to be emotional about this whole matter, but be careful that you do not come across as arrogant,
abusive, and intimidating when you speak to your dealership.
Remember its not their fault, and they are in the hands of the big guys
Honda A.
If you give them a hard time it will back fire.
I said to the lady that im willing to take time off work and meet up with the Honda Rep and speak with him directly and try to give some feedback.
Anyhow guys, like all of you pingers im dissapointed but Honda now has to come up with the goods or they will be in deep shyte....

have a read of the link below i found it interesting...

http://www.carsguide.com.au/site/sto...9/P0/#comments

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Originally Posted by VIDSEURO

I am currently monitoring the fuel consumption to see the effect of the fix. VIDSEURO, is your fuel consumption remains the same??
Finally, hopefully more owners can share their experience here once they done the fix.

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I am absolutely satisfied with mu fuel consumption figures.
On highway cycle the euro will give back between 850 to 900 kms
on a full tank of 95 or 98 RON.
I suggest use 98 RON if you can afford it, as it will be better for your car in the long term. (better economy ansd small power increase, debatable)
Yesterday the Principal of my dealreship called me to ask about my experience
with picking up the car last week.
I told her honestly but said she should not blame the service guys at the service counter. ( i dont want to get offiside with them)
They have their job to do and thats fine with me.
Ok this lady was very reasonable and understood fully my concerns and advised me she will feed back to Hond Australia that the fix, did not help my euro.
I just also want to raise this point, its very difficult not to be emotional about this whole matter, but be careful that you do not come across as arrogant,
abusive, and intimidating when you speak to your dealership.
Remember its not their fault, and they are in the hands of the big guys
Honda A.
If you give them a hard time it will back fire.
I said to the lady that im willing to take time off work and meet up with the Honda Rep and speak with him directly and try to give some feedback.
Anyhow guys, like all of you pingers im dissapointed but Honda now has to come up with the goods or they will be in deep shyte....

have a read of the link below i found it interesting...

http://www.carsguide.com.au/site/sto...9/P0/#comments[/QUOTE]

Also remember that Honda Australia's hands are tied by Honda Japan, I wouldn't be surprised if the guys at Honda A are just as frustrated with this problem as we are.

As for fuel consumption, I am currently # 879km on this tank of fuel .... no sign yet of low fuel warning light

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Originally Posted by buddah51au

This is not the news we were all hoping to hear. I believe you are 1 of the first to have the software update / knock sensor replacement carried out, so it will be interesting to hear your dealers comments on this matter. If this is replicated throughout future upgrades on the CU2's with this problem I believe Honda could possibly be in for a major recall worldwide, something that is very rare for this manufacturer & quite possibly a first. All I can advise to people with this problem is to make sure your dealership is aware of the problem, and get an invoice from them that it has been noted. By doing this you are legally covered against this problem indefinitely, even after manufacturer warranty expires.

That being said it is a major disappointment for those that have this problem, so let's try to dig a little deeper into the problem and try to think what differences there are between the engine in the CL9, CU2, and other K24 variants that don't have this problem. From the little research i have done the bottom end of most k24 series engines is very similar, so I can't see the problem being in that area as they are a strong, robust bottom end. What have they done to the K24Z3 engine in the CU2 that is different - a total redesign of the cylinder head in search of a little more power to try to counteract the weight increase in making the CU2 bigger. The biggest change is combining the exhaust manifold within the cylinder head casting. Is this the way of the future, i guess that is now debatable, although they did the same thing with the R18A in the 8th generation Civic & had no such problems, but that is a low output engine in comparison. I believe the reason behind doing this is to meet new stringent pollution regulations that allow the Calalytic Converter to be mounted directly to the Cylinder Head where the exhaust gas is hottest allowing the cat to do its job more efficiently. I tend to think that it is in this area where the problem lies, but bear in mind it is only a thought.

Most of us tend to think that 148KW from a CU2 is nothing special, but to emphasize how far modern engines have developed, lets compare that with what everyone wanted in my younger days - a Toana SLR 5000 - I guess a lot of u would be shocked to know that in standard trim it had an output of 161KW - a difference of 13kw from an engine twice the size of the CU2.

Getting back to the "Pinging" problem we are having with our CU2 autos, I don't know how much it varies from 1 vehicle to the next, all i can say is that while I do have the problem, it is very intermittent & I can go hundreds of kms between hearing the noise. Is this because i tend to drive with economy in mind & don't give the car a hard time too often? Impossible to answer, but a possibility.

