[Euro] Hondata Update

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18-07-2007, 08:12 PM
tony1234

Quote:

Originally Posted by yfin

I like how all the hondata prototype spies have come out of the woodwork... :D

I think $5k for all bolt ons etc to go a little faster in a straight line is not good value. I can't see the Euro pulling a sub 14 or something really special anytime soon without turbo / supercharger. My guess is it will pull a mid 14 or thereabouts and that is with everything i/h/e flash.

But I guess it depends on what people see as priorities - I see working on suspension, sway and bracing as better bang for buck.

Base reflash is the way to go I think for most people. That is where the value is. At least you can sell the car in that tune without stuffing around with future reflashes.

I agree.I was originally going to get the lot(I/H.E+reflash)but now i'm only going to get the reflash.1k for approx.18kw ATW is really good value but to get another 25 kw ATW(approx.)you've got to spend another 3.5k??:eek:This is working on the assumption that a stock man.Euro makes 110 kw ATW and a JTUNE Euro with I/H/E+reflash makes 155kw ATW!!
18-07-2007, 09:22 PM
Omotesando

Somehow I dont think its possible to go from 110KW ATW to 155KW ATW on the Euro. Its not designed to be revved crazy and without doing higher RPMS it just wouldn't pull those sorts of power increases. Depends on the base dyno figures really..

You know what Australia needs? A 6 cylinder RWD vehicle with perfect chassis balance, really great fuel consumption, EPS/Traction Control, powers from naught to hundred in 6.5-7.0.

The closest I could think of is a Holden V6 but its got a crap chassis unfortunately.
EDIT: wouldnt say its crap but its not as great as its V8 brothers like the SS and R8s plus it aint sporty comfort enough.

If we could buy this car, who's going to bother upgrading the Euro... lol.
18-07-2007, 09:39 PM
mr747

just hurry up now this has been forever
18-07-2007, 10:28 PM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by hengis

Yes I am running the china knockoff headers with a double-layered flex pipe.
Yes I run an inefficient piggyback ECU.

But you have missed the point aaronng. The point is, Hondata will deliver competitive pricing and performance against the biggest brand names.

I indicated that Hondata delivers good value in terms competitive pricing and performance even against the biggest names in the industry.
You indicated in this reply that it was not competitive...

"If you dig up the old thread, the I/H/E + hondata package was about 4k+. That was a long time ago. Not sure about the price now.

Hmm, Toda headers ($1400ish), K&N CAI ($400ish), BC catback ($1000), highflow cat ($400), ECU+tuning ($1000ish). No where near $3k man...."

and provided a list of premium aftermarket modifications that you claim came only to less than $3000 (with a questionable ECU solution+tuning coming at $1000). in actual fact, that list adds up to $4200.

Read my post again. I was challenging r-r-redEuro's post:

Quote:

Originally Posted by r-r-redEuro

lol id say about 3G ? hmm so the hondata would be cheaper.. how cheaper ? or is that the question everyone is asking ?

I was saying it was not as cheap as 3k and that it was over 4k. Why are you being so defensive all of a sudden? ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by hengis

In my post, I challenged you to find an aftermarket ECU solution for $1000. I also listed my mods to show that overall I have the biggest brand names on my car (bar the headers), and indicated the power output and cost is not as competitive as the HONDATA setup. Even if I did have a TODA header, that aftermarket setup would cost even more than a fully integrated Hondata system.

