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Anything extra ontop ( a social forum , a for sale forum etc) is a bonus for its members and not people aiming to sell items.
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the current state of the PQ system.
i have recently received some points, but for some reason they do not appear under my avatar. i know that for someone to give you a PQ point, they need to have at least 5 green blocks. but some people that have more than 5 blocks have given me points, and i would like to know why they dont appear
here is a pic of the points i have recently received...
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t...8/PQpoints.jpg
i actually havent heard of that?Quote:
Originally Posted by riruiz_88
and it wont show under ur name until u have more than 100 points, wen u get more than 100 points, u will get 2 boxes
for now if u hover over ur green box it will say something like "**** has made some knowledgable points"
Who Can Use This System?Quote:
Originally Posted by krogoth
To avoid abuse, initially only moderators will be able to hand out PQ points. However once a user has received 50 PQ points, they are allowed to alter the rep of other users.
Note: Users with less than 50 PQ points can still click the icon however there will be no change to the score of the user who receives this hit. The reasoning being that you need to build up a decent PQ score before you can hand out points to someone else.
this was taken from the very first post, i thought that you had to have five blocks but i was mistaken as i should have read properly. and i now understand more, every 100 points you get an extra block. i would have thought that every time someone gave you a point, that it would equal 100 ponts. thanx for your help KROGOTH :thumbsup:
Just updated the first post. It's actually 100points now before you can affect someone else's score.Quote:
Originally Posted by riruiz_88
whats the go... im getting all these rep points but it doesnt add 2 my green bars under my nic...
whats the point of having this system if it doesnt do work...
its not like my posts dont help ppl... im a mechanic, lol
lol it does work. Your green bar grows depending on the number of points you have.
"You must spread the reputation around before giving it to X PERSON again"
i rekn that is a load of bollocks. if someone makes a good post, you should be entitled to give them a pat on the back through repping. it shouldn't matter if they were the last, 2nd last or even 3rd last person you rep'd or what not.
I understand that its probably implemented that way to reduce misuse, but goddamn its annoying.
yes ive already acknowledged, but it goes against the sentiment that you should be able to give a rep to someone as you stumble across threads. the fact that you're saying 'go rep someone else, and then rep the person' would suggest to go and rep someone else for the heck of it.Quote:
it simply stops spam repping and encourages members to rep others rather than only a select group.
Go rep someone else , and then rep the person for something else if you must.
just my 2c worth...
phil, i understand wer ur coming from
but unfortunatley, ther are or have been some immature silly ppl abusing/misusing the rep point system
so, i think this system of not being able to rep the same person too frequently is ther as spamproof system
its not perfect...but its a compromise
just pm the person that helped u and say to he/she that u tried to rep them but it u have been repping them too much lately
Yup , its the people who use the system , that have changed it to the way it stands now. Dont blame the game , blame the players !
it has never changed ?
its always been that was hasn't it?
i think its good like ben said sstops u reppin' same group of people.
Changed. The number of people you have to spread rep to before you can rep the first person again has increased substantially because of that circle repping fiasco last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by dc2dc2dc2
As krogoth said. Things were tightened up after this.
im not blaming anyone, so get it right. if its not going to be used in a proper manner, AND if its in a state such that you have to go give reps to x number of others first; then its really of no use to anyone. just can the whole thing altogether i say.Quote:
Originally Posted by claymore
something i've wanted long ago :)
rep points is the worst thing to be brought to ozhonda.
thats the first thing ive heard from you that i actually agree to, after all these years. much love.Quote:
Originally Posted by dc2dc2dc2
well that and the following
Quote:
Originally Posted by dc2dc2dc2
Then how do you propose we address and fix the problems that the rep points / PQ points system was brought into resolve?Quote:
Originally Posted by dc2dc2dc2
If you can't suggest a better system then things stay as they are.....if you can then I am all ears.
^ That is a genuine question
i'd like to know as well dc2dc2dc2
so much critiscm, wheres the ideas mr perfect and 'goot skin' guy?
Hey I got a bad rep for this post:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...56#post1508256
If thats not a personal vendetta against me by ECU-MAN then i dont know what is
Mods - remove the bad rep - thankyou.
what was the reason for giving you the neg. rep ?
