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Just curious to know whats the fastest 1/4mile time a road registered EG civic with a N/A B16a has run on OZ?
Don't even bother posting up 14's. I'm only interested in the 13sec and lower ones. Also if there are any that have cracked a 13sec or lower, do you have any proof, vid etc.
Cheers.
street legal is very broad term.
my freinds 450hp evo is street legal ~ no mod plates what so ever, stripped and caged. but its registered on the road, does that make it street legal.
you might get people using slicks on street legal cars too
Ok to stop people having a cry I will rephrase street legal to road registered.
If it has a rego sticker on the windscreen then yes, technically it is road registered. If no rego sticker then it is not road registered. Not that hard to work out eh????
Using slicks at an event doesn't mean the car is no longer a registered vehicle, I don't care what tyres people use.
If you have cracked into the 13's and lower post up as much info as possible ie. what tyres, what engine mods, a vid etc etc
13.9@100MPH - Yoko Advan 048.
Will update with specs when i can remember.
Egb16a - 13.6
Stripped EG shell with slicks yeah Benson?Quote:
Originally Posted by Benson
Proof?Quote:
Originally Posted by phantom_civic
My turbo B16 runs 13.6 most times
Awesome!!! Thanx, looking forward to seeing specs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benson
13.6!!!!!! wow, thats quick, was it a fully worked engine, using drag slicks? What specs you have to do that?Quote:
Originally Posted by phantom_civic
Let me find clips of it on youtube.
Its not my car, Its a EG that I know of that has ran a 13.6.
It was a white one, plates EGB.16A
I think it had xforce exhuast manifold matted to a buddy club spec 2 exhaust
Integra type R cams
Port and polish head
Modified final drive
and apexi power FC
110kws on TODA RACINGS dyno.
Hmmm seems a bit far fetched with those specs. Deff need proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by phantom_civic
Can people only post up stuff if it is their own car? Saves wasting posts and debating about times etc. Plus nothing worse then someone saying "my mates mates mates car did a 8.7sec pass with a d16a"
If it is your car and you have specs and proof then post away.
So far Benny has the title me thinks.
Read above, Yokohama 048 (R compound tyres)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukezen27
Stripped EG? define stripped?
I don't know if Yokohama 048 are slicks?Quote:
Originally Posted by Benson
seats and so on removed
B16a
BC spec 3 cams
CTR pistons
70mm T/b
BC headers
Blox Air filter Combo
Stock ITR Gearbox.
Yer they are semi slicks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukezen27
Seats removed I think is a standard issue when you take a B16a EG to the drags lol
I think this guy even worked for Toda for a while PM Toda he will give you a 100% correct answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by phantom_civic
I know Paul who used to own EGB16A back in the daysQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooker
I was with him when he did that 13.6 pass.
One of the fastest allmotor b16a EG that I ever seen .
Correct , Paul used to work for TODA back in the days.Quote:
Originally Posted by ALLMTR996
shit b16s are meant to be slow for what they are lol
what was the mph ? you know yonas
LOL 13.6 on a b16a NA... and the other guy has turbo b16 and cant even get a better time
NA > Turbo
Ok, so that 13.6sec its looking quite credible. That is shifting :eek:!!!!
Any idea on the engine specs Yonas??? Was he using full drag slicks?
For what they are?????? A 1.6L with the most hp per litre of any 1.6L production engine???Quote:
Originally Posted by 90LAN
Extremely reliable (stock bottom end, who knows how many kms the engine has done, and i've done 2 years of racing, still 240psi comp on all cylinders), very cheap to maintain etc etc For what they are they seem pretty good to me, especially if when you look around you can pick one up for under 1k.
Depends what you consider fast and what you consider slow. 14's are deffinatly slow, thats why I said only post if its 13's or under. 13's are still slow but for a 1.6L its ok.
I'm embarrassed to say it but heck, my lightly modified B16a did a 14.1 over 1 year ago.
People just need to understand the B16a better, its strengths, its weaknesses (lack of torque etc), and once this is known you can use well thought out mods to improve on it and suppress its weaknesses.
A B16a in an lightened EG, coupled to a multi plate LSD, shorter gearing and well thought out chassis and engine mods is nothing to laugh at, wether it be at the drags or circuit.
People with B18's in EG's doing 14's shouldn't even bother posting their times up, what an embarrassment.
14s in a b16a powered eg is still pretty quick these days imo, like you said... "People with B18's in EG's doing 14's"
i would be happy with that!
Are you slightly retarded or just stupid?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooker
it's an embarrassment when people post stupid statements like that!
Now what's the point it this whole thread?
Did you even bother to read my sig MikeyG?Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeyG
Plus I use street tyres and that's a missive difference
Sometimes I think there should be an IQ test for this forum!!!
13.6 in the b16a is fast!... i think it was on slicks.
Its possible to get a b16a running into the 12's.
car weight without driver ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Benson
After taking my car to the drags and running a homo time of 14.1 with a very mildly modified B16a I would expect B18's to be running 13's minimum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukezen27
Maybe the people that struggle to do 13's WITH a B18 are the retarded ones.