You cannot call this setup a competitive setup in price power output vs the Hondata setup, aaronng:

Motech ECU+tuning 4000ish+600ish tune
Buddyclub CBE 1000ish
K&N CAI 400ish
?higherflow? cat 400ish
Toda headers 1400ish

total cost: 7,800

LOL, as I said, I was letting r-r-redEuro know the estimate price of good quality mods and that they were not as cheap as 3k. Why did you think that I listed the 4k motec as an example? To show that good mods are not cheap. I'm not saying that Hondata is expensive. I'm saying that it is in line with the pricing of the competition. :)
18-07-2007, 10:46 PM
r-r-redEuro

lol thanks for that aaronng and hengis my minds clear on what i want to spend the bucks for KW at. both ways seem to be good just let me win the lotto next week, or get the links at the casino AHAH. cheers to you both.
18-07-2007, 10:50 PM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by r-r-redEuro

T_T im so confused. hengis are you able to tell me if the hondata is cheaper then putting the whole I/H/E system ?

btw aaronng, are having the BC catback and highflow cat worthwhile? what exactly do they do, sorry for the noob question and for it being abit off topic. my apology.

If you can wait, then wait til Hondata/Jtune releases the prices and details on their products. Decide then. From the early pics of the Jtune headers and exhaust, they looked really nice.
19-07-2007, 02:58 PM
ginganggooly

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony1234

This is working on the assumption that a stock man.Euro makes 110 kw ATW and a JTUNE Euro with I/H/E+reflash makes 155kw ATW!!

As far as I'm aware, they've been using a hub dyno. Did the car make 110kw at the hubs before tuning and 155kw after tuning??

I'd be interested to see before and after 1/4 mile times.

A bit of information overload in this thread... hehehe
19-07-2007, 04:04 PM
Unkie

Haha It's more speculation overload, and information underload!
19-07-2007, 05:36 PM
Peekay34

Quote:

Originally Posted by ginganggooly

As far as I'm aware, they've been using a hub dyno. Did the car make 110kw at the hubs before tuning and 155kw after tuning??

I'd be interested to see before and after 1/4 mile times.

A bit of information overload in this thread... hehehe

Yes it was done on a Hub dyno before and after. BTW We are over the 155KW range now and have gained more power.

The other thing is to consider that 1/4 times can alter depending on suspension setup. My test car runs standard shocks so unfortunitly as the wheels chatter a little to much due to the massive increase in tourque and power on initial take off it affects the time. We have done a 1/4 mile test run last weekend in fact at Heathcote. The car did reach 100 mph in the 1/4 and it would have been faster if not for the traction issues.
19-07-2007, 06:26 PM
jooboo

Wow that’s one very fast Euro !! 100mph in a 4 cylinder family car which is well over 1.5 tons, that’s one powerful Accord Euro, get the suspension sorted and a high 13 second pass will be very doable. I wish I had a Euro.
19-07-2007, 07:03 PM
yfin

Quote:

Originally Posted by jooboo

family car which is well over 1.5 tons

Nah - base euro is around 1390kg
19-07-2007, 07:16 PM
sodaz

Quote:

Originally Posted by yfin

Nah - base euro is around 1390kg

Peekay34 has the Luxury version which i think is 1430kg (about the same as a Euro Std Auto).

Hey Peekay34, 155kw atw, is that with I/H/E and Hondata reflash?
19-07-2007, 07:22 PM
yfin

Quote:

Originally Posted by sodaz

Peekay34 has the Luxury version which i think is 1430kg (about the same as a Euro Std Auto).

exactly - so if Peekay can post a low to mid 14, for example, there is room for improvement in the base model :) BTW I have no idea what time the car has run but you can get a rough idea from the power and trap speed. Sounds like an engine torque damper and stiffer suspension would help too. Good to see you have your car back Peekay after being the test mule for so long.
19-07-2007, 07:25 PM
mr747

this package is sounding better and better every day
19-07-2007, 09:31 PM
Peekay34

Quote:

Originally Posted by sodaz

Peekay34 has the Luxury version which i think is 1430kg (about the same as a Euro Std Auto).

Hey Peekay34, 155kw atw, is that with I/H/E and Hondata reflash?

