NEW 2009 Euro Luxury Auto Pinging

[yfin]

And let me say that the AFR does not lie, there was a material difference in readings, power figures some, and if I saw the SAME car on the SAME dyno read different in a day by 20kw, in a NA car then yes, I would not believe the dyno was set up properly, the SAME dyno and different car, who knows...

So what you are expecting to see is that 2 Euros dynoed should show the same AFR ratios?

[VIDSEURO]

btw glad to see you back Buddah![/QUOTE]
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Likewise im glad to see you back Buddah. Your'e a good bloke and keep up the sharing of your knowledge with the rest of us apprentices

Ok Guys on Thursday my euro was delivered to CapitalHonda in Canberra
i picked it up in the arvo, and here is the classic case, the young ****y guy at the service counter, after asking him how is the pinger he knew which keys to give me, he said that (name) Honda Rep has done something and just handed me the keys. I did not get any paperwork or explanation as to what was done. The other senior chap tells me Honda will send you a letter letting you know what they did. So the bottom line is that the Honda Rep did not communicate much to the service department dudes and therefore these guys had nothing to tell me. ()

I have briefly driven the car and although it was pouring with rain on thursday
i was not able to hear the ping.

I should mention, and this is just my opinion im getting in the habit of warming up the engine within reason, as a cold engine will make the ping worse. (I think the VTEC likes to be warm) maybe you guys may think im talkin out my arse, its just an opinion ok...

Today driving to work i (thought) i heard the ping but cannot verify this altogether, as i have been a slightly parranoid dude with this euro, im sure you other pingers can understand this.

If you are taking your'e euro to have this problem fixed/corrected please ask them (service guys) to give you something, anything so that there is a written record of the event. As i said i didnt get it... Not to worry...

I apologise for the long winded post here, im in a good mood right now, and no i didnt have sex with the wife..just wanted to share my experience with ya's all...

On Saturday i will take the car for a good blast floggin it through the gears
to determine if ping still exists.

So whatever software or any other bizzo was applied to my euro on Thursday i believe it has significantly or altogether eliminated the ping shyte noise....

Look guys it's frustrating the car is pricey and what can i say i love it even with the noise, ive been angry, frustrated and anxious but im trying to find some middle ground, i also ride a motorbike maybe that's been a good remedy
for me...

I feel i have delivered good news and i hope you will have confident and favourable results when the Honda Rep arrives at your dealership.

On a different point, isnt the euro gearbox slick guys, bloody hell the stick
glides into position better than a porn stars shlong.

Ok i gotta get back to the footy its dragons V sydney city, im going for the dragons, coz they got wendell...

All the best and remember the best things in life are really free
like fresh air, sunshine yaddah yaddahh...

[eur001]

btw glad to see you back Buddah!

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Likewise im glad to see you back Buddah. Your'e a good bloke and keep up the sharing of your knowledge with the rest of us apprentices

Ok Guys on Thursday my euro was delivered to CapitalHonda in Canberra
i picked it up in the arvo, and here is the classic case, the young ****y guy at the service counter, after asking him how is the pinger he knew which keys to give me, he said that (name) Honda Rep has done something and just handed me the keys. I did not get any paperwork or explanation as to what was done. The other senior chap tells me Honda will send you a letter letting you know what they did. So the bottom line is that the Honda Rep did not communicate much to the service department dudes and therefore these guys had nothing to tell me. ()


Same here, they didn't give me any paper or document showing what they have done to my car. And seems like only the service manager knows what going around. Those guys in the service department didn't know anything about the fix when I returned call to the manager who asked me to bring my car in for the fix.
It's been few days now since they "fix" my car. I am happy with the result. The pinging is virtually gone, although I heard a very short and mild clicking sound occationally during hard acceleration (I have this from my subaru liberty as well).
Please share more of your experience here. I will continue to share my life after the "fix" here

I have briefly driven the car and although it was pouring with rain on thursday
i was not able to hear the ping.

I should mention, and this is just my opinion im getting in the habit of warming up the engine within reason, as a cold engine will make the ping worse. (I think the VTEC likes to be warm) maybe you guys may think im talkin out my arse, its just an opinion ok...

Today driving to work i (thought) i heard the ping but cannot verify this altogether, as i have been a slightly parranoid dude with this euro, im sure you other pingers can understand this.

If you are taking your'e euro to have this problem fixed/corrected please ask them (service guys) to give you something, anything so that there is a written record of the event. As i said i didnt get it... Not to worry...

I apologise for the long winded post here, im in a good mood right now, and no i didnt have sex with the wife..just wanted to share my experience with ya's all...

On Saturday i will take the car for a good blast floggin it through the gears
to determine if ping still exists.

