Bang for buck 4x100 EG Front Brake Upgrade

Hi there

This is my current setup

1. DC2R Booster/MC
2. Stock EG4 Front disc (242mm?)
3. DC2 Rear discs including handbrake

I just want to know, to run 282mm discs (DC2R) 4x100 at the front, what do I need?

From my research all I need is:

1. Prelude BB4 282mm 4x113 Rotors, redrilled to 4x100
2. 2nd hand DC2R Calipers, machined 2-3mm.

So I just have a couple quick questions;

1. Is there above correct?
2. Will the above setup fit behind Rota Slipstreams 15x6 +40?
3. Whats required to Machine them? Is this something any mechanic can do or do I have to go to a brake specialist? I'm not actually sure 'which' part of the Caliper gets machined.

I'll have my local cheap mechanic do the install for me.

Thanks

you'd probably need the front knuckles from a teg/civic which came stock with 262mm at least as i believe the dc2r brake caliper brackets will not bolt up to your current 242mm stock knuckle

I'd hit up this. http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107860

if you wanna keep ur 4x100 and want bigger 282mm discs would have to get some blanks drilled.
otherwise theres a trader selling slotted 286mm discs in 4x100 already.
but if it was me, id just upgrade to 262mm discs, its more then enough, also I think the 96spec itr came with 262mm and it seems to have fine braking with the itr mc/bb.

You didn't mention anything about which pads you are using. You can have big arse rotors but if you've got average pads, you'll get outbraked by a guy with much better pads than you who spent 1/4 of the money on his brakes.

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Originally Posted by string

You didn't mention anything about which pads you are using. You can have big arse rotors but if you've got average pads, you'll get outbraked by a guy with much better pads than you who spent 1/4 of the money on his brakes.

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Pads will be Endless SSY, with OEM Fluid.

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Originally Posted by barefootbonzai

I'd hit up this. http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107860

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Awesome, thanks!!

Interesting that link says use stock caliper. I thought bigger diameter rotor meant you also need bigger Calipers?

ill keep it the orignial 242mm with a set of slottted rotors and good brakes pads. I had this set-up on my old EG to run 13inch rims with cheaper semi-slick(A048) for track. It worked a treat for such a light car.

Even if its for streets, it provide more than enough stopping capability. Doing the Type R calipers is just a wank factor and you'll wont be using all its braking capabilites both on street/track.

So far, you've done the right upgrade, the dc2r MC and BB gets a thumbs up

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Originally Posted by Benson

ill keep it the orignial 242mm with a set of slottted rotors and good brakes pads. I had this set-up on my old EG to run 13inch rims with cheaper semi-slick(A048) for track. It worked a treat for such a light car.

Even if its for streets, it provide more than enough stopping capability. Doing the Type R calipers is just a wank factor and you'll wont be using all its braking capabilites both on street/track.

So far, you've done the right upgrade, the dc2r MC and BB gets a thumbs up

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Well I'm not one that goes for wank factor, I just prefer hidden performance. At the moment my EG is honda pink on rota rims lol.

Considering I'm already running ITR Booster/MC and rear DC2 Discs, I can feel my braking is being heavily reduced because of my front.

I understand and agree with what your saying, 242mm is probably fine. But from my point of view, If Im changing to slotted rotors, I may as well spend the extra $100 on a DC2R calipers. Especially since I'm already on 15x6.5 Slipstreams, meaning there is enough space inside for 282mm.

Thanks for the replies in this thread. So it seems all I need is:

282mm rotors in 4x100 (either blanks, or 4x113 redrilled)
DC2R Front knuckles
DC2R Calipers

Question --
When people say you need to machine "2-3mm" off the DC2R Calipers .. what does this mean? What part of it is being machined? Can any mechanic do this?

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Originally Posted by Migoreng_Noodles

When people say you need to machine "2-3mm" off the DC2R Calipers .. what does this mean? What part of it is being machined? Can any mechanic do this?

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http://www.lukekailburn.com/brakes.html

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Originally Posted by barefootbonzai

I'd hit up this. http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107860

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these look too good. any here able to give a review?

cheaper option would be using prelude bb1 or bb4 disc and caliper but u have to redrilled the disc to 4 x 100...