I had the JTUNE Headers/Intake/Exhaust high flow cat and re-Flash. We could have cheated with stiffer suspension Torque damper and strut brace and also reducing the weight...by pulling seats and the like (which we didn't do)...but since I don't have any of these on the car except for lowered springs..... you could certainly do better times than we did... not that it was a slouch. Not quite back yet..also I have added weight..... Body kit as well and tissue box in the back seat....lol. BTW my sticker says 1550KG on rego sticker. Exact speed was 102 mph. But there is more information to follow.... Web site will be out soon .... James has just had a new baby (well his partner did...bit had to see him squeezing one out...unless you include JTUNE) which also delayed the process. Also some delay with his graphic designer...... JTUNE will be out very soon....
19-07-2007, 09:42 PM
yfin

164kph!! haha This is hillarious. In stock form you are lucky to beat 145kph. We have gone for 3 years without anyone cracking a low 15 over the 1/4 and Peekay is going to get a mid 14 I just know it.... Awesome for a n/a 4 pot, 4 door sedan.
19-07-2007, 09:57 PM
jooboo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peekay34

I had the JTUNE Headers/Intake/Exhaust high flow cat and re-Flash. We could have cheated with stiffer suspension Torque damper and strut brace and also reducing the weight...by pulling seats and the like (which we didn't do)...but since I don't have any of these on the car except for lowered springs..... you could certainly do better times than we did... not that it was a slouch. Not quite back yet..also I have added weight..... Body kit as well and tissue box in the back seat....lol. BTW my sticker says 1550KG on rego sticker. Exact speed was 102 mph. But there is more information to follow.... Web site will be out soon .... James has just had a new baby (well his partner did...bit had to see him squeezing one out...unless you include JTUNE) which also delayed the process. Also some delay with his graphic designer...... JTUNE will be out very soon....

Awesome Awesome Awesome Awesome Awesome JTUNE, Peekay34 you have done VERY well.
20-07-2007, 08:46 AM
Pumped

:)
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20-07-2007, 09:35 AM
ginganggooly

If a euro can crack a 13 without major internal work, I am going to keep the sucker and modify it rather than buy a new car.

I'm now watching this with interest :)
20-07-2007, 01:54 PM
rhettzor

Thanks for the info Peekay. Its getting really exciting now!
20-07-2007, 02:33 PM
Chris_F

102mph is great...

I'd love to see a euro with this engine package that weighs as much as the 5zigen CL7 race car (1050kg) :D
20-07-2007, 02:47 PM
ok2

Does any one know if it now is available for 2006 and / or 2007 Euros ? (thought I read elsewhere it only was for cars up to 2005.

For me, I have a 2006 Standard Manual so that's what I need support for.
20-07-2007, 04:33 PM
BusterSonic12

AWESOME 155kw+

but i will probably just get the reflash since i don't wanna part off my current mods. is the vafc still useful with the reflash because the ecu is not optimum with the stuff we have ourself, so can we use the vafc to make the reflash even better?
20-07-2007, 06:30 PM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peekay34

I had the JTUNE Headers/Intake/Exhaust high flow cat and re-Flash. We could have cheated with stiffer suspension Torque damper and strut brace and also reducing the weight...by pulling seats and the like (which we didn't do)...but since I don't have any of these on the car except for lowered springs..... you could certainly do better times than we did... not that it was a slouch. Not quite back yet..also I have added weight..... Body kit as well and tissue box in the back seat....lol. BTW my sticker says 1550KG on rego sticker. Exact speed was 102 mph. But there is more information to follow.... Web site will be out soon .... James has just had a new baby (well his partner did...bit had to see him squeezing one out...unless you include JTUNE) which also delayed the process. Also some delay with his graphic designer...... JTUNE will be out very soon....

Nice. Remember, your headers and exhaust which are made from stainless steel would be MUCH lighter than stock, so you would get some nice weight reduction there.
20-07-2007, 07:49 PM
sodaz

Quote:

Originally Posted by BusterSonic12

AWESOME 155kw+

but i will probably just get the reflash since i don't wanna part off my current mods. is the vafc still useful with the reflash because the ecu is not optimum with the stuff we have ourself, so can we use the vafc to make the reflash even better?