It would be interesting to hear other thoughts on this.

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they also hav higher compression ratio im pretty sure. i hav heard one that has had the "fix" and u can get it to "ping" but only does it once then stops

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Originally Posted by evil R34

they also hav higher compression ratio im pretty sure. i hav heard one that has had the "fix" and u can get it to "ping" but only does it once then stops

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Yo evil....
unsure about what you are meaning by higher compression, "thats not news"
and why would the fix get it to ping once then stop...
Dude we are so lucky there isnt a f***in brass band under the bonnet
of the famous CU2.
If there was i'd be givint it back and heading to wollies for a packet of razer blades :eek:

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Originally Posted by buddah51au

The biggest change is combining the exhaust manifold within the cylinder head casting. Is this the way of the future, i guess that is now debatable, although they did the same thing with the R18A in the 8th generation Civic & had no such problems, but that is a low output engine in comparison. I believe the reason behind doing this is to meet new stringent pollution regulations that allow the Calalytic Converter to be mounted directly to the Cylinder Head where the exhaust gas is hottest allowing the cat to do its job more efficiently. I tend to think that it is in this area where the problem lies, but bear in mind it is only a thought.

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I mentioned the above on this forum earlier this year, but from the replies I got, it made me sound like I didn't know what I was talking about....

I have mentioned this to HA and they also thought I didn't know what I was talking about.

I have since spoken with a number of engineers and they have said that without testing it is hard to prove, however it is not far fetched, putting it simply, there is probably too much heat in the head/exhaust/cat and it is transferring over to the combustion area of the head....

As concerned as everyone seems to be with this problem i am sure it will be rectified one way or another. Just remember the fix has to come from Honda Japan. Honda Australia's hands are tied until the parent company finds the solution.

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Originally Posted by H.T

I mentioned the above on this forum earlier this year, but from the replies I got, it made me sound like I didn't know what I was talking about....

I have mentioned this to HA and they also thought I didn't know what I was talking about.

I have since spoken with a number of engineers and they have said that without testing it is hard to prove, however it is not far fetched, putting it simply, there is probably too much heat in the head/exhaust/cat and it is transferring over to the combustion area of the head....

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This is quite possible.If so i wonder what the fix will be!!

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Originally Posted by tony1234

This is quite possible.If so i wonder what the fix will be!!

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***** Rec'd today Wednesday*****

Dear Mr XXXXXX, your recent e-mail to Honda Australia has been passed to my attention and response. We are concerned that you are unhappy following the recent work carried out to your vehicle at Capital Honda as our representative was satisfied with your vehicle following the work that was carried out.

Feedback from customers who have received the countermeasure rectification has indicated further improvement after operating their vehicle for some time. This is because the relearn aspect of the engine management system adapts to particular customer driving styles and conditions.

Therefore, we recommend that you allow sufficient time for your vehicle to relearn and following several tank refills of premium fuel
(95RON or higher). This process is important to allow the engine management system of your vehicle to readjust to your individual driving style and conditions.

After following this advice you are still not satisfied with the engine operating noise level, then we would be pleased to arrange for our technical specialist to visit Canberra to reassess your vehicle at a mutually convenient time.
In the meanwhile, we will await your further advice.

Regards
Joe Gelsi
Customer Relations Manager
Honda Australia Pty Ltd
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I think this is a good approach, and i will do as they say... :)

BUDDAH's comment below

Getting back to the "Pinging" problem we are having with our CU2 autos, I don't know how much it varies from 1 vehicle to the next, all i can say is that while I do have the problem, it is very intermittent & I can go hundreds of kms between hearing the noise. Is this because i tend to drive with economy in mind & don't give the car a hard time too often? Impossible to answer, but a possibility.
It would be interesting to hear other thoughts on this.
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Its absolutely correct that economy is determined by driver habits.

Namely hard acceleration, floggin through the gears (thats my expression) will impact on what you get out of the tank.
With my euro i ran in the motor very carefully and even after 4,000 km's the
engine appeared to be tight (my view)
Anyhow the motor has loosened up heaps and as a passionate driver i like to
get the rpm's to 5000 and i havent been passed that.
Im very happy with my economy and look forward to posting some highway
figures next time im out of ACT...

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Anyhow the motor has loosened up heaps and as a passionate driver i like to get the rpm's to 5000 and i havent been passed that.