"sounds like wrong information to me"
just post info to prove it wrong and we will get it removed
lol, whatever.
Ill just bad rep everyone and have them prove it wrong.
lol good work.
taken from hondata USA websiteQuote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
"Hondata modifies standard Honda engine computers (ECUs), adding features and expanding the capabilities of the ECU"
http://www.hondata.com/aboutus.html
Make sure the neg rep is gone Benny.
Just as I thought......no justification as to how the PQ points system should be replaced.Quote:
Originally Posted by dc2dc2dc2
who says i wanted it replaced.
i just want it scrapped. :)
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win told u earlier the PQ system wont be removed until som1 suggests another system that adresses the same issues the PQ system has fixed
so it cant just be scrapped, it needs to be replaced with something else
and u know that
Stop spamming my thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by wynode
I have now provided supporting evidence against the blatantly obvious intentional neg rep so please rectify.
+1 Neg rep to Win for spamming
+1 Neg rep to John for incorrect Neg Rep.
Thankyou
This isn't your thread you clown.......not to mention the fact that ben is dealing with it, not me.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProECU
Furthermore.....the PQ points system ('rep' system) is not used for spamming. That is the infractions system.
If you are not happy with Ben's actions then PM me (and only then) and I shall review it.
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Originally Posted by ProECU
Gone.
thank you kindly gentlemen, ladies & clowns too
Replacement...
I say all the Performance workshops or specialists who do various work (with registered ABNs etc) that are memebrs of OH should be the only ones professionally qualified to +rep tech/useful posts.... but then i'm sure they didn't join OH to be librarians reading everyday :p
OR confirmed OK contributions in the DIY/Tech section is the only place to be able to rep.. this excludes reviews obviously... like seriously, a lot of issues should be consolidated in a "TECHNICAL" section anyway so as to prevent repeat posts... in the <2yrs i've been here i've seen some questions repaeated over and over because some don't know how to search or genuinely not know what to search for, but a lot of the answers over the months have been great and sometimes even add value to old information (ie, intellectual redundancy) and they rightfully get +PQ... but the crowd is right, it's the same people getting it over and over....
but i reckon if the main issue and purpose of PQ system is to prevent mass sellers etc.. i say stick to old school sale/membership rules which some other forums still use..
- Paid membership.. contribution bands.. even $10 i'm sure everyone can afford that measly amount, at the end of the day it's still a contribution to the forum/community
- minimum posts
- minimum time
Sorta works out in my head if the world was fair... more people pay for membership (even if each member contributed $1-$2 considering the number of members we have, it in turn alleviates sponsorship costs, sponsors HOPEFULLY decrease some of their prices.. the whole OH community contributes....
I refuse to believe that a shitload of members here can't even afford $5-$10 considering how much help some of the people get on a technical level.... in all honesty to the mods/admins/owners/etc... if you left it the way it is even i wouldn't find a need to donate/support.. the only reason i personally did was because of the tremendous amount i have learned from this site courtesy of those who contribute selflessly... shit my mechanic won't help me at 1am on an issue where others here can and have... that aside, the persons who have worked on my car (you know who you are and i rarely let others work on my car) with their "OH/mates rates" has already made up for my measly donation...
like seriously.. ppl have to realise you can't get something for nothing.. against the law of physics
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ok, all previous bullshit, resentment etc aside - I fail to see what the benefit of such a system really is...
Are you guys trying to implement a system whereby those new here have a measure to rank peoples knowledge on this site? becuase clearly it is still being abused (eg my situation above)
Perhaps Wyn you could elaborate some more or if you have already point me to where it is...
At a glance this "rep" system is the only thing helping others choose who to listen to , and who not to ( when it comes to technical posting).
No other reason behind it.
Mind you lot , there are many examples of online forums that have tried and failed with a similar system. Can anyone link a forum out there with a not-so abused rep system ?
so effectively you're implementing a system that promotes mediocracy. What happened to buyer beware? - you know - do your own research ??
I mean generally, people are inherantly lazy and this system promotes that.
Why even bother? seriously?