The reflash itself should boost the power of your existing mods (if it's like the US version of Hondata) but will probably render your VAFC useless.
20-07-2007, 08:36 PM
BusterSonic12

Quote:

Originally Posted by sodaz

The reflash itself should boost the power of your existing mods (if it's like the US version of Hondata) but will probably render your VAFC useless.

so i guess i can start selling my apex neo =)
20-07-2007, 09:39 PM
Omotesando

Jesus if this mod really can push the Euro Accord to 102mph on the 0-400m then I take back what I said before....

That is a very significant difference and potential 13's time.
20-07-2007, 10:17 PM
yfin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omotesando

Jesus if this mod really can push the Euro Accord to 102mph on the 0-400m then I take back what I said before....

That is a very significant difference and potential 13's time.

Tough car to launch off the line though to get a 13. Even in stock form wheel hop is easy to induce with just 3000rpm. Imagine what Peekays car is like!
20-07-2007, 10:45 PM
aaronng

That's why it needs a torque damper. :)

Using those calculators online, it's about 14.1 with 1390kg and 155kW atw. So to get 13.99, it's time to lose some weight.
20-07-2007, 11:03 PM
Omotesando

Well regardless of the the calculator if it can do consistently 102mph's you'll be mixing it with the LS1s and LS2 holdens which do similar mphs.

Yes FWD is much harder to launch off line but if you're talking about overtaking power here... I've been overtaken by XR6Ts and SSs as if I'm not moving in stock form. Now we're talking about suddenly upping the game to their levels. Wouldn't want to know the torque steer effects though.
21-07-2007, 09:48 AM
yfin

^^ that is true - trap speed is a good indicator of power to weight as it shows how well the car accelerates once it has traction. So rolling this is where you will see the best results.

I think you are selling the LS2 a bit short though- typically 170+kph at the trap is what they achieve.
21-07-2007, 11:37 AM
sodaz

I'm very interested in 3rd gear 80-120km performance. That should be a good indicator of rolling acceleration.
22-07-2007, 12:29 PM
rhettzor

Did everyone see the new posts in a few sections about the Euro on the hondata forums? Also noticed in James' sig "www.JTUNE.com.au - Coming VERY SOON". I checked out the JTUNE website but it doesn't return anything yet, hopefully something will come shortly :)

Check out the new posts:
ECU Re-Flashes
http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/fo...play.php?f=162

Cold Air Induction Systems
http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/fo...play.php?f=161

Headers & Exhaust Systems
http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/fo...play.php?f=160

Looks like manual and auto 03-07 models will get some HONDATA love :thumbsup:
22-07-2007, 12:32 PM
enkay

wow, mayb its comin real soon! amazing =D
22-07-2007, 04:16 PM
BiLL|z0r

Fingers crossed. Shame he can't spell (comming soon, lol, I hope not)
22-07-2007, 05:24 PM
BusterSonic12

let's hope this time is serious =) i see they got the reflash for 06 auto WEEHOO~~~**!!!!! yayayaya
23-07-2007, 07:39 AM
tony1234

How long is soon???I'll believe it when i see it.plus us 06-07 owners will have to wait another couple of mths. MORE after the 03-05 reflash is released.:thumbdwn:
23-07-2007, 07:49 AM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony1234

How long is soon???I'll believe it when i see it.plus us 06-07 owners will have to wait another couple of mths. MORE after the 03-05 reflash is released.:thumbdwn:

From their forum thread, it seems they are preparing reflashes for 03-07 so that all of them are available when they are released.
23-07-2007, 09:33 AM
tony1234

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaronng

From their forum thread, it seems they are preparing reflashes for 03-07 so that all of them are available when they are released.

