Motor Change guide for EG * B / D / H / K SERIES !!!!

Hello Boys and girls and every1 else whos intrested in changne motors in an EG.
This is for all you Noobs who dont bother to search and keep on posting the Question...
"Man my EG is so slow i hear an engine conversion will give it more up and go, How much and were blah blah blah"
so to stop all these threads from poping out. i have made a thread based on my experience and the rescources found on the forums.
*any info you think is incorrect please correct me*

EG's come in both Carby and EFI form
Carby equipped cars are

EG3 (Breeze)
EG4 (GL/later model Breeze)
EFi equipped cars are
EG4 (Gli)
EG5 (Si/Vti)
EG8 (Gli)

Engines Available..

Okay. to be honest there is a heap of engines that can fit in a civic. starting from our 1.6L SOHC VTEC engines to the V8 Chev engines. All these are possible with the help of our friend money, ALot of it.
Anywayz we'll just focus on the most common coversions.

B16a Engine cnversion (DOHC VTEC )

So far the most common and popular engine conversion.
the B16a is found in many civics starting from the EF9,EF8,EG6,EG9,CRX DELSOL,EK4, etc
though since the australian RTA rules stats that putting an engine that is old than the chassis is illegal. (ie puting a 92 model B16a into a 94 model GLi is illegal)
Putting a B16a into a EG is pretty simple. half cuts can be bought for 3.5-4K
though the B16as are getting rarer and rarer and pricier due to the popular demand.
these are rated at around 125kw for a JDM spec and 116Kw for a AUS spec B16a2
Some of us maybe confused by the engne codes (ie B16a, B16a2, B16a3,4, etc. Do not be afraid it is stll a B16a it just tells u where the engne was intended for.
B16a (JDM only sold in japan)
B16a2 (AUDM and some Asian countries )
B16a3 (Asian and European markets etc)
B16a4 is for another non JDM market

here is a DIYarticle that i put together some time ago
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5953

B18c Engne coversion (SIR-G/VTIR/ Type R) DOHC VTEC

This engine conversion is also pretty popular.
B18c engnes can be found in DC2 integras. B18c is the SIR (JDM), VTIR(AUDM) or the GSR (USDM) motor. this engine is rated 125-130kw depending on the specs.

The B18cR the most hardcore out of the box Honda DOHC VTEC engine.
these motors are rated 141KW for the AUDM Spec and 145KW for the JDM Spec.

compared to te B16a's these motors are very torqey. the B18c SIR and the B16a might have the same peak power but. the B18c's extra torque gives the car a very fast point to point acceleration.

Heres a DIY artive done by ECU-MAN (GOD OF DIY :D)

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30312

B18c halfcuts can be picked up for around 4-5K for a JDM SIR-G cut and
7-8k for a B18cR cut depending on the specs 96, or 98 spec.

H22a Engine coversion Prelude SIR/VTIR/type S

This engine conversion i am not familar but.
these engines can be found in the Gen 4,5 prelues, Accord Type R's etc
H22as can be picked up pretty cheap compared to the B serise has they are not as popular.
H22a's are very very torquey. There are few cars on the forums with H22a's and the can run mid to high 13's easy.

A DIY ariticel Done by Honda B blastn
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...highlight=h22a

H22as are rated at arond 142KW. but custom mounts such as hasports etc are needed to fit in into a EG

General Questions Asked

Here are some of the General Questions that i have seen on the forums that have been asked so many times.

Q.Do i need to upgrade my brakes if i do a engine coversion ?
A.Yes you do for safety (stop better) and to get a engineers certificate

Q.How much would a work shop charge me for labour?
A.1.5-2K depending n the work shop rate

Q.Can i use my old ECU for the new engine
A.No you can not each ECU is designated for each engine

Q.Can i use my old gearbox for the new engine
A.Yes depending on the engine if you have a Bb16/B18c gearbox and want to match it to a another Bserise engine yes u can. other wise No

Q.Can i use my stock exhaust on my new engine.
A.Yes but only up till the cat. the headers will be different if u have a different seriser engine ( ie D serise header wont for a B serise engine)

If you have anymore questions plz feel free to ask me

good p0st danny :)

very very good! hopefully it can be used appropriately and limit the amount of nobbish q's! well done! i reckon even better stickey it!