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What??..how is it possible that one man can have so much will power!!

I originally thought I didn't have the pinging issue with my Euro but that turned out to be wishful thinking. I've done around 3000+km now and I started noticing it around 2000km. It could have occurred earlier but I just never noticed it. At this point, i would say i have a very mild case of engine pinging because I can only hear it when I have my radio off and even when I can hear it, it's quite soft. As it doesn't get in the way of my driving pleasure, I probably will leave it until I hear more positive results from the fixed offered by HA.

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Originally Posted by VIDSEURO

BUDDAH's comment below

Getting back to the "Pinging" problem we are having with our CU2 autos, I don't know how much it varies from 1 vehicle to the next, all i can say is that while I do have the problem, it is very intermittent & I can go hundreds of kms between hearing the noise. Is this because i tend to drive with economy in mind & don't give the car a hard time too often? Impossible to answer, but a possibility.
It would be interesting to hear other thoughts on this.
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Its absolutely correct that economy is determined by driver habits.

Namely hard acceleration, floggin through the gears (thats my expression) will impact on what you get out of the tank.
With my euro i ran in the motor very carefully and even after 4,000 km's the
engine appeared to be tight (my view)
Anyhow the motor has loosened up heaps and as a passionate driver i like to
get the rpm's to 5000 and i havent been passed that.
Im very happy with my economy and look forward to posting some highway
figures next time im out of ACT...

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I still like to have fun from time to time & on several occasions have seen the high side of 7000RPM. On 1 occasion it seen 4,300 in top, those with CU2 auto's can work that 1 out.
So Basically i drive with economy in mind, but on the odd occasion ......

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Yo evil....
unsure about what you are meaning by higher compression, "thats not news"
and why would the fix get it to ping once then stop...
Dude we are so lucky there isnt a f***in brass band under the bonnet
of the famous CU2.
If there was i'd be givint it back and heading to wollies for a packet of razer blades :eek:

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well my thinking is with the software patch and new knock sensor (put in as "the fix") allow the "ping" 2 occure but then its retarded by the software/knock sensor so i only hear it once

I know on this page we have spoken a little about the economy of our CU2's. After refilling today (20 days between refills) I am wondering how far it would be possible to travel on 1 tank of fuel given the right conditions. I have just refilled after 920km on 1 tank, with the computer telling me 103km till empty. filling completely until fuel was visible in the filler neck took 62.87 Lts, which works out to be 6.83L/100km, unbelievable but accurate.

This also brings up the question of what is the true capacity of the fuel tank, supposedly it is 65 Lts, but i now suspect the filler neck holds an additional 5 or 6 liters given those figures. I am also certain that given the right road conditions traveling 1000 km on a single tank is not beyond belief, depending of course on the accuracy of the trip computer function of distance till empty. I will certainly put this to the test if I ever make the trip to Sydney again.

This also brings up the question of what is the true capacity of the fuel tank, supposedly it is 65 Lts, but i now suspect the filler neck holds an additional 5 or 6 liters given those figures. I am also certain that given the right road conditions traveling 1000 km on a single tank is not beyond belief, depending of course on the accuracy of the trip computer function of distance till empty. I will certainly put this to the test if I ever make the trip to Sydney again.[/QUOTE]


Hi Buddah

Mate i would be very interested in any figures you may have for highway cycle.
With the manul once you stick in 6th the euro just glides.
Of course Honda are renowned for producing good economy cars...:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by VIDSEURO

Hi Buddah

Mate i would be very interested in any figures you may have for highway cycle.
With the manul once you stick in 6th the euro just glides.
Of course Honda are renowned for producing good economy cars...:thumbsup:

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Buddah + MAnual Euro = The end of Hybrid & Diesel Cars...:angel:

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Originally Posted by denot

Buddah + MAnual Euro = The end of Hybrid & Diesel Cars...:angel:

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As much as i would prefer a manual Denot, I have no feeling in my left leg at all, so using a clutch becomes somewhat awkward.

As for the end of diesels, well i wouldn't mind 1 for a week.....how low could i get that......lol

While on the subject of fuel economy and capacity of CU2 - does anyone here notice that the car is a lot more sluggish and heavy on a full tank of fuel? Once the fuel runs down and especially towards half full and less, the car becomes more "livelier" to drive and does not feel so heavy?

As for the pinging problem, I only hear it every now and then and most of the time I don't hear it when I have the stereo on.