I hope you're right Aaron but from my understanding when i spoke to James approx.i mth.ago reflashes for 03-05 will be released 1st.then approx.2 mths.after 06-07 reflash.:confused:
23-07-2007, 08:55 PM
Suntzu

These gains all the way to 155kw seem a LOT better than the USA hondata! Ive read a few dozen threads on theirs at the relevant tsx forums and they seem to be getting modest 20kw increases. Wonder why we seem to be doing a lot better...?
23-07-2007, 08:58 PM
yfin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suntzu

These gains all the way to 155kw seem a LOT better than the USA hondata! Ive read a few dozen threads on theirs at the relevant tsx forums and they seem to be getting modest 20kw increases. Wonder why we seem to be doing a lot better...?

In the USA they only have 1 flash and it is designed to suit unmodified CL9s. I think you will find something similar here - the junior burgerbasic flash will be ho-hum in outright gains (but you will get a different power delivery like the USA). So it will be an improvement but the car is likely to still run 15s over the 1/4.

The full Big Mac in Oz to get the 155+kw at the hub requires all the jtune bolt ons, intake, header, zorst, high flow cat, flash. That is why it is going to require quite a bit of money spent up front.
26-07-2007, 02:19 PM
adammet04

cool we are using analogies again in this thread ! lol..

I hope they can start giving us some real details soon about these packages..
26-07-2007, 08:43 PM
yfin

Quote:

Originally Posted by adammet04

I hope they can start giving us some real details soon about these packages..

At least they are not committing to dates anymore.
26-07-2007, 09:02 PM
tony1234

Quote:

Originally Posted by yfin

At least they are not committing to dates anymore.

So.We wait and wait and wait.:thumbdwn:
26-07-2007, 09:23 PM
Omotesando

Does anyone know when is the new Euro coming out? The completely new one I presume not face-lifted one.

I lost track, not a very loyal Honda customer as yet.
26-07-2007, 09:24 PM
yfin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omotesando

Does anyone know when is the new Euro coming out? The completely new one I presume not face-lifted one.

I lost track, not a very loyal Honda customer as yet.

Hard to say exactly - some say 2008, some say 2009. I think we will get a good idea when the 2008 model is released in Japan.
27-07-2007, 10:26 PM
Omotesando

Cool. I'm really weighing up my options now to be honest.

Might be time to sell the Euro but not sure. Part of it to do with Hondata I guess.
28-07-2007, 01:21 AM
EuroAccord13

Met up with Peekay for lunch this week and it's all in good order so you'll see the release pretty soon....
28-07-2007, 08:58 AM
johnprocter

lol like we have heard that one before
31-07-2007, 11:44 AM
Peekay34

Web release in approx 3 weeks or less.... If there are no delays.
31-07-2007, 11:49 AM
Suntzu

Actually they have released another video verifying these gains on a dyno yesterday. See here
Im getting keen again on this actually if it really does show up in a month.
31-07-2007, 11:52 AM
Pumped

:) sweet, lets hope this is it :-)
31-07-2007, 11:54 AM
Pumped

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suntzu

Actually they have released another video verifying these gains on a dyno yesterday. See here h:)

ROFL WTF, GG
31-07-2007, 12:04 PM
BusterSonic12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peekay34

Web release in approx 3 weeks or less.... If there are no delays.

that's good news~!! fkn hell, my hsc trials in 3weeks :mad:
31-07-2007, 12:26 PM
BiLL|z0r

[quote=Suntzu;1276338]Actually they have released another video verifying these gains on a dyno yesterday. See here

LOL, you're a tool. Gimme back 3 seonds of my life.
31-07-2007, 11:12 PM
Omotesando

Ditto that.
01-08-2007, 12:24 AM
EuroAccord13

Just a reminder that this is a SPAM FREE thread....
01-08-2007, 07:48 AM
tony1234

I'll believe it when i see the group buy posted on his site with exact pricing and firm delivery dates.:zip:
11-08-2007, 05:33 PM
^__^ SM ^__^

Hi. Sorry for hijacking this thread.

Today while at the dealer, a service tech told me that he had a euro come in that was heavily modded to give 184kW AT THE WHEEL!