And people that think 13's are quick are fooling themselves and need to wake up and go for a drive in a >12sec car.
13's are quick for a B16a, but in the whole scheme of drag times 13's arn't even looked at.
You use street tyres at the drags??? Well some semi slicks are still street legal and are technically street tyres. If you go to the drags without even semi slicks (which are still street tyres/Rcomps), well thats your choice, your only hurting your own times, no need to call people retards.
Why does this need to turn into a forum war/argument???The point of this thread???
All I want is to see what is the fastest B16a N/A registered EG civic in OZ.
That 13.6sec is quite impressive for a road registered EG Civic. Awesome
what tyres , what weight and what mods with your "homo" 14.1 time ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooker
Why we have to talk about my 14.1??? For a B16a its ok I guess, but as an overall time its embarrassing, thats why I havn't said anything about it for over 1 year until now.
PM me Benjamin if you really want to know but I'm not going to go into detail on this thread about how I managed to do a gay 14.1sec.
This is about B16a Road Registered EG civics that do 13's and under, not 14's.
I'm very interested in this thread, the comparisons and results..
Nobody start implying people should be embarrassed with there times but you mate!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooker
If you didn't won't a war don't start one...
And yeah I run normal street tyres coze I don't like fooling myself but each to there own
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooker
Why is the time 'homo'? and why does this thread have to be about dick measuring instead of encouraging other drivers to perform better and learn more about drag racing in general?
Ok so far we have 2 times, I thought we might of had a few more.
13.9 - Benny
13.6 - Paul.
Can we have the mods, info on both? It should be quite interesting to see the contrast or similarities in both cars.
Benny 13.9sec
Advan A048
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Paul - 13.6
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I will try crack into the 13's in the next couple months, should do easily as my car has improved over how it was a year ago. Just wana see what others did to get 13's.
Cheers
why is a 14 second pass with a B16A 'gay' - i think thats quiet respectable? Running a 13 second pass with a B16A will not be a regular thing either unless its very very modified with a very very good driver and very good conditions!
Are you getting out of track and into drag Dan?
Correct 14's in a street EG civic (full interior etc) is ok, but as I was saying, I don't care if a Suzuki Cappuccino does a 14sec N/A cos at the end of the day 14's are slow. Its not the car you do it in, just 14's are slow.Quote:
Originally Posted by SINISTR
For a particular car it might be very very quick but in the whole scheme of drag racing a 14 isn't recognized, though maybe for tractor drag racing lol.
You are correct about 13's in a road registered EG Civic also "unless its very very modified with a very very good driver and very good conditions!"
What I said that was crap, is people with B18's that post that they did 14's when they should easily be doing 13's.
For a B16a road registered 13's is not that common I agree. As we can see, in the whole of OZ there are only 2 cars that have (probably a couple more that arn't on the forums).
I'm not getting into drag racing haha.
My car is a circuit car but I'm just curious how many people have done 13's and what specs, as I think I can get there also when I go in the next couple of months.
I think it will be quite funny if I do seeing as my engine setup is very basic (no massive cams, stock bottom end etc etc but with a killer engine tune from one of the best tuners in W.A), but no point talking about it, I have to go out and do it.
I don't like the way this thread is turning out haha. I don't mean to be rude but I don't wana do idle chat about me and my car. Please don't care about me and my car. Its not important. People just stick to the 13sec B16a road registered thread.
PM if you want to talk about things not related to this thread.
Paul was running circuit semi slicks
If im not mistaken 99 mph. His gearbox was the key to run 13.6 sec.
I did 96mph so yer that sounds about right. Thanks yonas.
How much time you reckon 8" drag slicks will save you over circuit semi slicks, more then 0.5sec or it depends on a number of factors?
Depends on alot of factors , Paul got a close ratio gearbox. So yeah thats the key for it even when he only got 110kw@wheelsQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooker
Sounds like a very similar setup to me. I have closer then standard ratios and around 110kwatw also.Quote:
Originally Posted by EG5
It will be interesting then what I get when I go in a few months. I know it will do 13's for sure but a 13.6sec, I dunno????
I did the 14.1sec pass with 50kg more weight in my car then what I have now, plus I have done a few other minor improvments etc hmm it should be very close to a 13.6sec I think, but only time will tell. I'll let you know.
Cheers
Gearing and weight are the key to a B16a running good numbers at the drags or circuit,I went for a run in the old BYP B16a bottomend powered EG the other day its now got a better flowing head on it fitted with Spoon cams and a B16a gearbox still very impressive when the engine is worked hard but a 4.9 or 5.1 final drive it really needs to get the best out of it.It made 110kw on Insight Motorsports dyno
Car had the 6 point bolt in cage back then. I would of weigh the 1000kg markQuote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
And yes, gearing is a very important ingredient for the 1.6L engine
Got a vid of the car gonig down Eastern Creek Raceway straightQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS4Q9nfE_j0
Gearing is very important for ANY car at the drags. But for some reason, not many Honda people look at this side of their package.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benson
..and at the circuit as well - especially circuit. Gearing helps keep the car in the appropriate powerband. But yes, it is not a normally looked at side of modifications cause it most are too pre-occupied with getting more power.
