Honda FEO Premium - Honda FEO Ultra - Comparison/Review

cars going in for exhaust + service 2moro and i am changing from FEO Premium to FEO Ultra

so i thought i would share some pics and info with everyone

im only just learning about synthetic oils lol

also there was an invoice enclosure and my mobile number on the front of the FEO Ultra bottle - so i have done my best with the pics =)


my collection of OEM fluids
http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/p...g?t=1283329591

FEO Premium front
http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/p...g?t=1283329627

FEO Ultra front
http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/p...g?t=1283329626

back comparison
http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/p...g?t=1283329598

FEO Premium back
http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/p...g?t=1283329601

FEO Ultra back
http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/p...g?t=1283329602

FEO Premium lid...
http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/p...g?t=1283329606

FEO Ultra lid... (i found this interesting)
http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/p...g?t=1283329605

hope somebody finds this useful in some way lol

more info to come after a few weeks of use =)

care to share the price difference?

i pay $30odd for FEO Premium and today i got the FEO Ultra for $55

both at discount prices because i buy so much stuff through my local honda dealer parts manager =)

no idea about RRP's tho

theres another thread here about the new oil:

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...tic-Engine-Oil

hmmm...I read that many people don't like going from a mineral oil to full synthetic. Something about syn oils cleaning the engine and causing leaks.
But since Honda has released a fully syn oil there shouldn't be a problem with going from FEO to FEO Ultra right?

Anyway I still like my Castrol Edge 5w30 oil...

Thread moved out of DIY / Review forum as this isn't a review.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by migoreng

hmmm...I read that many people don't like going from a mineral oil to full synthetic. Something about syn oils cleaning the engine and causing leaks.
But since Honda has released a fully syn oil there shouldn't be a problem with going from FEO to FEO Ultra right?

---

Yep, I also had read/heard something similar about this. I actually rang Honda 2 or so weeks ago about getting some new FEO oil and they told me they were getting this new fully synthetic oil in shortly; so I questioned him on whether changing from my current semi-synthetic (Magnatec) to a full synthetic would result in leaks to the seals etc.

His response was no and that he would only use a fully synthetic oil for my EK anyway as it protects the engine better... (would be interesting to do a bit more research on this...)

ANYWAY, has anyone ever asked their Honda dealer who makes the oil for Honda? It's obviously not Honda, so it must be one of the big oil companies; which in essence means you might be paying a premium for what you think is Honda oil but is probably something you could buy off the shelf at Supercheap anyway... would be interesting to hear what you guys think...?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TheSaint

i pay $30odd for FEO Premium and today i got the FEO Ultra for $55

both at discount prices because i buy so much stuff through my local honda dealer parts manager =)

no idea about RRP's tho

theres another thread here about the new oil:

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...tic-Engine-Oil

---

Honda quoted me RRP for Ultra @ $67. I got offered trade price of $60, but $55 is pretty good Saint!

I asked him who makes the oil and he said it could be Mobil 1, but he wasn't 100% sure...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Alvis

ANYWAY, has anyone ever asked their Honda dealer who makes the oil for Honda? It's obviously not Honda, so it must be one of the big oil companies;

---

As has been previously discussed...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TheSaint

http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/p...g?t=1283329605

---

Attachment 15888
Look familiar?

The only question is if as Ben said the other day.... the "normal" FEO is indeed the same as Caltex oil that is sold as Calibre branded oil. Is there a Calibre branded full synth oil on the shelves of Supercrap?

caltex specially formulate the oil to hondas strict guidlines - it wont be the same as other off the shelf products - similar perhaps - but not the same

could be another reason why my hondas have always ran the best on caltex fuel - i always get 96 or 98 from an industrial deppo - cleaner and cheaper =)

tried BP 98 in my Dc2 once - it didnt like it much lol

So has anyone actually run this in the car yet? my car is due for it's 100K service, and I want to go with a good oil for it, usually use the Castrol Edge

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by tseesinngwailo

So has anyone actually run this in the car yet? my car is due for it's 100K service, and I want to go with a good oil for it, usually use the Castrol Edge

---

Had a 160,000k service done yesterday.............had them put FEO Ultra in.......also had all fluids,filters etc done as i have just bought the car and wanted everything up to date.

went for an extended drive on the way home.........so smooth compared to before.......and u can barely hear the motor idling :thumbsup:

In 1000 or 10,000ks well i guess time will tell.......:angel:

$54 for 5 litres :cool:

that's not a bad price too...

think i'll be giving it a go next time as well ;)

Bugger this! I just rang Honda at Blacktown, $71.80 for 5 Litres, I think we should organise a group buy through someone who works at Honda, $55 would be much better
Even not on special the Castrol Edge is cheaper

Wonder why there is such desparity in price between dealers.......they must be able to charge wat they please......