Can the Hondata gear give this kind of gains?
11-08-2007, 05:37 PM
yfin

Quote:

Originally Posted by ^__^ SM ^__^

Hi. Sorry for hijacking this thread.

Today while at the dealer, a service tech told me that he had a euro come in that was heavily modded to give 184kW AT THE WHEEL!

Can the Hondata gear give this kind of gains?

Unlikely unless it has forced induction.
11-08-2007, 06:04 PM
mr747

i find that hard to believe

maybe at the flywheel
11-08-2007, 06:13 PM
Peekay34

Quote:

Originally Posted by ^__^ SM ^__^

Hi. Sorry for hijacking this thread.

Today while at the dealer, a service tech told me that he had a euro come in that was heavily modded to give 184kW AT THE WHEEL!

Can the Hondata gear give this kind of gains?

Was it Essendon Honda BTW????
11-08-2007, 06:43 PM
BusterSonic12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peekay34

Was it Essendon Honda BTW????

don't tell me it was your euro hahaha
11-08-2007, 07:46 PM
^__^ SM ^__^

Woahhh... I have a SPY!! ;) Is it your car Peeekay
11-08-2007, 09:15 PM
E-Gene

Haha, it probably was Peekay's.
12-08-2007, 01:00 AM
Suntzu

Looks like a release may be soon. Im getting hopeful again. Hope its for real this time.
12-08-2007, 06:17 PM
tony1234

Don't hold your breath.How many times has the release date been pushed forward???:(
12-08-2007, 06:20 PM
yfin

Quote:

Originally Posted by E-Gene

Haha, it probably was Peekay's.

184kw at the hubs would be fantastic - that is like 170kw at the wheels. More than a Mazda 3MPS.

Just not sure whether the Euro has the ability to put that power to the ground in the lower gears.
12-08-2007, 07:04 PM
mr747

if this package has that much power i will pay for it now
12-08-2007, 07:09 PM
r-r-redEuro

dont think so, look at peekays mods its HEAVY modded.
12-08-2007, 07:57 PM
E-Gene

Quote:

Originally Posted by r-r-redEuro

dont think so, look at peekays mods its HEAVY modded.

How is his car heavily modded? All it really has in terms of performace mods is the Hondata package of I/H/E + reflash.
12-08-2007, 09:11 PM
badthing

i smell cams
12-08-2007, 10:17 PM
mugen88

To get that power to the ground effectively and make it work its gonna need a LSD.
12-08-2007, 11:40 PM
Omotesando

Does installing the DC5 LSD still work with the oem Traction Control?
Have no idea haven't checked.

Funny thing is there are so many FWD hot hatches coming out with no LSDs lately but they still stick to the curves like crazy. Probably not enough torque, unlike the Mazda 3 MPS which even an LSD and good traction control can't tame the beast.
12-08-2007, 11:45 PM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omotesando

Does installing the DC5 LSD still work with the oem Traction Control?
Have no idea haven't checked.

Yes it works.
13-08-2007, 07:01 PM
Peekay34

Quote:

Originally Posted by ^__^ SM ^__^

Hi. Sorry for hijacking this thread.

Today while at the dealer, a service tech told me that he had a euro come in that was heavily modded to give 184kW AT THE WHEEL!

Can the Hondata gear give this kind of gains?

If it was at Essendon then they have misquoted the figure........typical......

Figures is more like at that time 154KW but now 160KW...since then
13-08-2007, 10:50 PM
Omotesando

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaronng

Yes it works.

Is it a really easy enough Bang for your Buck mod? :o
13-08-2007, 11:26 PM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omotesando

Is it a really easy enough Bang for your Buck mod? :o

It's a good mod, but not bang for your buck because you have to take the gearbox off, and open it up to replace the diff. Labour cost-wise, it's probably higher than replacing your clutch and flywheel.
14-08-2007, 02:19 PM
tron07

160kw atw is good too
15-08-2007, 04:05 PM
Bryce

Quote:

Originally Posted by tron07

160kw atw is good too

get a firestone already :mad:

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