But is POWER not everything :eek:I just love the Replacement for Displacement saying you guys use its so true and all these noobs look at power before gearingQuote:
Originally Posted by e240
Sssshhh, now the secrets out haha
Gearing/drivetrain was my first mod lol.
As I said my previous post, if you understand the strengths and weaknesses of the B16a then you can improve on it with surprising results.
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Originally Posted by Cooker
so what does your car run and what mods does it have ?
Edit: ok i see your time
he was on semi slicks just soft compoundQuote:
Originally Posted by fatboyz39
Is that NA or boost?Quote:
Originally Posted by IEVAQ8
oopppsss..........lolQuote:
Originally Posted by jords
We all know that answer hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by jords
thats why h2b is born, gearing gearing and gearing. Honda fanboy knew about this all along. Btw nicely putQuote:
Originally Posted by grumpy rooster
honda got it right with the k series and the 6 speed.
Fellas.... Take a tip from an old man.....
Drag racing is all about WEIGHT/GEARING/HORSEPOWER in that order.:thumbsup:
Lighten it as much as possible.
Gear it for max revs @ 1320ft according to your weight shifted estimate of Horsepower.
After that, just pull gears as quick as you can and maximize traction in the first 2 gears.
Nuff Said :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by grumpy rooster
hey cooker... what mods did u have to get a 14.x.. and what 60ft?
there is no replacement for displacement..
else get a turbo
If I was trying to build a record breaking 1/4mile car I would not have a B16a.
My car is a circuit car and for the time being the B16a is holding up just fine, even allowing me to nab the lap record at barbagalo's.
When I have more $$$ I will upgrade to a bigger engine but will always stay N/A.
The reason I am taking my car down to the drags in the next couple of months is out of pure curiosity.
Are you in Sydney?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooker
I'll come :)
Always keen to see if I can break my PB :)
Nah, I'm in Perth W.A
soz
been a couple months.. update?
Nah not yet. Will be soon though. Wana go down before April.
This video is so full of win. Just awesome watching him catch them on the corners.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benson
Got that righQuote:
Originally Posted by Troy
1.6L NA pownage :thumbsup:
Did you go down again Daniel ??
I missed out - they're closed for winter now.. but will meet you down there when they open back up - while it's still cold :P
I'll be happy if I beat a 'homo' 14.5" LOL.. PB is 14.60" but have less weight and more power since then.. Clutch is wearing and i am still only on street tyres (not semis) so there's a tenth or so there if I can get some rubber...
Keep me posted :)
14.1 not 14.5 lol only homo in overall drag times, for 1.6L is good.
Nah I didn't get a chance to get out, I'm on my 3rd gearbox (rebuild) and earlier this year pulled the flywheel out and got it machined up cos clutch was slipping like a mutha from heat warpage, so I sorta chickened out from going in April to save the car for circuit stuff (3rd gear has started to crunch!!!! Looks like rebuild number 4 on the way haha)
I will try to head out once the drags reopen again and its sill cool, but maybe I'll wait till I'm ready to do another gearbox build and then go down just before.
Will keep posted.
MY say on 1/4 miles drags, people have to reliese that have big power figures won't just get you a good time. number 1 - LSD (Compulsorary) no LSD no time.
2 - gearing is very important, we don't want the revs drop too much, you wanna stay in the vtec power band.
3 - weight, reducing weight will make huge differences.
4 - Flywheel - by reducing the weight of your flywheel(getting it machined) or buying a lightened one will make huge differences. You want your car to rev faster. its a lot easier for a engine to turn over say 8 kg's compared to 12 - 18kg's.
5 - Tires - Getting good tires is very important, there no point having all of the above if you cant put the power to the ground.
6 - Smart mods - Ecu, CAI, Headers, proper exhaust, cams and cam gears, lighter and better valves, springs and other head work.
7 - car is maintaned, new engine and transmission oil, run an engine flush every now and again. make the engine happy and healthy.
all of the above will make a car run some good times. you cant just jump the cue and put an cai and headers on and assume that your going to run 13's
you must focus on other aspects.
and 14.1 is a good time, people don't reliese that this is fast. the VZ clubsport runs 14.3 from factory and thats a car that costs 50k+. 14.1 is impressive in my books.
So if your serious about building a good drag car then take in all of the above.
mates got a 300kw b16a turbocharged.
tuned on 98 octane petrol
his selling it soon.
Good stuff man, +1 rep to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by trentd
Yer thats all well and good but LOL, I don't care about drags or building a drag car hahaha
I just go down every couple of years for curiosity sake lol
My car is a Track/circuit car and that is the area that is focused on, not 1/4mile times, thanks for info though :cool: