( cl9 ) transmission filter

Lads,
Recently my 05 accord euro auto has had the judder at 1500-2000 rpm people have spoken about on here. I am up to the third fluid drain & fill, which seems to have fixed the problem. But i want to change the inline transmission filter and was given a prices of $75 from Honda dealer for this part, after he told me it did not have a inline filter. Seems the Honda dealers do not know much, as i gave him the part number for it. Any way looking around i did find a magnefine 3/8 inline transmission filter for about $25 delivered from eBay. Question i have is any body used one before and was it a easy fit, does it fit in the Honda bracket.

I am looking for this part aswell if anyone can shed some light need to get it asap too. Think i have the same judder you are on about did the fluid swap stop it? Did you do oil change yourself?

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...21#post3080121

I have magnefine on mine right now, no, the oem bracket didnt fit, not that I worry about it that much.

Have you a link to the exact filter you bought?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/INLINE-3-...#ht_1768wt_906
my link is no longer valid, but this is the same thing

Thanks for that, is it definitely a 3/8 inline filter as i know they come different sizes.

3/8 is what im using.

For the life of me, I don't think the CU2 2012 has this filter. I can't find the bastard.

Hogan, the 2 fluid changes i have done have seem to have fixed the judder, but i want to change the filter when i do the third fluid change and yes i did do it myself because i would not like to see what Honda would charge for this as the fluid alone was not cheap. This is a easy diy, drained fluid ,filled back up, i drove car for approx 50k to work and back (suburb/highway) between changes. The magnefine filter i was looking at was the one that fredoops made the link to. The Honda factory filter part number is 25430-PLR-003.

Fredoops , i end up biting the bullet and ordering the one from Honda , mates brother got for me for trade price 10% off been ordered and paid for, so next time i will try the magnefine filter as i could almost buy 3 for that price.

Hogan if you are buying the Honda transmission fluid tell them you want ATF-dw1 fluid, not ATF-z1 which they say is all they have, the ATF-dw1 is the replacement for ATF-z1

Thanks for that man, I got redline d4 fluid as a few have recommended that. Any specialist tools needed to do the fluid swap or do you have a diy link to how its done? Just need to get the inline filter going to call around tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by euro181

Fredoops , i end up biting the bullet and ordering the one from Honda , mates brother got for me for trade price 10% off been ordered and paid for, so next time i will try the magnefine filter as i could almost buy 3 for that price.

Hogan if you are buying the Honda transmission fluid tell them you want ATF-dw1 fluid, not ATF-z1 which they say is all they have, the ATF-dw1 is the replacement for ATF-z1

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If you are going to replace the fluid every 20k the filter will last you a long long time.

All you need is a 3/8 square drive ratchet or breaker bar ,flat screw driver, a 10mm spanner and a long neck funnel or funnel with hose on it .Just do a advance search on transmission fluid change, you will find what you need .

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Originally Posted by Fredoops

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/INLINE-3-...#ht_1768wt_906
my link is no longer valid, but this is the same thing

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Hey I bought this one and I just want to warn others that it's not authentic. I stumbled across this a little earlier: http://rdx.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=887394

Anyway, $25 down the drain but better than a destroyed transmission.

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Originally Posted by Rich

Hey I bought this one and I just want to warn others that it's not authentic. I stumbled across this a little earlier: http://rdx.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=887394

Anyway, $25 down the drain but better than a destroyed transmission.

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Mine is a Raybestos one, it has Raybestos sticker on it.

Worked fine so far. I'll check on it and report back.

BTW it flows towards the cabin, now away from

UPDATE 1.
Just checked, filters fine, no leak, transmission fluid level normal.

Will replace it at next service and open it to see inside.

UPDATE 2.

I have a spare identical raybestos fiter.

So I cracked it open, damage the casing in the process, destroyed a perfectly good filter....


Yes it made in China, no the top does not leak, in fact it's so frigging tightly screwe together I ended up cutting and hammer/chisel into the top to get it friggin open.