So whatever software or any other bizzo was applied to my euro on Thursday i believe it has significantly or altogether eliminated the ping shyte noise....

Look guys it's frustrating the car is pricey and what can i say i love it even with the noise, ive been angry, frustrated and anxious but im trying to find some middle ground, i also ride a motorbike maybe that's been a good remedy
for me...

I feel i have delivered good news and i hope you will have confident and favourable results when the Honda Rep arrives at your dealership.

On a different point, isnt the euro gearbox slick guys, bloody hell the stick
glides into position better than a porn stars shlong.

Ok i gotta get back to the footy its dragons V sydney city, im going for the dragons, coz they got wendell...

All the best and remember the best things in life are really free
like fresh air, sunshine yaddah yaddahh...[/QUOTE]

[VIDSEURO]

Ok Guys

Here is the latest from my end here in the ACT.
I drove the car Saturday and Sunday, floggin it through the gears and sad to report
the ping sound is still there.
Im now just quite over this whole thing, the euro pings but its still a good car.
The ping will not damage the motor, according to Honda so i guess be hard on your car.
If you blow it up maybe it will be replaced. (extreme view)
It back to the drawing board and the Honda reps around Australia.
Im not sure how the rest of you other pingers will go with your Honda reps when the dealership calls you up.
Look im extremely pleased with the euro and this is a flaw im kind of getting used to.
The ball is now back in the Honda court, and quite frankly i have more significant
matters to think about than just my car.
I sincerely wish all of you guys well for the future, we all have had our fair share of comments, its been entertaining and enlightening.
Lets stay positive and optimistic thats the best i can come up with now.

[buddah51au]

Ok Guys

Here is the latest from my end here in the ACT.
I drove the car Saturday and Sunday, floggin it through the gears and sad to report
the ping sound is still there.
Im now just quite over this whole thing, the euro pings but its still a good car.
The ping will not damage the motor, according to Honda so i guess be hard on your car.
If you blow it up maybe it will be replaced. (extreme view)
It back to the drawing board and the Honda reps around Australia.
Im not sure how the rest of you other pingers will go with your Honda reps when the dealership calls you up.
Look im extremely pleased with the euro and this is a flaw im kind of getting used to.
The ball is now back in the Honda court, and quite frankly i have more significant
matters to think about than just my car.
I sincerely wish all of you guys well for the future, we all have had our fair share of comments, its been entertaining and enlightening.
Lets stay positive and optimistic thats the best i can come up with now.

This is not the news we were all hoping to hear. I believe you are 1 of the first to have the software update / knock sensor replacement carried out, so it will be interesting to hear your dealers comments on this matter. If this is replicated throughout future upgrades on the CU2's with this problem I believe Honda could possibly be in for a major recall worldwide, something that is very rare for this manufacturer & quite possibly a first. All I can advise to people with this problem is to make sure your dealership is aware of the problem, and get an invoice from them that it has been noted. By doing this you are legally covered against this problem indefinitely, even after manufacturer warranty expires.

That being said it is a major disappointment for those that have this problem, so let's try to dig a little deeper into the problem and try to think what differences there are between the engine in the CL9, CU2, and other K24 variants that don't have this problem. From the little research i have done the bottom end of most k24 series engines is very similar, so I can't see the problem being in that area as they are a strong, robust bottom end. What have they done to the K24Z3 engine in the CU2 that is different - a total redesign of the cylinder head in search of a little more power to try to counteract the weight increase in making the CU2 bigger. The biggest change is combining the exhaust manifold within the cylinder head casting. Is this the way of the future, i guess that is now debatable, although they did the same thing with the R18A in the 8th generation Civic & had no such problems, but that is a low output engine in comparison. I believe the reason behind doing this is to meet new stringent pollution regulations that allow the Calalytic Converter to be mounted directly to the Cylinder Head where the exhaust gas is hottest allowing the cat to do its job more efficiently. I tend to think that it is in this area where the problem lies, but bear in mind it is only a thought.

Most of us tend to think that 148KW from a CU2 is nothing special, but to emphasize how far modern engines have developed, lets compare that with what everyone wanted in my younger days - a Toana SLR 5000 - I guess a lot of u would be shocked to know that in standard trim it had an output of 161KW - a difference of 13kw from an engine twice the size of the CU2.

Getting back to the "Pinging" problem we are having with our CU2 autos, I don't know how much it varies from 1 vehicle to the next, all i can say is that while I do have the problem, it is very intermittent & I can go hundreds of kms between hearing the noise. Is this because i tend to drive with economy in mind & don't give the car a hard time too often? Impossible to answer, but a possibility.

It would be interesting to hear other thoughts on this.