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Originally Posted by primetimex

While on the subject of fuel economy and capacity of CU2 - does anyone here notice that the car is a lot more sluggish and heavy on a full tank of fuel? Once the fuel runs down and especially towards half full and less, the car becomes more "livelier" to drive and does not feel so heavy?

As for the pinging problem, I only hear it every now and then and most of the time I don't hear it when I have the stereo on.

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I notice no difference in the performance of my CU2 cold or hot, that being said, i Never exceed 3,000RPM within the first 10km of a cold start as that is the absolute worst thing you can do to an engine.

Obviously a car will perform fractionally better with less weight on board, be it people, luggage or weight of fuel on board. But with fuel alone there should only be a very slight difference between a full and near empty tank - consider that 1 ltr of petrol weighs .83kg, so a full tank (65 lts) = 54kg. not enough to make a huge difference at all.

I am taking my 6 speed manual CU2 Euro from Melbourne to the border early next week. It will be mostly on the Hume so I will post up what sort of figures I get. I doubt that I will ever be able to touch the figures Buddah gets unless I get out and push.

Why not? I was able to get the following in my CL9. I posted this in another thread.

http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/u...609_114302.jpg

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Originally Posted by unity

Why not? I was able to get the following in my CL9. I posted this in another thread.

http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/u...609_114302.jpg

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LOL, for 106.3 km everyone can get 5.4l AVG

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LOL, for 106.3 km everyone can get 5.4l AVG

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Well that was on Melbourne freeways and that was the extent of my joryney. If I did the same journey 10 times as a continuous round trip the total trip would equate to 1060 kms. Would I expect the 5.4L/100kms to change that much? As far as I know the CL9 is not even rated at 5.4 for highway driving.
It just goes to show anything is possible.

STEVEH lives in Scoresby and probably only a few minutes away from Eastlink. Basically once on Eastlink he will be able to take freeways all the way to The Hume freeway, and with his journey comprising mostly of freeway driving there is no reason why he can't get figures similar to Buddah51 (just under 7L/100km). Also his car is manual too.

Next time you do a 100+ km trip on one of your freeways in Sydney then post your results.

5.4 for extended highway driving is not unrealistic for me, my only question would be is the CL9 trip Computer out by a similar margin to the CU2? If that is the case add approx 0.3 - 0.4 to the figure displayed. I have seen an indicated 6.1 over a short trip of 80km 0n flat highway running & it was still dropping when I got home.

The drive I intend to do 1 day, for those of you that know the road, 1s the Leighardt Hwy - Newell Hwy to Moree, then via Gunnedah to Willow Tree (that is the junction with the New England hwy). that is a journey of approx 1200km, on roads that are generally as flat as a billiard table with long distances between towns. It was using this route that i achieved 5.8 (actual) out of my FD1. Present indications point to the CU2 using 0.5 l/100 more than the FD1, so i can see a figure of around 6.3 from the CU2. If that were the case, the trip computer would be reading around 5.8.

But until i do the trip it is pure speculation, but quite feasible.

In reality, the economy from any 1 given trip only shows the potential of what the car is capable of, that's why i spend a couple of minutes after each fill up & update my spreadsheet. Therefore I always have a true & accurate log of all fuel used, and more importantly a true overall average fuel consumption over the life of the car.

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Originally Posted by buddah51au

5.4 for extended highway driving is not unrealistic for me, my only question would be is the CL9 trip Computer out by a similar margin to the CU2? If that is the case add approx 0.3 - 0.4 to the figure displayed. I have seen an indicated 6.1 over a short trip of 80km 0n flat highway running & it was still dropping when I got home.

The drive I intend to do 1 day, for those of you that know the road, 1s the Leighardt Hwy - Newell Hwy to Moree, then via Gunnedah to Willow Tree (that is the junction with the New England hwy). that is a journey of approx 1200km, on roads that are generally as flat as a billiard table with long distances between towns. It was using this route that i achieved 5.8 (actual) out of my FD1. Present indications point to the CU2 using 0.5 l/100 more than the FD1, so i can see a figure of around 6.3 from the CU2. If that were the case, the trip computer would be reading around 5.8.

But until i do the trip it is pure speculation, but quite feasable.

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I have no doubt that there is some degree of error with the trip computer on any car. I rarely ever make a trip on the freeway so I thought it would be interesting to see what sort of economy I got. Anyway this basically highlights that you can get excellent economy even in an automatic.