The paper filter quality is excellent, by pass valve spring works as expected, no excess glue found on the filter.

Nothing wrong with my those Chinese Raybestos I got.

Now I had to friggin buy a replacemet for my next service.... Or I could reuse the current one, open the top, replace the inside, and superglue it shut.

You're welcome to have my Raybestos filter as I'd rather not risk it. Just PM me if you're keen.

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Originally Posted by Rich

You're welcome to have my Raybestos filter as I'd rather not risk it. Just PM me if you're keen.

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That's ok, I'll have a crack and reassembling it from the old casing

I spoke to Stewart at Boss Components (makers of Magnefine). Apparently their patents lapsed recently so the market is being flooded by clones. While he did not make any claims about the Raybestos filter directly, many of the clones offer virtually no filtration benefit and some do break or leak.

I went with the ebay version because the supplier seemed reputable and I believed I would indeed get a Magnefine filter given the ad mentioned the brand name 5 times (not to mention OEM supplier, patented design etc). Needless to say, the Chinese made Raybestos filter is not patented nor used by OEM so I'm arguing that point with the ebay seller at the moment.

Anyway, if you're after a genuine Magnefine filter that is made in Australia to ISO quality standards, Repco can source them. It's stock number 71200 and it costs $38. I've spent $140 changing the oil so I don't personally see the benefit in saving $20 on a filter that may fail with expensive consequences.

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Originally Posted by Rich

I went with the ebay version because the supplier seemed reputable and I believed I would indeed get a Magnefine filter given the ad mentioned the brand name 5 times (not to mention OEM supplier, patented design etc). Needless to say, the Chinese made Raybestos filter is not patented nor used by OEM so I'm arguing that point with the ebay seller at the moment.

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Keen to know how you went with that.

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Originally Posted by Fredoops

Keen to know how you went with that.

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Actually good so far. They immediately responded (despite being Sunday night) and offered to pay postage + refund if I sent it back. It's not really worth my time and effort to be honest but they've promised to contact Boss Components to get to the bottom of it.

great i bought 2 of those raybestos thinking I would get magnafine.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/321035325610

yet to install.

I have to say I was impressed by the guys at Boss Components. I suppose I'd never really thought about the design that goes into a simple filter but they're properly CAD designed with flow models and magnet calculations here, there and everywhere. For eg think how a clogged magnet may disrupt the flow of oil or how an over-powered magnet may attract material to the leading edge only. These design elements may or may not create a problem after 10,000 - 20,000 kms which is why OEMs don't accept a component until it's done literally millions of kms of proven testing. I can see how just copying a design wont necessarily produce an effective result and that's before you look at manufacturing tolerances.

Apparently these filters are also good for steering systems. Has anyone tried on a Honda?

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Originally Posted by Rich

Apparently these filters are also good for steering systems. Has anyone tried on a Honda?

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I thought about it, but realized Honda have VERY thick (high viscosity) PS fluids, not sure i want to try that with a filter.

Update
Got a genuine magnafine from a local shop for $17

It's heavier than the Chinese raybestos, and comes with 2 hose clamps.

Here's a photo of the Chinese raybestos cracked open.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1E18F7812C.jpg


Here's the geuine and Chinese version side by side.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1D0EC42C86.jpg

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Originally Posted by Fredoops

Update
Got a genuine magnafine from a local shop for $17

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Nice price. Mind telling us where you scored that?

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Originally Posted by Rich

Nice price. Mind telling us where you scored that?

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GV fronts on eBay, they are based in Sheppardton. vic

Which one is the genuine one? Left or right?

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Originally Posted by alex_tdr

Which one is the genuine one? Left or right?

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Right, one with magnafine written on it instead of raybestos

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Originally Posted by Fredoops

I thought about it, but realized Honda have VERY thick (high viscosity) PS fluids, not sure i want to try that with a filter.

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Here's a DIY for power steering if anyone is interested: http://rdx.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=828859

Looks complicated but could be worthwhile.