It also disadvantages new members whom may have a wealth of technical knowledge
^i can see wer ur coming from wen it comes to disadvantaging newcomers with lots of info
but look if they contribute that much useful info, 5 to 6 helpful posts a day
theyll def be noticed and climb the green dots ladder in no time
ther are lots of members wer this is the case
again im not saying the system is perfect
but i think ozhonda is a more useful/better place with it
5-6 useful posts a day - I dont think this place gets that many in 1month.
admittedly, i noticed JohnL is one of these:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by krogoth
If you are here just to browse, then why does this affect you so much?Quote:
Originally Posted by ProECU
affect me so much? you shouldnt assume. Furthermore, dont try make this about me - youre missing the pointQuote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
I think my knowledge of Honda's far exceeds many on this forum.
but its useless making a helpful post cos its just on deaf ears as myself with no green blocks am not heard as much as others with much less knowledge and many green blocks.
i see some things posted by ppl with many green blocks to be utter bullshit
/end rant
thanks
people like aarong?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bludger
i actually find aarong 2 be one of the most useful mods on this forum. i could name at least 5 others who have 100th of the knowledge he does.
There is a thread or two in the site discussion forum where I have explained the reasoning behind the PQ points system.
The other option is ti get rid of the green dots and the points so that people aren't too focussed on it.
A quick history (again):
1. People were just signing up to sell things and not contributing to the forum / helping others out
2. We then put a post count restriction. This resulted in people just posting to get their post count up (ie with silly replies)
3. We then introduced a post count and time restriction. This still didn't address the problem of people not contributing / helping others out
4. Hence why the PQ points system was brought in. It basically meant that you had to be a member for a short period of time AND help another user out in return for being able to buy / sell. A small 'price' to pay given that the For sale forum is only for private use.
u call me young and immatureQuote:
Originally Posted by Bludger
so u mr old, should know that one persons opinion can be hated by some and agreed with by some others
so wen u see something posted that u thought was bs, that doesnt mean every1 else thought it was 2
and if it really was that bad, then u can pm the member or neg rep the post
simple
wow, wat an intelligent mature responseQuote:
Originally Posted by ProECU
well done
^^^^^^
As everyone has said, it may not be perfect and it may not work for some people, but until somone comes up with an idea to replace it just get used to this system kids!!!
You have a big green bar :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SiReal
I don't ask for the points to be given to me. I just try to help out and give info that I know. I have given wrong info and do have the -ve rep as well. I have also been put in my place by JohnL over the suspension debate. Green boxes don't show how smart/knowledgeable a person is. But the bottomline is that people give rep for help that solves their problem and not because you know good info.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProECU
I'm sure you know 100x more than me, especially with regards to tuning, ECU, engine, suspension, heck you probably know a lot more on everything than I do. The difference is that I don't take the piss at people who ask stupid and simple questions. I just try to help them to get their car/install running again. That is where I get the points from. I don't do it for the points, I do it because I know the frustration of working in the blind without any help. Just like how I don't like working without basic info or guides, I try to help so that others are not in the same situation.
In fact, it should be called Helpful Points instead of PQ points. :)
This may be the case - however I can show you a dozen examples where you intentionally provoke and belittle people (me in a few cases) by twisting their words or insinuating a different meaning to what was intended.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
you either do it intentionally or just dont have the brains to realise you do it. So which one is it?
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Originally Posted by aaronng
Totally agree. Or "happy points".
BTW Evan and others , make points but keep the spam out.
i feel bad, i have been on here for nearly 2 years and still have tiny green bar.. damnit.. people ask my Q's i can help you with :p
I likes the system.. but seems not much Repping happens any more :s or maybe I just suck
True, Ive noticed repping has gone down hill lately as well. I havent received any from Mods for a while, only the occasional user - most of them with no rep points to give :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Dray_Templar
I see 2 threads on the first page of the New Posts search that are asking for help/info. Have a look in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dray_Templar
To the silly people who have tried to give me a PQ point for a post in this thread please cease as it is ONLY for technically related posts.
ever considered a seperate registration system for the sale thread. That would solve the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by wynode
the man is onto something.....Quote:
Originally Posted by ProECU
Could you elaborate further?Quote:
Originally Posted by ProECU
i think he is saying......
just like you have to register to OzH, you have to register to use the for sale thread.
but who will review the registrations?
how will we decide who is eligible to use the for sale forum.