[BatRambo]

Ok Guys

Here is the latest from my end here in the ACT.
I drove the car Saturday and Sunday, floggin it through the gears and sad to report
the ping sound is still there.
Im now just quite over this whole thing, the euro pings but its still a good car.
The ping will not damage the motor, according to Honda so i guess be hard on your car.
If you blow it up maybe it will be replaced. (extreme view)
It back to the drawing board and the Honda reps around Australia.
Im not sure how the rest of you other pingers will go with your Honda reps when the dealership calls you up.
Look im extremely pleased with the euro and this is a flaw im kind of getting used to.
The ball is now back in the Honda court, and quite frankly i have more significant
matters to think about than just my car.
I sincerely wish all of you guys well for the future, we all have had our fair share of comments, its been entertaining and enlightening.
Lets stay positive and optimistic thats the best i can come up with now.

It's bit weird. On friday I spoke to my dealership, then second dealership and after that to HONDA Australia. All parties confirmed fix for PINGING issue is not available. I read few ppl in this forum receive their recall calls, r u guys sure there is fix (I mean something like fix) or someone here is confused (members in forum or HONDA AUstralia) the whole story sounds very very weird

[eur001]

Ok Guys

Here is the latest from my end here in the ACT.
I drove the car Saturday and Sunday, floggin it through the gears and sad to report
the ping sound is still there.
Im now just quite over this whole thing, the euro pings but its still a good car.
The ping will not damage the motor, according to Honda so i guess be hard on your car.
If you blow it up maybe it will be replaced. (extreme view)
It back to the drawing board and the Honda reps around Australia.
Im not sure how the rest of you other pingers will go with your Honda reps when the dealership calls you up.
Look im extremely pleased with the euro and this is a flaw im kind of getting used to.
The ball is now back in the Honda court, and quite frankly i have more significant
matters to think about than just my car.
I sincerely wish all of you guys well for the future, we all have had our fair share of comments, its been entertaining and enlightening.
Lets stay positive and optimistic thats the best i can come up with now.

Its been few days now since the update.
1st of all, i didnt get any document or paper from the dealer on the job done either. The service manager just told me that they updated the software and changed knock sensor. Other owners please share if you manage to get any black and white from the dealer after your "fix".
Hand on heart, i still hear very very mild pinging sound from the engine very very occationally. However, i am not going to borther much as similar ping happen to my subaru liberty occationally. I guess it does happen in cars...
I am currently monitoring the fuel consumption to see the effect of the fix. VIDSEURO, is your fuel consumption remains the same??
Finally, hopefully more owners can share their experience here once they done the fix.

[VIDSEURO]

I am currently monitoring the fuel consumption to see the effect of the fix. VIDSEURO, is your fuel consumption remains the same??
Finally, hopefully more owners can share their experience here once they done the fix.[/QUOTE]

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I am absolutely satisfied with mu fuel consumption figures.
On highway cycle the euro will give back between 850 to 900 kms
on a full tank of 95 or 98 RON.
I suggest use 98 RON if you can afford it, as it will be better for your car in the long term. (better economy ansd small power increase, debatable)
Yesterday the Principal of my dealreship called me to ask about my experience
with picking up the car last week.
I told her honestly but said she should not blame the service guys at the service counter. ( i dont want to get offiside with them)
They have their job to do and thats fine with me.
Ok this lady was very reasonable and understood fully my concerns and advised me she will feed back to Hond Australia that the fix, did not help my euro.
I just also want to raise this point, its very difficult not to be emotional about this whole matter, but be careful that you do not come across as arrogant,
abusive, and intimidating when you speak to your dealership.
Remember its not their fault, and they are in the hands of the big guys
Honda A.
If you give them a hard time it will back fire.
I said to the lady that im willing to take time off work and meet up with the Honda Rep and speak with him directly and try to give some feedback.
Anyhow guys, like all of you pingers im dissapointed but Honda now has to come up with the goods or they will be in deep shyte....

have a read of the link below i found it interesting...

http://www.carsguide.com.au/site/sto...9/P0/#comments

[buddah51au]

I am currently monitoring the fuel consumption to see the effect of the fix. VIDSEURO, is your fuel consumption remains the same??
Finally, hopefully more owners can share their experience here once they done the fix.