Damn, I got screwed on the Magnafine filter from US eBay as they shipped me a Raybestos.
They advertised it as a Magnafine but I didn't open the package in time to realise what had happened.
I bought it 2 months ago after reading Fredoops original transmission post so I can't do anything about it now. Pr*cks.

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Originally Posted by Snowcone

Damn, I got screwed on the Magnafine filter from US eBay as they shipped me a Raybestos.
They advertised it as a Magnafine but I didn't open the package in time to realise what had happened.
I bought it 2 months ago after reading Fredoops original transmission post so I can't do anything about it now. Pr*cks.

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Can probably ask them about it, asking why it's advertised as a magnefine

It's obvious after reading the start of this thread that the seller knew exactly what they were doing when they sold the Raybestos as a Magnafine filter and being in the USA makes it too expensive to send it back so I will just throw it in the back of the spare parts cupboard.
I just bought what I hope is a genuine one from Aussie eBay from the same seller as Fredoops mentions above.

Damn I ended up with one of those Raybestos ones from eBay too, was going to get it installed this week! Ordered a legit one for $17 from gvfront ebay store. Rather spend the $17 even if the cheapo one is actually OK.

It's pretty bad people sell it under Magnefine name, it is trademarked after all.

I just received my magnefine filter for the transmission fluid.
Did you use cable tie to secure the magnefine filter, Fred? Did you also reduce the length of the rubber hose/line?
And I am assuming you use the same hose clamps.

Thanks

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Originally Posted by Fredoops

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...21#post3080121

I have magnefine on mine right now, no, the oem bracket didnt fit, not that I worry about it that much.

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Originally Posted by Martin77

I just received my magnefine filter for the transmission fluid.
Did you use cable tie to secure the magnefine filter, Fred? Did you also reduce the length of the rubber hose/line?
And I am assuming you use the same hose clamps.

Thanks

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i didn't cut the rubber hose/line,

and did secure it with a long cable tie at one point, but the 2nd replacement, I didnt, it's pretty tight there with the stiff 3/8 hose so I didnt see the need for it. So my filter's hanging loose at the moment, no problems


PS: once you replaced filter, cut open the old one and see how dirty it is inside, you'd be surprised.

Thanks Fred,
I did it. That was difficult for me to do. I removed the air box and the fuse box (partially) and there wasn't much space especially trying to remove the inner hose clamp and the filter (it was stuck, the barb is doing its job so well). Next time I will need to buy different tool before attempting to do another one. A normal combination pliers and long nose didn't cut it. Maybe an angle long nose or something. Fat fingers and hands does not help either.

I cut the old one as you suggested and you are right it was pretty dirty. It was good that I got the magnefine as the filter cartridge of the original is quite small (diameter of 47mm and height of 30 mm). It doesn't have the bypass valve nor magnet. I did secure it with a cable tie (peace of mind).

The original filter has 25 pleats and 14 mm deep. Its 30 mm high.
Total filtration area = 30x(25x2x14)=21000 mm2
Equivalent to about 14 by 14 cm area.

I wonder what the magnefine filtration area is?

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Originally Posted by Martin77

The original filter has 25 pleats and 14 mm deep. Its 30 mm high.
Total filtration area = 30x(25x2x14)=21000 mm2
Equivalent to about 14 by 14 cm area.

I wonder what the magnefine filtration area is?

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Magnefine is (approx):

30-32 pleats
50mm diameter
about 15mm deep (due to the bypass valve in the middle)
just under 50mm high

so
50x(30x2x15) = 45000 mm2

about a 21x21 cm area, over double the filtration area.

thats not including the magnet on top either.

Thanks Fred.
Magnefine is cheaper and should last longer. It would be perfect if it was made out of metal (stronger and better cooling).
Its time to do my fuel filter today. I need to find the access panel somewhere under the dynamat sheeting. I will start somewhere in the middle behind the back seat.