im looking to get either dc2 integra type-r or dc5 integra type-r
jus wanted to know peoples opinions and experiences with either.
thanks
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im looking to get either dc2 integra type-r or dc5 integra type-r
jus wanted to know peoples opinions and experiences with either.
thanks
I reckon go the DC2R .. They look better.. my 2c
If I had a choice, I'd get the DC2 also :)
i dunno... i'd always go with the newer stuff :)
the k20a has a ton of aftermarket potential, you're getting a newer, more torsionally rigid and -most likely- safer, car.
i've driven one (not in anger mind you) and i thought it was reasonable, if i little isolated for my taste. could do with more noise and power, but thats easily fixed. the only thing that really left me wondering was the strange steering, i didn't like it at all. seemed to feel a little vague, and too heavy.
anywho... the motor is a gem. i'd go for it for that alone. if i had the dosh :P
by the way, anyone care to explain how to shoehorn the engine into my dc2??
get the dc5r, so that I can always see u in my rear view mirror when we drag :D :D :D
personally, i would take a brand new dc5r from the dealership :D
haha go ginggang
im looking forward to see the first k20 dc2 =P
DC2R all the way. If you can get one with the JDM front buy it! You won't be disappointed, they are awesome cars.
You planning on doing track work? What are your plans?
sadly the australian dc5r isn't really worth it i feel...
if you can get your hands on a jdm dc2r.. :twisted:
DC5-R m8 ;)
im likeing the DC5 for looks and interior but DC2 for speed and price, so im not sure yet, i was told the aus spec DC5 type-r is an american spec DC5 non type-r with badges, something like that. anywaythanks for the input.. oh yeh can anyone confirm how much faster the DC2 is to the DC5?
The Aus delivered DC5R is a rebadged Type-S from the States. Honda Australia ripped us off once again.
Aus delivered dc5r is basically same as JDM type r exterior and interior however stuck with the acura RSX engine (k20a2)... there are components simailar to the rsx however aus spec comes with LSD which the yank counterparts dont get..
While the engine is not the JDM engine, it has major tuning potential. Responds remarkably well with simple bolt ons.. The dc2r engine has reached the end of its potential..
In terms of speed.. both stock, dc2r wins straightline
catback on dc5r vs dc2r...dc5r wins
there isnt really that much..
However stock vs stock around track dc2r owns aus dc5r
both are good choices over the rexy and 200sx. either way you will be happy. my choice is obvious of which one to get... i got mine because it is lighter, handles better, and quicker. it also doesn't look big. have u ever seen a dc5r next to a dc2r? you'll understand what i mean...
oh and i forgot to mention that i like the rawer sounding engine which to me gives it the feel of a race car, not that a dc5r doesn't sound raw, but not as much. also, dc2r is limited edition while dc5r is more 'commercialised'...
if you want the aus delivered dc5r, and want to go hardcore in modifications (eg, change control arms, cams, suspension, calipers, etc) then get the aus dc5r...otherwise you will begin to realise how jipped we are by honda australia...we don't have brembos, therefore different offset to jdm dc5r (jdm dc5r offset is +60), and our suspension is totally different to the jdm version
we use ep3 brake caliper system and disc... :x
but....the DC5 is the newer ITR...and it's true aftermarket potential hasn't been tapped..
ARe u sure that the dc5r uses calipers and discs from EP3? Where did u get this information from?
I was under the impression that aus dc5r ended up using same brakes as used on s2000..
But yeah, too bad we didnt get the brembos..however there are plenty of aftermarkets systems to choose from :D
Not t/b forgotten!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenon
Double wishbone suspension front & rear on DC2R! :P
Only cooking Mc Pherson's struts on DC5R :(
u get lots of potential on the aus spec k20a beause it wasn't tuned to the max from the factory like the b18c.
the aus spec dc2 didn't get the 16" rims, extractors, hid and bits of other small stuffs, but thank goodnees we get the jspec motor unlike the americans :twisted:
back to the topic, u should take both for a test drive and buy what u like.
any reason why? :) lol...Quote:
Originally Posted by A'PEXi
Bring it on.Quote:
Originally Posted by 96vti
Im yet to find a stock 2, or similarly modified DC2 thats faster. On a track in stock form your probably looking at 1 or 2 seconds difference a lap, but a touch of driver training will most likely fix that problem. They are basically EXACTLY the same speed.
