Alex's B20VTEC DC2

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24-11-2013, 02:24 PM
ivseenwars

Alex's B20VTEC DC2

ohallo
back in april i sold my EK1 to fund a DC2. Looked at a few that just werent up to scratch condition wise. Lots of them were beat up and not well taken care of.
Until this popped up on gumtree. Clean, stock, low(ish) kms and owned by someone who actually knew their shit about the car, and was previously owned by an old guy.
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It had 2 weeks rego and no roadworthy but all it needed was 2 tyres and a seal.
Sorted myself some 195/55 RE002's all round;
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and got roady/rego.

picked up a few other bits like a DC2R lip and DC2R gear knob
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Then found a package on gumtree cheap.
Tein street flex DC2R coils, dc2r LCAs/endlinks, ASR 24mm sway bar, asr rear subframe brace.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...50210356_n.jpg

swiped them asap and got them on and this is how it sat for a while
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Stripped the black from the ASR and added my own touch:
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I was absolutely in love with the way it sat and handled. So much grip. The potenzas are really awesome tyres even in 195.

Picked up and installed a Mugen twinloop catback:
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Sold my potenzas and DC blades with the intention of picking up buddyclub P1s with toyo proxes T1Rs but sale fell through.. so now im on ghetto spec wheels
Mugen MF10 reps up front, Jazz stockies up the back.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...31394122_o.jpg
Kinda like the MF10s.

Recently, I picked up a B20B8 :D
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...14916369_n.jpg

Along with;
Moroso Sump, Edelbrock Adjustable Cam Gears, Type R Oil pump, new water pump, walbro fuel pump, gates racing timing belt, ARP main bolts and a baffle plate.
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Started tearing down the motor
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3821/1...e44668cc_c.jpg
Heard all the stories about things people did to get the crank pulley off.. said lolk and rattled it off nws.

Pulled the head, pumps, old sump, thermostat etc and everything else off.
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And thats as far as I've gotten with it. Gonna start cleaning the block up tonight.
Next week I'll order a bottom end gasket kit from JDM yard and a VTEC Conversion kit, and once the block is all sorted, I'll pull the head off of my B18 :D
24-11-2013, 04:31 PM
Vvvtec

Nice man
24-11-2013, 06:49 PM
mattsrea

fuark apprentice doesn't pay you that much bro! haha where do you get all this money from? :O
24-11-2013, 06:50 PM
ivseenwars

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattsrea

fuark apprentice doesn't pay you that much bro! haha where do you get all this money from? :O

Savings and make good deals with people :)
24-11-2013, 09:19 PM
mattsrea

haha more like drug dealing lol, keep up the good work! Have you got your Ps yet?
25-11-2013, 11:55 AM
ivseenwars

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattsrea

haha more like drug dealing lol, keep up the good work! Have you got your Ps yet?

Hahah just hard work:) nah 3 more months
25-11-2013, 05:45 PM
mattsrea

Oh damn man well all the best in that test haha. I'll be keeping an eye on this build. Kinda motivating me to do something different this new years lol
25-11-2013, 06:02 PM
cbauto

Subbed.
25-11-2013, 06:07 PM
mocchi

http://iliketowastemytime.com/sites/...ar_jump_in.gif
25-11-2013, 08:04 PM
Super-DA9

Subscribed.

Jesus christ, building a B20/VTEC on your L's

you crazy mofo.

I didn't even know what a camshaft was when I was on my L's

Can't wait to see how you build it.
25-11-2013, 08:23 PM
ivseenwars

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Originally Posted by Super-DA9

Subscribed.

Jesus christ, building a B20/VTEC on your L's

you crazy mofo.

I didn't even know what a camshaft was when I was on my L's

Can't wait to see how you build it.

Heheh. Neither can I :D currently pulling the head off of my b18 but im stuck trying to get past the engine mounts to get to the timing chain tensioner. Cant fit anything in there to get to the bolt
25-11-2013, 08:25 PM
cbauto

Try govfrom underneath.

Don't use multi-hex spanner/socket.

Use hex only. Tensioner bolt is shallow and easily rounded
25-11-2013, 09:08 PM
Super-DA9

The whole engine needs to come out anyway right?

I would strongly suggest removing the engine in one piece and deconstructing it on a stand (or even just on the floor), so much easier that way (especially on your back lol)

I'm also curious to hear what internals you want to run and if you plan to have any work done on the head?
25-11-2013, 09:12 PM
Vvvtec

Damn you beat me to it timbo lol, was gonna say, why not remove the entire motor first?
25-11-2013, 09:59 PM
ivseenwars

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vvvtec

Damn you beat me to it timbo lol, was gonna say, why not remove the entire motor first?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Super-DA9

The whole engine needs to come out anyway right?

I would strongly suggest removing the engine in one piece and deconstructing it on a stand (or even just on the floor), so much easier that way (especially on your back lol)

I'm also curious to hear what internals you want to run and if you plan to have any work done on the head?

I need an engine crane to get the motor out, which I dont have. Planned on removing the head and putting it on the b20 and once the motor is built then id just drop the b18 block out the bottom.

I thought about doing internals but its way more money than I wanna spend on the motor itself. Itd be 400ish for pistons and rods then another 300 for the rings etc, that money could be better spent on a 4.7d fd & LSD.
25-11-2013, 10:00 PM
ivseenwars

Quote:

Originally Posted by Super-DA9

The whole engine needs to come out anyway right?

I would strongly suggest removing the engine in one piece and deconstructing it on a stand (or even just on the floor), so much easier that way (especially on your back lol)

I'm also curious to hear what internals you want to run and if you plan to have any work done on the head?

And im sending the head off to be machined this week and getting the seats etc checked :)
25-11-2013, 10:02 PM
Super-DA9

Quote:

Originally Posted by ivseenwars

I need an engine crane to get the motor out, which I dont have. Planned on removing the head and putting it on the b20 and once the motor is built then id just drop the b18 block out the bottom.

I thought about doing internals but its way more money than I wanna spend on the motor itself. Itd be 400ish for pistons and rods then another 300 for the rings etc, that money could be better spent on a 4.7d fd & LSD.

I dropped my engine out through the bottom without a crane initially.

if you have a jack that can lift fairly high and a bunch of sleepers you'll be right :P

Oh ok fair enough. Any idea what compression ratio you end up with using the B20 stock internals and c2 head? the c2 head should help to increase the compression.
25-11-2013, 10:05 PM
ivseenwars

Quote:

Originally Posted by Super-DA9

I dropped my engine out through the bottom without a crane initially.

if you have a jack that can lift fairly high and a bunch of sleepers you'll be right :P

Oh ok fair enough. Any idea what compression ratio you end up with using the B20 stock internals and c2 head? the c2 head should help to increase the compression.

I have an SCA jack that doesnt even get under my car anymore :D need to get an arcan haha

Not sure of the exact ratio but you gain a tiny bit of compression
25-11-2013, 10:07 PM
Super-DA9

Quote:

Originally Posted by ivseenwars

I have an SCA jack that doesnt even get under my car anymore :D need to get an arcan haha

Not sure of the exact ratio but you gain a tiny bit of compression

Arcan jacks are awesome haha. Great for $159.
25-11-2013, 10:09 PM
ivseenwars

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Originally Posted by Super-DA9

Arcan jacks are awesome haha. Great for $159.

Yeah I was ready to buy one but then my starter motor died -_-
25-11-2013, 10:45 PM
MassiEk4

Looking good man, will you be going with the stock head gasket or a thinner one?

with stock head gasket your comp will be approx 10.2:1.

http://www.zealautowerks.com/bseries.html
25-11-2013, 10:46 PM
ivseenwars

Quote:

Originally Posted by MassiEk4

Looking good man, will you be going with the stock head gasket or a thinner one?

with stock head gasket your comp will be approx 10.2:1.

http://www.zealautowerks.com/bseries.html

The conversion kit im buying has an oem headgasket in it but is there any advantages to running a thinner one?
26-11-2013, 06:00 AM
cbauto

Higher compression.
26-11-2013, 07:14 AM
Super-DA9

As stated above, a tad bit higher compression, but will throw the timing out a little bit. You have adjustable cam gears though so that shouldn't be a problem.

Something I would consider is replacing the crank and rod bearings with something like ACL race bearings that can handle higher RPM. I'm not sure if the B20 stock ones are made to take high RPM abuse?

They are only around $150 and will save you huge headaches later.
26-11-2013, 07:19 AM
MassiEk4

Like cbauto said your compression will get bumped up ever so slightly.
If you havn't bought one yet might wanna look into it, but since your kit comes with a oem one, I would say don't worry about it, from memory a two layer is a 0.09:1 compression bump.

Have a look at that site I posted, you can list you can list your motor specs with head gasket size and it gives a approxamite compression ratio.

Also are you gettin ARP head studs?
26-11-2013, 07:37 AM
ivseenwars

Quote:

Originally Posted by Super-DA9

As stated above, a tad bit higher compression, but will throw the timing out a little bit. You have adjustable cam gears though so that shouldn't be a problem.

Something I would consider is replacing the crank and rod bearings with something like ACL race bearings that can handle higher RPM. I'm not sure if the B20 stock ones are made to take high RPM abuse?

They are only around $150 and will save you huge headaches later.

Ill probs just stick with the oem gasket and save the hassle. And although b20 is still a strong motor yeah bearings would be a good idra.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MassiEk4

Like cbauto said your compression will get bumped up ever so slightly.
If you havn't bought one yet might wanna look into it, but since your kit comes with a oem one, I would say don't worry about it, from memory a two layer is a 0.09:1 compression bump.

Have a look at that site I posted, you can list you can list your motor specs with head gasket size and it gives a approxamite compression ratio.

Also are you gettin ARP head studs?

yeh im getting arp studs, theyre included in the kit.:)

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Originally Posted by cbauto

Higher compression.
26-11-2013, 08:17 AM
MassiEk4

Quote:

Originally Posted by ivseenwars

yeh im getting arp studs, theyre included in the kit.:)

Nice :thumbsup:
27-11-2013, 01:12 PM
neut

Replace the bearing with ACL, might as well do everything as the motor is apart. It might take you longer in the end to complete your car...but at the end of the day... you wont have to worry about it.
27-11-2013, 02:44 PM
carayan

do it once do it right.

what other plans do you have for the block?
27-11-2013, 03:17 PM
cbauto

Quote:

Originally Posted by carayan

do it once do it right.

what other plans do you have for the block?

As opposed to yourself?
27-11-2013, 03:38 PM
ivseenwars

Quote:

Originally Posted by neut

Replace the bearing with ACL, might as well do everything as the motor is apart. It might take you longer in the end to complete your car...but at the end of the day... you wont have to worry about it.

Would I have to touch the cylinders or could I just swap out rods/pistons?
27-11-2013, 03:42 PM
cbauto

You can change pistons without machining the block. Not advised though
27-11-2013, 03:54 PM
ivseenwars

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbauto

You can change pistons without machining the block. Not advised though

Id hone the block yea but I wouldnt have to bore it would I?
27-11-2013, 05:34 PM
Super-DA9

Quote:

Originally Posted by ivseenwars

Id hone the block yea but I wouldnt have to bore it would I?

First of all, if you're doing bearings the pistons and rods don't need to come out at all. Just the crank.

But if you want to replace the pistons and rods then you might get away with a light hone if the bores are in good nick and the machinist knows what he is doing, but it's generally safest to go a tad wider on the bore and pistons.
27-11-2013, 05:59 PM
ivseenwars

Quote:

Originally Posted by Super-DA9

First of all, if you're doing bearings the pistons and rods don't need to come out at all. Just the crank.

But if you want to replace the pistons and rods then you might get away with a light hone if the bores are in good nick and the machinist knows what he is doing, but it's generally safest to go a tad wider on the bore and pistons.

Ill be doing rings aswell regardless of whether I do pistons/rods so wont they have to come out anyway
27-11-2013, 08:18 PM
antish_r

looking forward to see a b20 in your car
27-11-2013, 08:33 PM
MassiEk4

Have a look a these videos, the guy basically tore his b18c, rehoned and turboed it (ignore the turbo part, just pay attention to how he honed it at home himself), the second link includes dyno footage. Both videos are of two different cars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmLfS2ESXEE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLARm9Pk-7Y

Hope that helped give you some diy hope. These motor builds can be a huge money pit, be careful and have fun :D
27-11-2013, 09:44 PM
ivseenwars

Cleaned the motor up this afternoon.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...15971423_n.jpg

managed to get to the tensioner bolt, got upto the intake manifold but i cant get to the lower bolts? any ideas?
27-11-2013, 09:50 PM
cbauto

Take the head off with the intake manifold on.
05-12-2013, 06:05 PM
stevo716

How does he pay for them you ask...he hasn't....geez im a nice guy
05-12-2013, 06:14 PM
MassiEk4

Quote:

Originally Posted by ivseenwars

managed to get to the tensioner bolt, got upto the intake manifold but i cant get to the lower bolts? any ideas?

From memory there are 2 12mm bolts that hold the manifold the a steel bracket which bolts to the block, to get to the bolts to "free" the mani, so you can take it off in one piece with the head, you have to undo them from underneath the car with a long extension.

Check this out and go to step 16.
http://technet.ff-squad.com/how-to/sk2im/
05-12-2013, 06:35 PM
ivseenwars

Quote:

Originally Posted by MassiEk4

From memory there are 2 12mm bolts that hold the manifold the a steel bracket which bolts to the block, to get to the bolts to "free" the mani, so you can take it off in one piece with the head, you have to undo them from underneath the car with a long extension.

Check this out and go to step 16.
http://technet.ff-squad.com/how-to/sk2im/

I got the head off already but thanks :)
Spose I should update.

Got the head off:
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and sent it off to Redline Engine Service to have it machined and to have 10thou (.25mm) taken off.
also ordered my conversion kit.
07-12-2013, 08:53 PM
Fraser

Whats happening with the old crank,you haven't answered my message.
08-12-2013, 10:37 PM
ivseenwars

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fraser

Whats happening with the old crank,you haven't answered my message.

Inbox me with an offer mate.
10-12-2013, 07:59 PM
ivseenwars

Been a bit! Since getting the head off, I sent it off to Redline Engine Services to have 10thou (.25mm) taken off.
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Yanked the pistons out of the b20 to find they're looking pretty tired, so I've set my sights on some RS Machine 84mm pistons with rings.
10-12-2013, 08:06 PM
mocchi

fuark beast m8
did they test valves too?

itr style piston ay
13-12-2013, 05:39 PM
ivseenwars

Got my conversion kit today :D
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