VTIR (5th gen) vs FTO GPX

hey guys,

having a debate with this guy - he goes "A Mistubishi FTO would probably be one of the quicker cars for under 15k. Power to weight ratio of around 123kW per ton.
0-100km in about 6.9 secs. I know prelude's run about 8+ seconds....
Could also look at a 2001 Toyota Celica? Around the same power, a bit heavier. Was designed with Yamaha for memory.
Possibly a MR2...mid engined, handle pretty well...
An Autech S15 is out of your budget. There's not too much you can get for 15k which will match a turbo charged car. If it were me I would grab an FTO and upgrade once your off your P's. (won the Car of the Year Japan award if that counts for anything...MR2 had won it previously)

edit: a R34 non turbo (unmodified) won't beat a FTO in a straight line. A Toyota Supra (n/a) might be the closest contender (well for straight line speed anyways)."

ive been in preludes and seen them race FTO's and smoked them or was the FTO just sh*t?

i also thought the N/A supra was one of the fastest stock n/a for around that price - not simply something you "might be the closest contender"

#1 supra #2 prelude #3 fto #4 celica

you know something like a v6 camry or v6 accord would probably kill them all. fast cars dont always have to have the 'shape' of a sportscar. even consider the dc2 integra vti-rs.

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Originally Posted by evilmai

#1 supra #2 prelude #3 fto #4 celica

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Which Celica u talkin' 'bout? '99'-06 Celica rips 141kw at the fly. its very weight conscious vehicle. Reliable as ****. faster than the 'lude believe me. i wanted to get one, but money constraints made me settle for an EM1. It's a stylish car, but needs more go. ****in frustrating how well honda tuned it. Not much 2 gain from intake/exhaust mods.

celica had the same engine as the corolla sportivo.. something like 140 odd kw.. like mentioned above.. and they go hard... that in mind both fto gpx and prelude vti-r all come from factory with 140 odd kw.

Renault Clip Sport would give all the above mentioned vehicles a run for their money!...BOTH in a straight line and around a track/twisties straight out of the box...and all this for $10k.

lol i know im gunna get bombd for this but why is it that most of hondas cars excluding type rs always come just under powered for their weight like a del sol or ek4 for example the same engine in a 89-91 crx or an eg civic gives alot of cars a good go and arnt N/A supras nuggets they got like 161kw at the flywheel to like 1.5 tones

What about a 300ZX NA? Fkn unreliabe tho

Celica GT-Four Group A was something like 180kW. Probably won't find one for less than 15k. May hold its value better than other cars since we only got 77 of them.

well i was just looking around, and there are about 6 GT-four celicas in NSW for under 15,000
this one caught my eye

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/...d=124AC25D9E5B

sorry if im not allowed to post links, donno if i can or not

Not the Group A, although I guess it does have the engine from one.

yeah i just realized just after i posted, is the group A the model right after the one i posted? i think they start at 96 or something like that? bug light?

You'd be suprised about the DC2 Vti-R. Up against a supra, it may not win, but it doesnt let the supra pull a gap (stock for stock).

Up against a prelude vti-R, ive only witnessed one prelude VS integra scenario, the Lude had Intake and Exhaust and the DC2 was stock. It took a fair while for it to pull a small gap on the DC2.

Celica/FTO. Not as pretty as the Hondas. But really, they are all going to be pretty close when it comes down to it. With a good driver, any of them could take our first place.

Maybe you should look at which car extracts the most power from Normal bolt-on mods.