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Originally Posted by Migoreng_Noodles

Hi there

This is my current setup

1. DC2R Booster/MC
2. Stock EG4 Front disc (242mm?)
3. DC2 Rear discs including handbrake

I just want to know, to run 282mm discs (DC2R) 4x100 at the front, what do I need?

From my research all I need is:

1. Prelude BB4 282mm 4x113 Rotors, redrilled to 4x100
2. 2nd hand DC2R Calipers, machined 2-3mm.

So I just have a couple quick questions;

1. Is there above correct?
2. Will the above setup fit behind Rota Slipstreams 15x6 +40?
3. Whats required to Machine them? Is this something any mechanic can do or do I have to go to a brake specialist? I'm not actually sure 'which' part of the Caliper gets machined.

I'll have my local cheap mechanic do the install for me.

Thanks

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Originally Posted by suspects

cheaper option would be using prelude bb1 or bb4 disc and caliper but u have to redrilled the disc to 4 x 100...

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Do I still have to machine the BB1 or BB4 calipers?

Redrill to 4x100 is easy. The only part I'm concerned about is matching calipers and having them machined correctly.

Also separate question, can I use reuse Endless pads that was for a DC2? (262mm front)

i have no idea about your brake pads but the caliper is a bolt on affair...i have them on my car...

Hi. Does anyone know if eg5 1994 vti H/B have 242mm or 262mm front brakes?.(sorry to steal thread). Coz i just bought 282mm rotors and type r calipers with brake pads. is it bolt on swap?. or do i need the knuckles?

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Originally Posted by VT33CN

Hi. Does anyone know if eg5 1994 vti H/B have 242mm or 262mm front brakes?.(sorry to steal thread). Coz i just bought 282mm rotors and type r calipers with brake pads. is it bolt on swap?. or do i need the knuckles?

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Your answer is here...

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Originally Posted by vinnY

you'd probably need the front knuckles from a teg/civic which came stock with 262mm at least as i believe the dc2r brake caliper brackets will not bolt up to your current 242mm stock knuckle

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Originally Posted by VT33CN

Hi. Does anyone know if eg5 1994 vti H/B have 242mm or 262mm front brakes?.(sorry to steal thread). Coz i just bought 282mm rotors and type r calipers with brake pads. is it bolt on swap?. or do i need the knuckles?

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Vti eg5 should come with bigger 262mm brakes and hub as per eg6/dc2 of the same vintage instead of 240mm of lesser eg models.

In such case you dont need different hub/knunkles just machine caliper brackets and bolt your kit on. 1" master cylinder+booster from bb4, dc2r would be good too.

OK. one person says No for 262mm brake and one says Yes.?? i just go get a measuring tape and measure after work.lol. i got machined calipers, pads,and slotted rotors ready. 92-96 prelude MC and BB is same as ITR?.Anyone have Dc2 knuckles for sale?

One more question if i do get dc2 knuckles will the stud size be differnet to 4x100? or same?

DC2 is 4x100. DC2R is 5x114

i have the DC2 entire brake setup i just have to find some BB4 calipers or ITR calipers now.

what is the DC2 brake booster like or just get a ITR one? sorry for thread stealing also :P

may aswell go for ITR brake booster/master cylinder dude.

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Originally Posted by riruiz_88

may aswell go for ITR brake booster/master cylinder dude.

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Yea. The 92-96 prelude Mc and BB is same as ITR. (1 inch ). im also looking for MC and BB anyone have any for sale? lol. sry for stealing thread agen. :)

just keep an eye out in the For Sale Thread, ITRs are more common

Big Brake Upgrade on my ED6

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...IMG_0016-7.jpg

DA9 Integra Upright & spindle
DA9 Integra Master Cylinder, Brake Booster and 4040 Proportioning valve
DA9 Rear disc brake conversion and handbrake

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...a/IMG_0249.jpg

Prelude VTiR or Accord wagon caliper and bracket, and brake lines

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...IMG_0015-6.jpg

Prelude rotor (DBA200) redrilled to 4 x 100
Bendix Ultimate brake pads or similar

You have to grind 2mm off the bracket to clear the inside due to the rotor having a different width on the hub. On an EG apparently these bolt straight on (haven't done it myself - just what I've researched)

Don't be alarmed at this photo - the rotor is not bolted on and there is sufficient gap on the inside once they are.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...IMG_0018-7.jpg

Peter

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Originally Posted by riruiz_88

may aswell go for ITR brake booster/master cylinder dude.