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I am absolutely satisfied with mu fuel consumption figures.
On highway cycle the euro will give back between 850 to 900 kms
on a full tank of 95 or 98 RON.
I suggest use 98 RON if you can afford it, as it will be better for your car in the long term. (better economy ansd small power increase, debatable)
Yesterday the Principal of my dealreship called me to ask about my experience
with picking up the car last week.
I told her honestly but said she should not blame the service guys at the service counter. ( i dont want to get offiside with them)
They have their job to do and thats fine with me.
Ok this lady was very reasonable and understood fully my concerns and advised me she will feed back to Hond Australia that the fix, did not help my euro.
I just also want to raise this point, its very difficult not to be emotional about this whole matter, but be careful that you do not come across as arrogant,
abusive, and intimidating when you speak to your dealership.
Remember its not their fault, and they are in the hands of the big guys
Honda A.
If you give them a hard time it will back fire.
I said to the lady that im willing to take time off work and meet up with the Honda Rep and speak with him directly and try to give some feedback.
Anyhow guys, like all of you pingers im dissapointed but Honda now has to come up with the goods or they will be in deep shyte....

have a read of the link below i found it interesting...

http://www.carsguide.com.au/site/sto...9/P0/#comments[/QUOTE]

Also remember that Honda Australia's hands are tied by Honda Japan, I wouldn't be surprised if the guys at Honda A are just as frustrated with this problem as we are.

As for fuel consumption, I am currently # 879km on this tank of fuel .... no sign yet of low fuel warning light

[evil R34]

This is not the news we were all hoping to hear. I believe you are 1 of the first to have the software update / knock sensor replacement carried out, so it will be interesting to hear your dealers comments on this matter. If this is replicated throughout future upgrades on the CU2's with this problem I believe Honda could possibly be in for a major recall worldwide, something that is very rare for this manufacturer & quite possibly a first. All I can advise to people with this problem is to make sure your dealership is aware of the problem, and get an invoice from them that it has been noted. By doing this you are legally covered against this problem indefinitely, even after manufacturer warranty expires.

That being said it is a major disappointment for those that have this problem, so let's try to dig a little deeper into the problem and try to think what differences there are between the engine in the CL9, CU2, and other K24 variants that don't have this problem. From the little research i have done the bottom end of most k24 series engines is very similar, so I can't see the problem being in that area as they are a strong, robust bottom end. What have they done to the K24Z3 engine in the CU2 that is different - a total redesign of the cylinder head in search of a little more power to try to counteract the weight increase in making the CU2 bigger. The biggest change is combining the exhaust manifold within the cylinder head casting. Is this the way of the future, i guess that is now debatable, although they did the same thing with the R18A in the 8th generation Civic & had no such problems, but that is a low output engine in comparison. I believe the reason behind doing this is to meet new stringent pollution regulations that allow the Calalytic Converter to be mounted directly to the Cylinder Head where the exhaust gas is hottest allowing the cat to do its job more efficiently. I tend to think that it is in this area where the problem lies, but bear in mind it is only a thought.

Most of us tend to think that 148KW from a CU2 is nothing special, but to emphasize how far modern engines have developed, lets compare that with what everyone wanted in my younger days - a Toana SLR 5000 - I guess a lot of u would be shocked to know that in standard trim it had an output of 161KW - a difference of 13kw from an engine twice the size of the CU2.

Getting back to the "Pinging" problem we are having with our CU2 autos, I don't know how much it varies from 1 vehicle to the next, all i can say is that while I do have the problem, it is very intermittent & I can go hundreds of kms between hearing the noise. Is this because i tend to drive with economy in mind & don't give the car a hard time too often? Impossible to answer, but a possibility.

It would be interesting to hear other thoughts on this.

they also hav higher compression ratio im pretty sure. i hav heard one that has had the "fix" and u can get it to "ping" but only does it once then stops

[VIDSEURO]

they also hav higher compression ratio im pretty sure. i hav heard one that has had the "fix" and u can get it to "ping" but only does it once then stops

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Yo evil....
unsure about what you are meaning by higher compression, "thats not news"
and why would the fix get it to ping once then stop...
Dude we are so lucky there isnt a f***in brass band under the bonnet
of the famous CU2.
If there was i'd be givint it back and heading to wollies for a packet of razer blades

[H.T]

The biggest change is combining the exhaust manifold within the cylinder head casting. Is this the way of the future, i guess that is now debatable, although they did the same thing with the R18A in the 8th generation Civic & had no such problems, but that is a low output engine in comparison. I believe the reason behind doing this is to meet new stringent pollution regulations that allow the Calalytic Converter to be mounted directly to the Cylinder Head where the exhaust gas is hottest allowing the cat to do its job more efficiently. I tend to think that it is in this area where the problem lies, but bear in mind it is only a thought.

I mentioned the above on this forum earlier this year, but from the replies I got, it made me sound like I didn't know what I was talking about....

I have mentioned this to HA and they also thought I didn't know what I was talking about.

I have since spoken with a number of engineers and they have said that without testing it is hard to prove, however it is not far fetched, putting it simply, there is probably too much heat in the head/exhaust/cat and it is transferring over to the combustion area of the head....