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Originally Posted by buddah51au

I notice no difference in the performance of my CU2 cold or hot, that being said, i Never exceed 3,000RPM within the first 10km of a cold start as that is the absolute worst thing you can do to an engine.

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Thanks for the feedback buddah, I'll continue monitoring and see how it goes with this CU2 sluggishness.

Also noted is don't exceed 3000RPM while cold (which I never do anyway), it is a good point.

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Originally Posted by primetimex

Thanks for the feedback buddah, I'll continue monitoring and see how it goes with this CU2 sluggishness.

Also noted is don't exceed 3000RPM while cold (which I never do anyway), it is a good point.

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ty for the feedback

I had an interesting discussion with my local Honda dealer this morning who indicated to me that he has had no news or technical bulletin regarding a fix for the post detonation "pinging" sound.

I also went on to mention my theory that the possibility of incorporating the exhaust manifold within the cyl head, along with raising the compression ratio, which in turn increases heat within the cyl head could have something to do with the problem. It was quite a lengthy discussion & quite technical & I sent him a pic of the rear of the cyl head to help outline my theory. Here is the reply email I received after he spoke of my views with ??????.

"Thanks John.
Checking over the parts catalogue, I can see the shape on the rear side of the head, which is true to your photo.
Per say your theorem is right, I think it may take a while for a fix, as re-developing a cylinder head would take time!
But yes, higher compression, higher temps, and the great Australian level of fuels, it all makes sense.
Think I’ll leave that to the boys at Honda Factory though
Cheers."

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Originally Posted by buddah51au

I had an interesting discussion with my local Honda dealer this morning who indicated to me that he has had no news or technical bulletin regarding a fix for the post detonation "pinging" sound.

I also went on to mention my theory that the possibility of incorporating the exhaust manifold within the cyl head, along with raising the compression ratio, which in turn increases heat within the cyl head could have something to do with the problem. It was quite a lengthy discussion & quite technical & I sent him a pic of the rear of the cyl head to help outline my theory. Here is the reply email I received after he spoke of my views with ??????.

"Thanks John.
Checking over the parts catalogue, I can see the shape on the rear side of the head, which is true to your photo.
Per say your theorem is right, I think it may take a while for a fix, as re-developing a cylinder head would take time!
But yes, higher compression, higher temps, and the great Australian level of fuels, it all makes sense.
Think I’ll leave that to the boys at Honda Factory though
Cheers."

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Nice going Buddah! :thumbsup:

I also contacted my local Honda dealer today and was advised no fix is available at this stage, he mention that Honda had applied the fix to a car in Canberra (Vidseuro I assume). :)

Keep up the feedback lads!

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Originally Posted by Joystick

Nice going Buddah! :thumbsup:
I also contacted my local Honda dealer today and was advised no fix is available at this stage, he mention that Honda had applied the fix to a car in Canberra (Vidseuro I assume). :)
Keep up the feedback lads!

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Gday Guys
Maybe my car was just a guinea pig for Honda.
If the (fix) computer correction was rolled out to all affected euros
and it didnt achieve the desired result it would be a warm pile of
corporate crap for Honda, these guys are being strategic about the whole thing...
I said to them i would report back in 1 month as my euro
computer has to learn to stop pinging...
You have to be aware this is being handled with caution, as it stands
HA has numerous customers upset, angry, confused...
Anyhow im gonna say give em a fair go and lets see what happens from here on.
I must say im hearing less of the ping now, but its the higher rev range when you start to push the car through the gears thts what im interested in.

I wish all my fellow pingers all the best, as a side point i think the euro
has the nicest rear end of most mid sized sedans
:cool:

They were my thoughts as well Vid. Don't forget HA are probably pissed off as well as they have no control over this problem until the parent company finds a solution. HA or for that matter the distributors of any imported car are basically only importers who handle a product for a parent company. Unfortunately they cop the flak when problems arise & believe me I have seen some classic probs over the years from several importers.

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Gday Guys
Maybe my car was just a guinea pig for Honda.
If the (fix) computer correction was rolled out to all affected euros
and it didnt achieve the desired result it would be a warm pile of
corporate crap for Honda, these guys are being strategic about the whole thing...
I said to them i would report back in 1 month as my euro
computer has to learn to stop pinging...
You have to be aware this is being handled with caution, as it stands
HA has numerous customers upset, angry, confused...
Anyhow im gonna say give em a fair go and lets see what happens from here on.
I must say im hearing less of the ping now, but its the higher rev range when you start to push the car through the gears thts what im interested in.