Do yourself a favour, get a new car that hasn't been reemed by someone else. Remember, DC2 outlived any Honda chassis lifecycle, it is a 1994 shape. That being said, it's a tested and proven car that I would handover my DC5 and my left nut for a JDM specimen of either.
In regards to crying about Australia getting a soft version, well we also got a softer DC2, just to a lesser extent and its not just cosmetic modifications. The headers are different.
Unleash a DC5, spending $2,000 on exhaust/intake and your putting out similar power to the JDM spec anyways.
Rawer sounding? Care to come for a ride? Yeh, its more commercialised but ITR is a niche market anyways it will never be a 'wrx'. I don't have a special badge on my car no, but I have a chassis number ... thats a number thats only on my car? Does that make it limited?Quote:
Originally Posted by dc2r
Really ... its about personal opinion. Buy what suits you best, not what your mates think you should buy.
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Originally Posted by dc2r
I really do think your personal opinions are coming out here spite. I'm not here to cause beef dude. I didn't say that the dc5r didn't sound raw (read post above). This is what I've been told by other people who have experienced both (as in ClubRSX, I'm from there you know). The dc5r is NOT a limited edition like the dc2r (again taking this advice from ClubRSX).Quote:
Rawer sounding? Care to come for a ride? Yeh, its more commercialised but ITR is a niche market anyways it will never be a 'wrx'. I don't have a special badge on my car no, but I have a chassis number ... thats a number thats only on my car? Does that make it limited?
Really ... its about personal opinion. Buy what suits you best, not what your mates think you should buy.
My point is that those are relatively mute points. They are personal opinion, and nothing else.
DC5 has a new car warranty, DC2 doesn't.
DC5 comes with newer styling (like it or not), ones from 1994.
DC5 is cheaper to insure.
DC5 has more interior space.
DC5 uses marginally less petrol.
DC5 has more sound deading in cabin, better for sound. (This is useless with aftermarket zorst/intake ;))
DC5 has an alarm/immobiliser already.
DC5 has better aftermarket potential.
If none of the above are important .... then just personal opinion :).
If you can afford it, I would go for the DC5. I have spent considerable time in both and I can tell you personally DC5 is the one for me. There's a whole list of things better in the DC5 that are often overlooked because people are too busy saying 'we got the shit one'.
Does this mean a BMW M3/M5 is shit too?Quote:
Originally Posted by olda
DC2 is a more performance orientated car out of the box but we're all going to mod it right? :P
btw, the s15 is better than both, so ner :P
& DC5-R is quicker than DC2-R!
hehehehehe ;)
Umm in what way is the s15 better?? Straightline only?
It seems that ppl like to bag out dc5r because it isnt jdm spec..well the dc2r is not quite jdm spec either but nobody says anything.. how about the wrx, s15 etc..
One of the biggest complaint is that the dc5r didnt come with brembos..so what? IMO brembo are good brakes, but there are a lot better ones too,. Also Dc2r never came with brembos either..
Having driven both cars, and owning a dc5r, i would choose the dc5r if i had the choice again... The dc2r is an excellent track car with good power and handling, however is quite harsh on the road which i spent 99% of my time driving..
The dc5r was not built to be an all-out track weapon as the dc2r and combines the quality and comfort of a road car with some of the performance ability of a race car. People can make up their own minds to what they prefer.....
My 2 cents.. :)
sorry..my bad..only discs, caliper size is same as s2000Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenon
Centrax Auto in brisbane are ENDLESS dealers in Australia
they got endless japan to make mini 6 pot caliper system to fit the aus dc5r and endless japan said it's the same measurement and dimentions as the EP3R
it's rwd, it'll going to be cheaper to get an extra ~50kw out of it, it does have more outright performance potential (which goes back to it being rwd).Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenon
just go and test drive both
then make sure you really love it
then think about mods later on
BMW would love to have a double wishbone suspension on M3's & M5's.Quote:
Originally Posted by spite
It would make the chassis a much more driver "communicative".
Unfortunately BMW had the basic chassis design "locked in" well before the M3/M5 twins were thought of. And once the underbody is "signed off", nothing can be done.
So M3/M5 suspension is by no means a shit, but very much a compromise. 8) 8) 8)
Hey the dc5r isn't quicker than a dc2r...
And if you check the cornering speed of a Type-R compared to the S15, guess who has a higher cornering speed around the track? So how is the S15 better?? Just because it's RWD, doesn't mean it's better. I'm sure Honda could have made the Type-R a RWD if they wanted (like the S2000 and NSX). How many FWD cars do you know that can out-perform a RWD?
Anyway, it's off topic. I just had to get that out. I forgot who posted this thread, but go and test drive both and then get back to us when you've bought your car, and let us know which one you liked better. Cool?
I drove 2 DC5 R's before buying DC2 R.
Likes - DC5 R 6sp g/b, e/g torque, front end styling
- DC2 R steering, handling, brakes, gear shift, mechanical noise, o'all styling,
Dislikes - DC5R Steering, handling, o'all styling - (too narrow and too tall)
- DC2R would prefer 6sp g/b and a 2 lt engine.
Here's my 2c worth! 8)
:roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by dc2r
i've already listed the reasons for why i think it's better performance proposition. do you really want me to repeat the post?
personally, i'd pick a dc2r over an s13/14/15. purely because i like the car and i feel it's what i'm after in that kind of car. makes the right noises, handles well enough and looks decent. however, i'm not going to live in denial and talk myself into thinking the dc2r is a better performance car than an s15- it just isn't the case.
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Originally Posted by spite
Struts aren't such a problem on the front suspension when the power is being sent to the rear wheels. In a FWD car, now you have problems :p
Love the DC5 for looks, engine and interior; but handling wise DC2 all the way. DC5 for street and DC2 for track. Comes to personal priorities I guess.
S15s aren't so bad just need a better suspension set up.
:thumbsup: Couldn't agree more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tofu
hehe.. i think both DC2 and DC5 are great car, however i guess why there are so many reply is bcos different ppl got different expectations. Frankly i think the DC2 are still lookin very sporty and the perfomance is of cos needless to mention. japs call it the "fastest FWD"
however the DC5 may offer the little more interms of after purchase stuff, like a member said the insurance, warranty etc.
now plz allow me to add one opinion, our DC5 may not as good as the jap DC5, but can some body tell me how much is that "bit"? ok, i really have done some home work to compare the difference, is that we didnt get their breaks and a slighly less "powerful" engine. but i really dont know how much is the difference. (i think it was abt 12kw) a fren of mine is a lot already. and yes i believe him, but is that 12 kw gona change my decision abt buying the AUS DC5? it hasnt, but i always want some 1 who had driven the JAP DC5 and our DC5 then state the "difference"
therefore i would say it quietly but surely, our AUS DC5 is also a true sports car. for other members who wana know more abt "done up" the DC5 or DC2, mayb is a good idea to buy of those jap mag to see wot parts they use to increase the performance. for instance, if we can have what ever they put into their cars in the end, then i wouldnt b expect there r gona b much difference between them at all.
also, talking abt the "soft" conversion of Honda AUS did to our DC5, if any member here would like to find out more about this problem, apparently many japs car makers are doing the same to their AUS model too. just go to it's jap web site then compare it with our ones. I dont know is up to the car maker or our government or petrol supply.
finally for the member who started this thread, man they both are named" the fastest FWD" in jap and world known for it's performance. you gotta test it urself and listen to ur heart bro! good luck.
dc2r is the REAL type r IMO
AUDM DC5 is a more mature car than the DC2 and is filling the hole left by the prelude.
I drove an AUDM DC5R as well and like olda said the 6sp gearbox is great, but apart from that I like dc2r more. Engine power was linear and didn't feel as banzai @ VTEC. It's a better road car than dc2r for sure.
But if you want an uncompromised RAW driving experience, DC2r is your car.
well said :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by itr025
Talk about digging up the dead....
Personally I like the look of the dc5 more, tad more driver friendly. :thumbsup:
If i was gonna go to the track alot i would get a dc2r cause it wouldnt worry me so much thrashing the crap out of it plus its more raw as stated already:D
i use to dislike the dc5 r...but over time...it does look better than the dc2r...my opinion neways.
i have both in my driveway, dc2 and dc5, ive driven both, i preferably like the dc5 cuz it has flashing things that mesmorize me (just kiddin) naa i just like the drive of a dc5
well i used to be a big fan of dc2. But after seeing alot of dc5r's on the road i prefer them, as they look much beefier and yeh... i dunno..i just like it better. but i heard dc2 is a better car to drive. "heard"
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Originally Posted by R123
although the dc2 has more power what the dc5 has is the extra torque from a 2 litre engine
dc5s are farkn hot when they are lowered, look heaps fat and aggressive. But the dc2 is more fun to drive!
Mate I got a DC5 and I tell you what, if your not going to drive it on a race track dont bother getting it. For the street the DC2 in harsh in suspension and way to noisy! It sounds like your driving with your windows half down all the time. Also the Vtec sounds soooooooooooo much better and louder on the DC5. Trust me, Iv got a DC5 and the DC2 is about half a car length in front if that at all.
Also, the DC2s are always used and abused by owners because they think that they are way faster then the DC5. Seriously, Iv driven them both and on the road the DC5 totally out performs the DC2.
If your not gonna race on the track dont bother with the DC2. Newer is way better man.
Drive them both before you decide. Everyone says that the DC2z are better cars to drive but hardly anyone has every driven before.
Plus DC2 141 kW and DC5 147 kW.
Plus when you start modifying more power will come from the DC5 due to the 2.0 lt because DC2 is a 1.8 lt.
DC2 is SOOOOOOOOOOOOO out dated
ROFLMAO newb.Quote:
Originally Posted by gozza_rockz
:rolleyes:
Ask people who have owned both the DC5R and DC2R. Nearly every opinion I have read from people that have owned both is that DC2R>DC5R. IMO after driving both DC5R is a better (a lot better) road car, DC2R is the better driver's car. DC5R and DC2R same drivers similar mods blah blah blah DC5R is faster, and so it should be. But driving a DC5R doesn't give me that warm fuzzy feeling inside a DC2R does :D
if you want a good read on DC2R vs DC5R, read here:
http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=244027
Another dcr v dc5r post
Newer is always better - then go the type s babie!
Driven both dc2 and 5
Love:
dc5 - 6 speed, newer mango shape, 2 litre smootho engine, interior, space
dc2- rawness, gear box, stares, cornering, old shape but still sexy (MILF?)
You like small cars - dc2, big(ger) cars, dc5
You can't justify how good a car looks to everyone, its personal opinion (for eg. who likes angelina jolie? jk)
Loathes:
dc5: Too tall, steering is a bitch
dc2: noise, vibrations, noise and vibrations
Dude, both are very good cars, Angelina Jolie v Pamela Anderson, both very good lookin' but for different reasons....ehehe
Not all dc2 have been thrashed, believe me, generalisation without facts can't be taken that seriously
test drive em and pick one and join the R club
My 2c
Hong
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Originally Posted by R123
i could'nt agree anymore about the 12kw difference. But we have to face the facts that our petrol is only around 98' octane, compared to the 110' average in japan, so basically, if our fual was at that level, we'd haveno probs keeping up with the jap specs with a little engine tuning. anyways, i my self also have a DC5-R, the interior/exterior makes up with the diff in power from the dc2-R
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Originally Posted by Jim80y
Yeh I agree with you. The DC5 is like a dc2+benz. I have both a 03 DC5R and 01 DC2R both fully stock, The DC2R just pulls like a horse compared to the sluggish DC5R.
Although there was an upgrade to the 01 DC2R's intake cam, I've driven a stock 99 ITR and I have to say the 99-00 ITR isn't that much difference in acceleration to the DC5R.
It's a pity that our DC5Rs have been stripped from its true JDM form
-LSD
-Brembos
-11.5CR
-cams
-suspension
-tranny
i dont know why Honda AU is so stingy to bring in a cheaper DC5. Really pisses me off because I believe ALL type R owners wouldn't mind paying more for the real thing.
If you compare the JDM DC5R to the JDM DC2R, the JDM DC5R wins.
Overall when you sit in a DC2R it feels like a real 'Race Car'
Theres actually a huge difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by R123
Type Rs always have each and every part fitted and tuned to work together to create the correct combination. Theres a video of the Japan racers that analysed the DC2R when it came out and said that further reducing the weight of the car would affect the balance because each corner weight was fully balanced with the suspension settings etc and that it would require a rebalance with adjustable coilovers on a machine. Any little change would have to be retuned to work at optimal just like mods to our exhuast, engine etc.
So since our DC5Rs are missing stuff like;
-LSD
-Firmer and lower suspension
-Brembo Brakes w larger rotors
-11.5CR
-cams
-220bhp
-tranny
It becomes a totally different car. Our DC5R sussy is apparently the same as the Type S version in Japan. And Type S in Japan means a non-type R. Pisses me off each time I think about it.
dude, AUDM DC5R has the same tranny and LSD as JDM DC5R
Totally Agree with you dc2r, Myself i had a choice between a DC2R or a DC5R the only reason why i picked the dc2r is because it felt as if ur always driving with raw power, in my opinion the dc2r is when Integra's were at its prime and still is!Quote:
Originally Posted by dc2r
I know this is alil off topic but same goes for Mitsubishi Evolution, instead of getting evo 9/10 i would rather go for 6! 6 was when the evo was at its prime power and passion! Evo's onwards packed to much technology! MORE AID not enuff RAWNESS!
DC2R is the real type R. sounds like it, goes like it, feels like it
My dad wanted me to get a DC5R, and was willing to spend more money on one (I got a loan from him). Anyways... I test drove plenty of both of them.
Firstly, if you are a small person... the DC5R isn't for you. I can barely see over the steering wheel, and I look gay in one, and I slide in the seats. The head of Spoon said it's a secutaries car. Now I know why. Nah, really... i drove the DC5R, and it didn't excite me. I would say the FD Civic has a better chassis, and the Euro is a nicer more exciting drive when on the limits. The STOCK K20A didn't excite me at all. Modded is a different story, so I've heard.
The DC2R, is just a pure drivers car... and TBH, if you're buying a FWD firstly, make sure you get a taily one. the DC2R is awsome like that. The back slides around, and awwww, it feels great.
The B18C, is raw, exciting, and slightly higher red line means the world of difference. I love the interior more so than the DC5R. And also the lightness of the DC2 can be felt. I find the DC5 similar to a supra... a boat.
I've always grown up wanting a DC2R, so I could be biased. Who would want a watered down Type R anyways. If you buying an R, at least buy the real thing (Even though the AUDM DC2R isn't "real", it's closer to the real thing that the DC5R).
Just my 2C.
dc5r has k20 so much more potential compared to outdated b series that wat i think neways. saving for my dc5R =D
But what about a K20, in a DC2. LOLcano, it would be awsome!Quote:
Originally Posted by tct
I wouldn't, because I find the engine boring as bat shit.
has anyone driver a type R DC5, and a Type S DC5
what was the most notiable diff?
I have a dc2R and dc5R. Our DC5R is just a RSX-R with JDM type R cosmetics. Stock for stock DC2R is faster, but DC5R is more of a long term car, easy to live with and lots more potential with the K20 even though its not a REAL K20A.
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Originally Posted by jugbugz
LSD and Tranny is the same......Quote:
Originally Posted by jugbugz
Intake manifold
Stock extractor and exhaust is different......
AUDM 4-1 Rear muffler have nth special
JDM 4-2-1 Rear muffler have little valve can open up on high rev
I've driven both JDM and plenty of AUDM DC5R.....stock to stock they are a bit different.....not as much power.....but if you plan to modified it then they won't be that much different.....by the time you change ur I/H/E and some basic ECU tuning....they will be really break even......if you plan to change cams and any further internal work...then they will make no difference.....
Like most of the other say...they are both great cars....if you plan to spend big $$ and make ur dream project car....DC5R is ur choice.....K20A have a lot more potential to mod compare to B series.....even you do 2.2lt upgrade kit with proper ECU tuning...it will go max 250-280 HP...and K20 can go all the way up to 350 HP......or even more........my 2 cents...
i like dc2r looks more sexy..classic look..makes you look like takumi!
Been driving quite a few things...
And despite the lack of grunt and rwd adjustability - the DC2r (to me) is still one of the finer things on 4 wheels.
Bro, stop bringin this shit back to life!
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=105566