+rep point

nice

+ rep point for you

forgot to add the Si sedan is actually a EH9....

mine says EH9 as well and its a VTi

nice work danny

+ rep point & added to civic sticky! =]

good info
BUT i think u got some power figures wrong.
jdm b16a isnt 125kw atw, and aus b16a isnt 116 kw atw.
maybe you meant horsepower?
or just 125kw (170hp) and 118kw(160hp). NOT atw.

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Originally Posted by 92DELSOL

good info
BUT i think u got some power figures wrong.
jdm b16a isnt 125kw atw, and aus b16a isnt 116 kw atw.
maybe you meant horsepower?
or just 125kw (170hp) and 118kw(160hp). NOT atw.

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hoho shit
sorry was talking to my work mate whilst i was doing this and talking about my old GTR figures atw so yeah i must have just type it in

Top shit Danny ^_^

Rep for you man!

as far as the whole b16a2/b16a3 argument... the designation isn't really where it's from, as much as when it's from...

here in the US, the b16a3 was the obd1 motor, with the a2 taking over with obd2... same in europe, etc

alot of minor details to b fixed .. as everyone has said

but in my opinion top job mate !!! very appreciated!!

awsome thread dude

very well layed out, good work. lots of + rep points for you

I believe EG4 gli is efi

yes
b4 the GLi was released they were GL's

Here's one....

What do you do after you do the engine conversion? Engineers certificate, bule slip, how to rego?
It's a nob q's but what's the last step to make the car legal? And in each state please.

PS. good job man.

cant be bothered to write all that.
but i did say if u want your car enginered..
u need the brakes and everything up to date

have u got any info on obd1 and obd2 issues??

OBD1/OBD2 issues can be simply fixed by a conversion harness
if u want to put in a B18cR into a EG GLi or Si. using the same harness
all u need to do is add the conversion harness and 3 wires on the strut tower

Well done Danny, good stuff.

How about non-standard heads on the standard block? It comes up every now and again, but not so common for EGs if my memory serves me well.

watta bout a K20A change???

In all of you guys opinions on a budget of say 8K what would be the best option for power in an EG.

I am in the process of purchasing an EG5 for which a B16B is being dropped in staright away, i rate the conversion.... But what would you guys do?

B16B would be a good engine IMO go alittle extra and for the JDM B18cR

eat a Dikk danny

looks like u got some issues there Dvl8sh..
did your mum rape u too much when u were young?
got any questions ill ansswer them for ya

hey what about k20 into eg civic?

good work danny, and I must say that guy has issues.
if you haven't got anything good to say, then STFU. At least give credit where its due

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Originally Posted by b18c_crx

hey what about k20 into eg civic?

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K20 ill research more on that.. doing a K20 conversion is on my agenda but still. need more resrach once i've done all that i wil post up again

yup...........

Just a few questions i couldnt find Clear answers too with the search function.
Droping a D16y4 into a EG GL manuall will be a straight bolt in wont it. Any problems using the standard eg box with it? Also what twin cam D series will fit in with out too many problems? I heard that the integra d16 has the mounts in the wrong spots?? cheers josh

Gearbox aint the same through all EG D serise boes..
B serise and D serise Mounts are in the same position but just different bolt holes on them

Hey man I love your stuff Danny, I am coming back in2 the car game after recently buying a honda 600RR and not looking back, picked up a really cheap body kit and wanna finish my EG by putting a B18C in, I live in QLD, do you know any cool places here that do Honda engine conversions that are not hard out on the fees? You said around 1.5-2K, they peeps I've been ringing are saying they will charge me like 3-4K. Can you help me out? (Yes a noob question....)

PM barefootbonzai for conversions in qld.

dam straight you have pm.

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Originally Posted by bboy_gadget

Hey man I love your stuff Danny, I am coming back in2 the car game after recently buying a honda 600RR and not looking back, picked up a really cheap body kit and wanna finish my EG by putting a B18C in, I live in QLD, do you know any cool places here that do Honda engine conversions that are not hard out on the fees? You said around 1.5-2K, they peeps I've been ringing are saying they will charge me like 3-4K. Can you help me out? (Yes a noob question....)

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he's the man barefooty!!!!

guys i was just wondering does the b18c a twin cam? and also i was planning to have a LSD short shifter, would it be compatible with the b18c?

B18c is a Twin cam VTEC motor.
if u want LSD get the ITR or CTR gearbox it will give u shorter ration and LSD
and yes it is compatible with the B18c

thanx for that...btw i just registered so sory if i ask alot of questions in future =] :thumbsup:

no worries..

whic gearbox would be better off getting though, as in performance wise? and whats the diffrence between the two?

ITR and CTR are very similar both have LSD
though the ITR has slightly shorter gear ratio as the finakl drive is 4.7 compared to the CTR 4.4
this means ITR gearbox will give u better acceleration but on highway driving you'll be doing 4K rpm at 110km/h

btw i live in melbourne, do you know any places where i can get a cheap
b18c engine? and how much in total would it be to get the b18c,with the lsd short shift, blue prints and labour? you reckon $10k would be enough for everything?

also for a engine upgrade like that on my car, i will need to change my break system right? coz for now i only have disc breaks at the front and drums at the back...

brakes are adviseable
b18c with blue print u mean? whole rebuilt?
that will not come cheap
converting your whole car will cost about 10K
then rebuilt to sumthing decent is another 5K
what i advise is spend 10K on it to get it running with new brakes and engine etc
and when the engine shows abit of age via smokes coming out and bearing noises over haul the engine then.

so how much power atw for b16a and b16a2 please confirm?

does 88 crx sir uses b16a?

does any body know where i can get a cheap set of brand new angel eyes style headlights that are compatible with a civic hatch 95 model? preferably in melbourne, if not, somewhere in australia where they do shipping.

thanx

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Originally Posted by ThEbLaCk

so how much power atw for b16a and b16a2 please confirm?

does 88 crx sir uses b16a?

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yes the 88 crx SIR uses B16a but it's the cable clutch version rated at 160 hp only

the 2nd gen, B16a has 170hp they should pull out anywhere between 85-90 kw atw

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Originally Posted by dexturd

does any body know where i can get a cheap set of brand new angel eyes style headlights that are compatible with a civic hatch 95 model? preferably in melbourne, if not, somewhere in australia where they do shipping.

thanx

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um..angle lights i dont know i personally have never used them.
try ebay or traders on ozhonda

isnt this the worng thread for that sorta qz?

what about the k20?

i have seen it in an eg, n i kno they not cheap...but is it an easy or doable conversion?

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Originally Posted by ludetec

what about the k20?

i have seen it in an eg, n i kno they not cheap...but is it an easy or doable conversion?

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anythings doable.
im going to do a K serise conversion end of this year so ill keep u posted
in the mean time u can try pming Yonas from JDMYARD

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Originally Posted by ludetec

what about the k20?

i have seen it in an eg, n i kno they not cheap...but is it an easy or doable conversion?

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Its not as hard as you think
Bolt on engine mount kits available
Conversion harness available

PM me if you wanna talk about it

Hey guys, had a bit of a search around with no luck, im looking at doing a carby - efi engine swap in a eg gl, im aware it can be done but yet to find a decent diy or guide, if any one could help us with a link or anything that would be great :thumbsup:

pm me if u need a guide through to change it to EFI

how much are K20 conversions ???

ball park figure for a EG ???

parts...

labour...

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Originally Posted by AsH_

how much are K20 conversions ???

ball park figure for a EG ???

parts...

labour...

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ball park = enough change from 15 grand to buy some tic tacs :p

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Originally Posted by qstoria

ball park = enough change from 15 grand to buy some tic tacs :p

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sound about right..
AUDM K20 hafl cut around 6-7K
then u got the JDM's around 10K or under
then u got all the other stuff like harness mounts all the little bits and pieces about 15K i recon should do

how much do b18c type r front cuts go for ? an wat does ITR stand for cheers

ITR = Integra Type R
b18cR =ITR looking around 5-6K
theres a few for sale in the for sale section.

Hey [[d a n n y]]

I'm getting a B18C2 swap into my EG5 and I have few questions..

1. Can I keep my close to brand new heavy duty clutch and lightweight Fly wheel, Its rated to 250kw?
2. As my EG already has all round disk brakes, can I get away with not doing the brake upgrade?
3. Will the bonnet close like stock as I hate how some EG’s have the front of the bonnet raised on swaps?