I wish all my fellow pingers all the best, as a side point i think the euro
has the nicest rear end of most mid sized sedans
:cool:

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I am in the situation exactly like you.
I am going to run the car for while and observe how things turn up.
It (the fix) definately cut down 90% or more of the pinging, which allow me to enjoy the car more! :cool:

jbowly i was reading wheels mag when i was getting my car washed. did u write a letter in to the editor?

Good day guys. Like you I'm a proud owner of a pinger. had the fix applied recently but I would have to say that the car still pings althougn I'm running on 98 Octane.

I have been told by Honda to give it some time so that the computer can adjust however, was curious to learn if whether or not you guys have seen any improvement in your vehichles with regrads to the pinging and or if it actually dissappears at all.

Let su know as mine seems to ping it's head off on an evening but not so much in the mornings believe it or not.

Also, have you guys come across a knocking noise when the car is in gear and rolling ?

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Originally Posted by Bilt

I have been told by Honda to give it some time so that the computer can adjust however, was curious to learn if whether or not you guys have seen any improvement in your vehichles with regrads to the pinging and or if it actually dissappears at all.

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I don't understand why it needs time to adjust. I thought the idea of a patch was to prevent the problem full stop. A proper fix should work immediately. They should be able to clear the ECU load the fix then presto no more ping.

I don't understand either as I am hearing from my dealer (who I have known personally for several years) that the fix has not yet been released.

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Originally Posted by buddah51au

I don't understand either as I am hearing from my dealer (who I have known personally for several years) that the fix has not yet been released.

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Hi Buddah

Personally my view is this just a break down in communication between
dealeships and the big HA.
On the point of the ping, on my car it will ping if the motor is cold but i do catch it pinging ever slightly on other occasions when i increase the revs.
Anyhow i giving HA 1 month then i will write them and the dealership my personal views.
Of course i am optimistic but with this one only (no pinging) will be the
the only outcome that customers want.
Othewise Honda is left with a euro that is defective and that can be pile of warm poo for them....:p

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Originally Posted by VIDSEURO

Hi Buddah

Personally my view is this just a break down in communication between
dealeships and the big HA.
On the point of the ping, on my car it will ping if the motor is cold but i do catch it pinging ever slightly on other occasions when i increase the revs.
Anyhow i giving HA 1 month then i will write them and the dealership my personal views.
Of course i am optimistic but with this one only (no pinging) will be the
the only outcome that customers want.
Othewise Honda is left with a euro that is defective and that can be pile of warm poo for them....:p

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Vid, I know for a fact that if there was a technical bulletin released regarding a fix I would know about it, but at this point in time know such bulletin exists. There is a possibility that HA have been asked to apply a possible fix to a few vehicles treating then as tests to get some feedback. IF THIS IS THE CASE it is obviously not working, so it is therefore back to Honda Japan to lift there game.

I still don't believe it to be a serious problem, but it is annoying for us owners. I am beginning to think that sooner or later there will be a major recall on this problem & the longer it takes to find a solution the more $$$$ it will cost Honda Japan.

Imagine the cost to Honda Japan if a different designed head was required. Eeek.

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Imagine the cost to Honda Japan if a different designed head was required. Eeek.

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Did Honda owners ask to be guinea pigs for testing of new head designs? Does the contract of sale state that you shall be involved in a testing program that they should have sorted before offering the car for sale? So what if the recall costs Honda money? They have as much loyalty to you as a customer as a tiger has to its prey.

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It's funny you mention that as it is the subject I was discussing with my dealer last week. If you scroll back you will see the email i received in reply. But if that is what is required in the end I am sure Honda Japan will step up to the plate.

I was told yesterday at my dealer that no fix has been released yet.

I had my car in the dealership for an unrelated matter (scratch / dint repair) last Thursday & I was advsied that a fix was being done on a number of vehicles there. This was John Blair Honda in Vic.

I did not ask why some vehicles were chosen for the fix amongst all the vehicles that are logged with the problem.

Had a call from my dealer today saying that there will be a software fix and new knock sensor late August/early September.

I won't hold my breath!

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Originally Posted by Tarsnakes

Had a call from my dealer today saying that there will be a software fix and new knock sensor late August/early September.

I won't hold my breath!