Example: I have been researching Supra modifcation for my friends N/A. With simple bolt on mods, I/H/E, they can take their stock 120ish rwkw to 145-150 rwkw. Probably the biggest gains would come from the Supra?

fto Has known problem of leaking head gasket.. soo you might wanted to watch for that ;)

oil drips is not fun at all...

a fto gpx is probably faster than a prelude due to the difference in weights?? i dunno...lol
VTEC Vs. MIVEC

an fto gpx is a decent car. They're voted one of the best 'imports' you can buy for reliability etc. They come with '150kw' 2litre 6cylinder in around 1180kilos from memory. But most people in the know regard that power output as very optimistic. 6.9seconds would also be very optimistic. They'd beat a prelude but a dc2r would kill one, and they're coming down in cost there days. Plus they would out handle and out brake the fto. There's a lot of good quick cars for 15k! I wouldn't look at the celica personally thou. They have similar power to weight to the type r but on the road they're a league below. The engine is all or nothing. They type r makes up for it's lack of torque with gearing. The celica has the worst chosen gearing of any modern car. It drops off cam at redline up changes! If you look at big capacity 6cylinders you'll be using a lot more fuel and wont have the same fun in the twisties. A clio sport would be a quick fun cheap option but they have serious reliability issues. Another option would be a pug 206 gti 180, again european thou. Lots of fun options around thou. Prelude are a nice car, so are the fto. I've probably taken up enough space now..

fto under 15k would not be the best option;
you've got r33 and r32 gtsts, 180sx, silvia s13 or s14, supra, gto, crx etc.

Stock vs stock from experience..

4th gen VTiR vs FTO GPX- VTiR will win until the FTO takes over at about 140kph

VTiR vs Celica ZR- VTiR wins by half a car (mainly because of vtec coming on at 5000rpm and Celica at 6000rpm

Celica vs FTO- Celica wins.

My friends and i thought we would take this test on aaaages ago and they were the results.

my mate has a FTO and we had a discussion last night and he goes that on the mitsubishi forums that they have the same discussion (VTEC v MIVEC) and they say MIVEC smashes the VTEC untilll the VTEC hits 3rd Gear, then the Mivec has no chance from then on. what do you guys think from there onwards..

thats debatable.........

i think hes right, even though i was taking the mivec side because of their 0-100 stats, but when you think of it, 3rd gear isnt as short as 2nd or 1st and the vtech kicks in at around 5200, so theres alot of lower gear torque being obtained.

lol my thread still going

well i ended up getting a DC2 vtir =]

yeah thats alright, my opinion is that depends how you look after the car, some mighyt get a faster car and not work on it, while the slower car driver works on it and keeps up if not beats it

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Originally Posted by superfast

Stock vs stock from experience..

4th gen VTiR vs FTO GPX- VTiR will win until the FTO takes over at about 140kph

VTiR vs Celica ZR- VTiR wins by half a car (mainly because of vtec coming on at 5000rpm and Celica at 6000rpm

Celica vs FTO- Celica wins.

My friends and i thought we would take this test on aaaages ago and they were the results.

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you make no sence at all, alot of confusion.....
if we are talking about 1/4 mile, your saying that a....
FTO will beat a VTiR
FTO lose to a Celica
Celica Lose to VTiR
does not make sence because your talking about friends driving, thats different, you could beat a ferrari in a VW beatle, if the ferrari driver cant drive it well

what about an e36 328i, read they do 0-100 in around 7?

I don't see why they can't. 2.8 litre highly strung inline 6 i think.

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Originally Posted by Speeder

I don't see why they can't. 2.8 litre highly strung inline 6 i think.

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Not highly strung. Only 142 kW from that 2.8L. And the car weighs 1385kg. I'd say similar to an Accord Euro if you are comparing on dry road.

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Originally Posted by Niche14

you make no sence at all, alot of confusion.....
if we are talking about 1/4 mile, your saying that a....
FTO will beat a VTiR
FTO lose to a Celica
Celica Lose to VTiR
does not make sence because your talking about friends driving, thats different, you could beat a ferrari in a VW beatle, if the ferrari driver cant drive it well

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Sorry forgot to mention that we swapped cars and got the same results.

Does that help make more sense to you?

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Originally Posted by LaZaZaL89

What about a 300ZX NA? Fkn unreliabe tho

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ur jokin me right?
POS...
ZX TT or no ZX @ all..
kthx
A VTI-R would rip the fk through a ZX NA.. 2 fkn heavy