Problem is, there won't be anything stopping people from registering on Ozhonda and then registering to use the For Sale section? Also, there won't be a quantifiable criteria for determining who is eligible and who isn't. And if it is left totally to the discretion of the moderators, people will start complaining about unfairness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bludger
always hurdles to jumpQuote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
The current system with the 90 days and 1 PQ point works alright. It's just that people turn that PQ point green block thing into some popularity contest, which is silly. It's an internet forum, everyone is an equal. I am equal to you, except that I am not allowed to swear/attack/troll, and also have to clean up the threads where there are swearing/attacking/trolling occuring.... :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Bludger
I wonder if there is a way to totally hide those green blocks from view, while keeping the PQ system in place.
i like the idea of hiding green blocks :)
then there would be no point to the system.Quote:
Originally Posted by dc2dc2dc2
If thats the case , EVERYONE should have the chance to earn 1 point ( to sell/become a member) then leave it be. What about that ?
But by doing that. Doesn't it defeat the purpose of having PQ points?
Is there a way for everyone just to have 1 green block. But when you actually hover over, it tells you how many points u have ? ie 1 block and 300 points.
I dunno...green blocks just remind me of 'post count' and how that turned into a competition. Green block gnagsters are going down the same path i believe.
kthxbye
good point about "hover" option.
Cant say about the green block gangster thing - its a slow process to build up points compared to those spamming bastards of yester year :D
ok cool ben
thanks for listneing to a brudda
hover option is winner !!!!
IF you could b bothered - research around other forums and see if they use a similar single block / hover option to what you say. Im sure a hack out there exists. At the end of the day its a majority vote.
Eactly! Hiding the Green blocks is pretty easy. I guess one reason we have them displayed from the start is to get people used to it / spread the word.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
You can still see if / how many PQ points you have in your UserCP.
Might go ahead and hide the Green blocks then?!?!
do it wyn !
DOO ITTTT
hide green blocks ftw
good for nothing blocks.
Yep i say do it Wyn.
If noobs out there really must know who to believe when it comes to posts - they can look at a persons userCP and rep point count.
hi guys.
so in the persons usercp when u click on their profile
it will sort of come up like 'trade rating'
where it will show why the person got a PQ point?
progress
this is completely left field... but i wonder what would be involved in charging to advertise goods.... that would certainly change everyhting... and make some money to maintain the site and compensate mods perhaps.... or co-ordinate OH activities
The focus is not the money, that can be a nominal amount like $5 or something, but that would be one hurdle for people who just want to come on and sell... If the idea of a seperate area of the site is combined with this can be good for the site and the people who put so much effort into it...
Ozhonda is not run for profit. Mods don't get paid and the ramifications of getting paid to mod would be huge (both from a taxation perspective and from the backlash from members who feel that mods are not doing the work that they are being paid for).Quote:
Originally Posted by Zilli
lol
maybe we should pay some "consultants" (lol) to work out a solution to our predicament
The suggestion was moreso regarding payment to sell... but that in itself will have taxation ramifications...
Was just a suggestion...
Ahhh, if it was with regards with payment to sell, that is already in place. Newcomers can be a trader and are allowed to sell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zilli
I think Zillis suggestion was moreso for members who want to sell on our site, but not want to pay trader subscriptions.
Not exactly - his query is for those that straight up want to sell goods , be it private or commercial.
But that aint going to happen.
For starters it shouldn't be a question of "How Many" it should be a "yes/no qualification" type system that qualifies people to sell in the for sale sectionQuote:
Originally Posted by wynode
THe how many mentality creates a division amongst this community - mods vs general populus, and populus vs populus etc.
secondly, requests to have an account with selling priveliges should be made with moderators basing their decision on point a) above. A registered account should not have selling privelidges to begin with.
but honestly the ideal solution is to allow anyone to sell on here and just moderate the forum. Who cares if people just join to sell, i'd rather have that than read 90% of the bullshit around here... as it gives members a greater list of items to purchase, thats a win win.
I just dont see why thats a problem