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This problem is not making sense to me, you say the fix will be late August / September, my dealer says there is no news as yet on a fix, but others are saying they have had it done & it is not 100% effective.

Like you I am not holding my breath, there are too many conflicting reports floating around. Mind you I am not that concerned about it as the car is perfect in every other way. I knew of the reports quoted on this forum before I brought my CU2 and even knowing what I know now would not have changed my mind about buying it.

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Originally Posted by buddah51au

This problem is not making sense to me, you say the fix will be late August / September, my dealer says there is no news as yet on a fix, but others are saying they have had it done & it is not 100% effective.

Like you I am not holding my breath, there are too many conflicting reports floating around. Mind you I am not that concerned about it as the car is perfect in every other way. I knew of the reports quoted on this forum before I brought my CU2 and even knowing what I know now would not have changed my mind about buying it.

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i cant speak for any1 outside ACT but both honda dealerships in canberra hav performed "the fix" on a couple of cars i can say cos i work at one of them and hav done it

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i cant speak for any1 outside ACT but both honda dealerships in canberra hav performed "the fix" on a couple of cars i can say cos i work at one of them and hav done it

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Hi there,

How was the result of the fix? I had my done month ago. I must said that it reduced the pinging significantly. However, from time to time, i still can hear "mild" pinging.
Just wondering whether you can provide some feedback on those car that you fixed.
Thanks!

I think we are all very interested in the outcome of this. My Dealer says they still have not received any information about it - surely there would be a Technical Bulletin.

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Originally Posted by eur001

Hi there,

How was the result of the fix? I had my done month ago. I must said that it reduced the pinging significantly. However, from time to time, i still can hear "mild" pinging.
Just wondering whether you can provide some feedback on those car that you fixed.
Thanks!

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the cars i hav had anything to to with hav stopped 99% of pinging can still be heard occasionally but only once then it goes away no customers hav come back yet to tell us if they still hear it

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Originally Posted by buddah51au

I think we are all very interested in the outcome of this. My Dealer says they still have not received any information about it - surely there would be a Technical Bulletin.

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will try and scan the bulletin onto computer and post it up next week:thumbsup:

That would be GREAT if you could post the service bulletin for the pinging issue. It might help me with my local dealer here in the states.

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Originally Posted by Tarsnakes

Had a call from my dealer today saying that there will be a software fix and new knock sensor late August/early September.

I won't hold my breath!

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Hi, Does anyone know if the "fix" is only for 08 built? or even some 09 built cars need this "fix" as well?

Just wondering if Honda production line started to fit this new (or revised) software and knock sensor? if so, from what month in 2009?
Apart from reducing/eliminating pinging, technically, will there be any other effect? (accelaration etc) Thanks

Oh, this might be covered before, any manual CU2 suffers from pinging? or its Auto only issue?

My manual pings, so it is not isolated to the autos

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Originally Posted by PNR888

Oh, this might be covered before, any manual CU2 suffers from pinging? or its Auto only issue?

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Sure has. Check out this thread for more info: http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107974

well people, I dont have to worry about pinging anymore




I have bought myself a new car and fingers crossed there are no problems. Please please please no problems

Dude what type of car did you get .....

Im seri arseley curious of your purchase ...:angel:

dont be angry at me. i still love honda

got a new wrx.... hatch of course. Sedan was hit by a fugly stick

Hey Shakkas

Congratulations mate..
I have previously thought about the WRX hatch but settled on the Honda.
Well enjoy the car and keep that turbo revving coz thats what its designed to do...
I must admit the interior of the WRX could have had some better styling
but thats how they churn them out.
All the best and safe driving..
Maybe post a few pics when you get it..:D

yea i must say euro interior shits all over wrx. But now i can finally put in one of those gps/dvd/bluetooth units in without wasting a screen or anything like that.

now have to wait 3 months for delivery. sighs :(
def will post some pics.

Congrats on the purchase, they are a tried & proven small sports sedan. Just keep an eye open for hidden cameras. I must say they are in a completely different class to what one would would consider as opposition to the Euro. Enjoy it when it comes & stay safe.

Yea it is in a different league. The insurance was an eye opener but I had prepared myself.

I loved the Euro but the pinging drove me insane, plus i had few incidents in it (none my fault) in less than a year.

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Originally Posted by shakkas

dont be angry at me. i still love honda

got a new wrx.... hatch of course. Sedan was hit by a fugly stick

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Congrats on the purchase. I'm considering selling my Euro as well. :(