Actually the :honda:spare parts dept quoted me $33 a few days earlier......sevice dept charged me $54 ......go figure

Im in a large regional town so u would think that would mean higher prices than city......go figure no.2

:confused:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Baboy

Wonder why there is such desparity in price between dealers.......they must be able to charge wat they please......

Actually the :honda:spare parts dept quoted me $33 a few days earlier......sevice dept charged me $54 ......go figure

Im in a large regional town so u would think that would mean higher prices than city......go figure no.2

:confused:

---

Some parts centres will give you a cheap price if you buy some stuff frequently..Went to ask for a a PCV valve from a Honda parts centre recently, $62 WTF?
Went to another centre, bought some oil/filters, got a small discount + managed to get a pcv valve for $30...
;)

But anyways, my car is fine with Edge 5w30 so I will stay with it for now.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SPEEDCORE

As has been previously discussed...

The only question is if as Ben said the other day.... the "normal" FEO is indeed the same as Caltex oil that is sold as Calibre branded oil. Is there a Calibre branded full synth oil on the shelves of Supercrap?

---

http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/onl...222318#details

I did my car 2 weekends ago, I found the engine much smoother now, and fuel economy did seem to be better, but I must admit the first thing I did was around 250klms of freeway driving. I will be using this from now on, If I do get to do some track work I might change, but I think even for just a reasonable track day this would be OK (I am not into redlining all day) My only downside is the $71 for 5 litres, shame it's not a little cheaper

i rem a while back that in Japan they use honda oil but it is full synthethic.
I believe its just the jap spec stuff.
Caltex has been making all the oils for honda ever since it released its oil.

Also the Calibre brand now also have full synthetic also, i'm wondering if they are the same.....

Nope, they're not the same, as stated before it's formulated by honda, but packaged by caltex. I'd say it's just made in the caltex factory but it IS honda's design. I even asked honda about it when I bought it, and they said the same thing.

Also about the calibre stuff, I work at supercheap and I can assure you that all of Calibre's products are just repackaged and rebadged, same sort of scheme as DRIFT (autobarn). The oil is just the normal types of caltex stuff.

Here's a list of the brands Calibre use:

Oil: Caltex
Tools: Stanley
Boss Kits: Autotechnica
Bulbs: Narva
Guages and Air Filters are the same as DRIFT (not sure what brand DRIFT use)

I find it kinda interesting that none of the Honda oils are API certified...well, they dont seem to bear the API certification stamp...?

How does this compare with Mobil1 0W-40 (Gold packaging).

The last oil change was using Honda's semi synthetic 10W-40. I'm planning on using Mobil1. But if this stuff is as good as Mobil1, then I can give it a shot. As long as my honda dealer dont try and screw me over in price (quoted $22.40 for an oil filter!)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by sensei_

How does this compare with Mobil1 0W-40 (Gold packaging).

The last oil change was using Honda's semi synthetic 10W-40. I'm planning on using Mobil1. But if this stuff is as good as Mobil1, then I can give it a shot. As long as my honda dealer dont try and screw me over in price (quoted $22.40 for an oil filter!)

---

Gold Mobil 1 is the European formula, group 4 synthetic, I have M1 0w-40 in my engine now, it doesn't rev as freely as the M1 Extended performance (5w-30) I had before.
This Honda FEO ultra is 5w-30, group 3 synthetic (cheaper base oil). If it's Caltex base oil then it would be the same base oil used in Penrite/SCA Calibre etc.

I think FEO should be quite a bit cheaper (I hope), because the M1 gold is like $90 odd dollars at Supercheap et al.

For alternatives, there is a Melbourne based mob and they got Royal Purple full synthetic for $14 a quart, or a Sydney mob that sells M1 Extended Performance for $70/6 quarts (or approx 5.6ltr's)

Slightly off topic, but whats the real difference between the 10W-40 vs something like 0W-40 or 5W-30.

The viscosity. Basically the thickness of the oil when it's hot and cold. Some engines require more protection and so need the higher numbers. Usually diesel engines and old engines. 5w-30 would be the one I'ld go, since it's "thinner" it'll creates less friction internally, so you get more power and better fuel economy... in theory. 0w is too thin imo.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ChaosMaster

5w-30 would be the one I'ld go, since it's "thinner" it'll creates less friction internally

---

If you rubbed 2 pieces of metal against each other,one with thin oil and one with thick,which would make more friction? :)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by EKVTIR-T

If you rubbed 2 pieces of metal against each other,one with thin oil and one with thick,which would make more friction? :)

---

Depends.

If the 2 pieces of metal are at a fixed distance between each other (and does not budge), the thicker oil could create more pressure, and in turn, create extra resistance/friction.

I saw a new Honda FEO Ultra at a Honda dealer spart parts shop. It is a 'newer' product and it doesn't mention 'Synthetic' anymore. Anynone know more about it?