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do you know if the 92-96 ITR has 1" booster? or do all of them? sorry just not sure?

those brakes look great what did you use to paint them and the arms with?:p

Added some info re brake booster and MC to my original post.

Peter

cbf to make a new thread, they will just say use the search button so might aswell just post a question in this thread!

need some information, i read thru but i get confused
im running a k series,
but i want to upgrade my brakes, to 282mm fronts on my eg5.
a seller is selling dc2r calipers, would that be a straight bolt on? or would i need more than just the calipers to fit it onto the eg5 si,

all im going to do is change the front calipers, run 282mm 4x100 slotted disc, itr m/c and upgrade the rear to slotted 242mm and ebc green pads thats it.

but my question is about the front calipers of dc2r 2 fit onto the eg5 si, is it simple?

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Originally Posted by JDM.Power

cbf to make a new thread, they will just say use the search button so might aswell just post a question in this thread!

need some information, i read thru but i get confused
im running a k series,
but i want to upgrade my brakes, to 282mm fronts on my eg5.
a seller is selling dc2r calipers, would that be a straight bolt on? or would i need more than just the calipers to fit it onto the eg5 si,

all im going to do is change the front calipers, run 282mm 4x100 slotted disc, itr m/c and upgrade the rear to slotted 242mm and ebc green pads thats it.

but my question is about the front calipers of dc2r 2 fit onto the eg5 si, is it simple?

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No...you need different knuckle.

gay shit! dammit..

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Originally Posted by JDM.Power

cbf to make a new thread, they will just say use the search button so might aswell just post a question in this thread!

need some information, i read thru but i get confused
im running a k series,
but i want to upgrade my brakes, to 282mm fronts on my eg5.
a seller is selling dc2r calipers, would that be a straight bolt on? or would i need more than just the calipers to fit it onto the eg5 si,

all im going to do is change the front calipers, run 282mm 4x100 slotted disc, itr m/c and upgrade the rear to slotted 242mm and ebc green pads thats it.

but my question is about the front calipers of dc2r 2 fit onto the eg5 si, is it simple?

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I would stay with the small brakes in case you want to slick it up for the 1/4mile with the 13inch rims

would 242 hold up on track?

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Originally Posted by Benson

I would stay with the small brakes in case you want to slick it up for the 1/4mile with the 13inch rims

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Thats what i thought, sold my 282mm wilwoods thinking i was gonna do wsid, plans have changed and now i need 282mm big brake kit. Spewing!! threw my dc2 knuckles in the bin. Now i need all that shit back.

Yeah as benson said stick with the standard brakes incase you wanna run slicks (13X8's) if not you can always run 15 inch rims anyways doesnt matter. Just figure out what your plans for the car is. I run standard brakes atm slotted rotors (RDA) with some good quality pads and it stop me no worries.
You shouldnt be driving that fast on the road anyways, You might kill someone.

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Originally Posted by JDM.Power

would 242 hold up on track?

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For what? drags or track??? drags..YES, circuit??? NO....what you find after a lap or so your brakes will fade my friend. You wanna have brakes your confident in. If you aint confident with your brakes then you know you havent got good ones.
Having good brakes is just as good as having heaps of power, whats the point of having all this power when you cant stop. You need a good combo of brake from rotors,calipers and most importantly pads. 262mm to 282mm with the a decent caliper and pads and it should be fine. It also really comes down to what suits your car as well. You have a kswap civic so im thinking quick. so yeah your gonna need good set of brakes if you wanna do circuit.
But for drags just stick your leg out the door.

indeed, im going into circuit next year, so i might aswell do it right in the first place and save money down the track

so list to do, is dc2 knuckle off vtir or R?
dc2r brake calipers, and it would just bolt in without a problem?

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Originally Posted by JDM.Power

indeed, im going into circuit next year, so i might aswell do it right in the first place and save money down the track

so list to do, is dc2 knuckle off vtir or R?
dc2r brake calipers, and it would just bolt in without a problem?

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Thats exactly right. And dont forget good pads. NOT LIBRA pads. There for women.

Good suspension, baffled oil sump, oil catch can and pump or the chassisbraces, weight reduction(improves handling and performance if you wanna acheive good results) rim, tyres, good oil,good clutch, there a shitload you need to do. But it all takes time.

Im a bit hesitant to introduce my k24 to the track but i have faith in after driving it....but the main issue for me is whether i can make this engine last. Im even considering a k20. But lets see.

but just bear all that in mind....best way to attain knowledge is to pop down to the track and talk to the right people and they will steer you in the right direction.

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Originally Posted by JDM.Power

indeed, im going into circuit next year, so i might aswell do it right in the first place and save money down the track

so list to do, is dc2 knuckle off vtir or R?
dc2r brake calipers, and it would just bolt in without a problem?

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Get good pads and new rotors for your current brakes. Upgrade the MC and BB as well

Then when your ready for track, then upgrade your brakes. I use to run the stock EG brakes on the circuit a couple of times to reduce cost on tyres. They held up fine. Its only when you want to get more serious, then upgrading brakes is essential

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Originally Posted by FLICK

Thats exactly right. And dont forget good pads. NOT LIBRA pads. There for women.

Good suspension, baffled oil sump, oil catch can and pump or the chassisbraces, weight reduction(improves handling and performance if you wanna acheive good results) rim, tyres, good oil,good clutch, there a shitload you need to do. But it all takes time.

Im a bit hesitant to introduce my k24 to the track but i have faith in after driving it....but the main issue for me is whether i can make this engine last. Im even considering a k20. But lets see.

but just bear all that in mind....best way to attain knowledge is to pop down to the track and talk to the right people and they will steer you in the right direction.

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K24 engines are fine for track. My stock K24 EK was tracked in 40 deg weather down at Wakefield and hammered down Eastern Creek and 50 or so passes. They are built to rev and be driven hard from stock.

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Originally Posted by JDM.Power

indeed, im going into circuit next year, so i might aswell do it right in the first place and save money down the track

so list to do, is dc2 knuckle off vtir or R?
dc2r brake calipers, and it would just bolt in without a problem?

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Originally Posted by Benson

K24 engines are fine for track. My stock K24 EK was tracked in 40 deg weather down at Wakefield and hammered down Eastern Creek and 50 or so passes. They are built to rev and be driven hard from stock.

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Really??? No B/Sump? nothing? Im pretty sure Hard constant driving like that without all those necessary items your engine wouldnt be to happy after 10 or so laps at eastern creek.

Your tyres will go off after 4-5laps at Eastern Creek so no point going hard for 10laps

And yes, no Baffle sump, its was a dead stock internally K24 engine Rev limit @ 7400rpm (it hit the limiter a couple of times)

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Originally Posted by JDM.Power

indeed, im going into circuit next year, so i might aswell do it right in the first place and save money down the track

so list to do, is dc2 knuckle off vtir or R?
dc2r brake calipers, and it would just bolt in without a problem?

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You will need to shave the caliper bracket by 3mm. So the disc will sit perfect

Fastbrakes sell a conversion kit which might be of interest to you.

Lets you use your existing caliper with bigger rotors.

www.fastbrakes.com

They sell the caliper adapter bracket separately, soo hit them up.

Nick.

yeah just doing research, im keen on the bracket only now!

shift sells it for 550 whole kit, but you pay like 200 - 250 for the bracket

282mm disc are only like 200bucks

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Originally Posted by jdm_b16a

You have to grind 2mm off the bracket to clear the inside due to the rotor having a different width on the hub. On an EG apparently these bolt straight on (haven't done it myself - just what I've researched)

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This I don't understand. You need to grind 2mm off, but why?

Is it to accommodate normal offset 15" wheels?
Is it illegal to grind 2mm off (illegal, in regards to how spacers are illegal)?

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Originally Posted by JDM.Power

282mm disc are only like 200bucks

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Agreed. I'm just finding blank DBA200, drilled to 4x100. Then try to find the knuckles and pick up a pair of DC2R Calipers which are relatively easy to find.

bigger brake setups have a different knuckle/hub/rotor offset
you need to grind down the bracket to center the rotor in the bracket, otherwise the bracket will just scrape against the rotor

^^^ What Vinny said. Correct!

Peter