Thanks bro

LukeZen

LukeZen
B18c2 is a good swop
u cant use your clutch and flywheel cuz D serise stuff doesnt fot with B serise engine.
you can keep your brakes though it'll be a good idea to swop as the Vti brakes where designed for the Vti engine and wont stop as well with the extra 20-30 kw you will be getting.
As for the bonnet i had no troubles in my swops so i dont see why you would have any problems

yeap danny sum it up nicely. Brakes won't needed to be upgraded. Bonnet will close as like a stock one would.

Can't use D clutch or flywheel.

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B16a Engine cnversion (DOHC VTEC )

though since the australian RTA rules stats that putting an engine that is old than the chassis is illegal. (ie puting a 92 model B16a into a 94 model GLi is illegal)

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Just wondering, so it's illegal to put B16 from ek4,9 or k20 or k24?
How do i register the car then?

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Originally Posted by spoondc2

Just wondering, so it's illegal to put B16 from ek4,9 or k20 or k24?
How do i register the car then?

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no it is illegal if the engine is older than the car..
the engine must be newer than the car.
so u cant put a 1990 made b16a into a 1992 made EG civic

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Originally Posted by [[d a n n y]]

no it is illegal if the engine is older than the car..
the engine must be newer than the car.
so u cant put a 1990 made b16a into a 1992 made EG civic

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Can you get it engineered for this or??

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Originally Posted by [[d a n n y]]

no it is illegal if the engine is older than the car..
the engine must be newer than the car.
so u cant put a 1990 made b16a into a 1992 made EG civic

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Oh i can't read damn it :P, I got it now... That's what i used to think and i just misunderstand the sentence.

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Originally Posted by UNR8BL_CRX

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this thread is not for selling shit..

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Originally Posted by Leprechaun

Can you get it engineered for this or??

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nope sorry u cant it's illegal

if i drop a b16 in my EK1 (lets say its from a EK4 so we got no legislation problems).

will my comprehensive insurance go up?
whats the requirements for registration aside from engineering the engien

quote to the insurance company that it is a replacement engine for its capacity , i dont believe it will warrant an insurance hike.
All you need to do is make sure the engine is same age or newer than your chassis , and just take the car to a registered mechanic that can write up a blueslip for "adjustment of records".
He will send the new engine number into the RTA and you are all good.

and i have to do the re-engineering before taking it to the mechanic?

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Originally Posted by steve88

and i have to do the re-engineering before taking it to the mechanic?

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Not unless its more than 15% in power to your other motor :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Lukezen27

Not unless its more than 15% in power to your other motor :thumbsup:

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wrong , its 15% displacement :)

So , a 1.6 CAN put a 1.8 in their engine bay with no altercation to brakes etc.

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Originally Posted by bennjamin

wrong , its 15% displacement :)

So , a 1.6 CAN put a 1.8 in their engine bay with no altercation to brakes etc.

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Nope its both now

I just got all that info before when i was about to get a B18C7 swap

Not 100% sure but quite sure

so a D16 non vtec - b16 dohc vtec greater than 15% ?

also, for anyone who's gone from D series to B, do you guys notice much of a difference?

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Originally Posted by Lukezen27

Nope its both now

I just got all that info before when i was about to get a B18C7 swap

Not 100% sure but quite sure

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Please try and find the exact info ~ the rules , as of the last time i got my car blue slipped ( about 4 months ago) were that -

The engine would be within +15% displacement.
It would come from similar or based chassis (IE DC engine into a EG etc)

These are the basic set , to legally install a new engine into your ride without major engineering.

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Originally Posted by bennjamin

Please try and find the exact info ~ the rules , as of the last time i got my car blue slipped ( about 4 months ago) were that -

The engine would be within +15% displacement.
It would come from similar or based chassis (IE DC engine into a EG etc)

These are the basic set , to legally install a new engine into your ride without major engineering.

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Sorry Ben I can't find it, only the displacement

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registrati.../vsi/vsi06.pdf

I'll see if I can find it in my e-mail at home

how about i6? has anyone ever done an i6 on an eg?
lets say a 2jzge or a rb30de? but i dont think it would be as awesome as the civette from ht.. drift it!

it;s 15% cap increase luke im pretty sure.

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Originally Posted by mocchi

how about i6? has anyone ever done an i6 on an eg?
lets say a 2jzge or a rb30de? but i dont think it would be as awesome as the civette from ht.. drift it!

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They've put V8s in EGs in the front and in the back so anything goes...