Honda Beat PP1 discussion thread

Hey guys,

Just thought I'd get the ball rolling on a Honda Beat discussion thread as unfortunately there wasn't really one on OzHonda.

Please feel free to contribute with any info, links, photos or questions regarding Honda's little pocket rocket. Due to the age of these models and the nature of the high-revving 656cc 3-cylinder engine, they do need some love by this point in their life. Parts can be quite difficult to get a hold of and unfortunately aren't exactly cheap by the time you import them from Japan etc so if anyone has some knowledge and experience in importing bits, looking up part numbers, or perhaps has some spare bits laying around feel free to add.

I'm very interested to know how many Beats there actually are in Australia so If you own one, or know of one, let us know as I'd love to get an approximate figure on the numbers.

I can think of at least 3 (and a 4th I saw a few years back) here in Adelaide, and certainly a few more interstate.

I'll update this thread shortly with some technical info, pics and links.

Here's mine...

It's a '95 Verion-Z which to my knowledge is pretty well the same with only real differences being the factory LSD, alloy wheels & spoiler as standard, and all-black cluster.

I picked this up towards the end of 2013 in complete factory condition.

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A parts order was made within days of picking it up. Some minor additions to the interior were a Nardi steering wheel, OEM DC2R gear knob and boot, Carbing roll bar (purely cosmetic as I don't think it would do jack in case of an actual rollover), Pioneer deck (factory player is pretty much shagged). I'll be looking at picking up a Recaro SPG as I currently already own one and I think the black and grey will suit the Beat's interior perfectly, although with the current suspension setup my back gets pretty sore as is, on cushiony factory seats. The zebra seats have actually kinda grown on me.

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The thing looked pretty crap on stock "phone dial" wheels, so a set of staggered TE37's was ordered from YJ as well as a some Trust PS-Compact coils. Made a world of difference with the look of the car and more importantly handling. Oh and the tyres were 1000x better than the crap that came on it. Sizes are 14x6" +38 & 15x6.5" +36 with 165's all round.

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Stock exhaust was rattling and falling apart so had a custom one made up. Sounds tops with little backfire pops on the downshift. Also, made a custom airbox with HKS filter to open up those ITB's a bit.

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My 2 projects.

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Recently picked up a set of Mugen NR10's as an alternative set... got a good deal on them so couldn't resist. I think they suit the car nicely. They are in pretty good knick but will look at doing a full resto on them to really get them sparkling. Also looking at picking up a set of CF48's.

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I quite like the factory body of the PP1 and don't want to fiddle with it too much due to the rarity of the thing so as far as bodywork goes will just keep it to a US Racing front lip and Backyard Special rear wing (duckbill). Currently looking at fitting up 242mm EG brakes up front as the stock ones are pretty poor. Will update you on how that goes.

If you're a Beat owner in Aus, please feel free to add some pics and info on yours.

Cheers,
Pav

How did you go fitting up the brakes?

looking for options for mine now.

I was planning to hit up wildwood to make me a kit for it.
cant imagine how am I going to stop the car with the K20 at the back lol.

I've been side tracked with my other EG project so haven't tried yet. Seems like the Wilwood kit designed for rear of EG/DC2 will be an easy bolt on with minor (if any) mods. Would be idea to run this F & R. Likely to need 15" wheels for clearance though as it uses a 280mm disk, I'm keen to stick to 14's.

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Lol story of my project sounds exactly like urs...

Civic / beat

SA HONDA BEAT + EG Reporting in.


Picked up Honda beat last year - had a timing issue and bits and pieces missing
Other than that it drove well .. even better after the timing was fixed.

Beat PP100 - 1991 Mid mount engine RWD

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Rims/tyres/suspension + front bushing changes as well as replacing missing trim.

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Seat covers + some interior CF bits n pieces for final touches.
Waiting on new muffler to be installed.

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Awesome car to drive through the hills especially on a nice day
Great engine sound @ high revs (red line 9-10k)
Power is not there with the stock engine but car is light weight and handles well



Have a Daily EG b18c. Need to change suspension before hitting the track.
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Im in Sydney and own 3 Beats although one was involved in a hit and run and written off. See my web site www.hondabeat.com.au I can post more information if you are interested, I have information about brakes, suspension etc. Have a look here http://hondabeat.com.au/Parts/ it is a work in progress so any feedback would be good.

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Im in Sydney and own 3 Beats although one was involved in a hit and run and written off. See my web site www.hondabeat.com.au I can post more information if you are interested, I have information about brakes, suspension etc. Have a look here http://hondabeat.com.au/Parts/ it is a work in progress so any feedback would be good.

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Hey mate, I've actually used ur site a couple of times to track down some part numbers.

I decided to undergo a minor engine rebuild. Leaks and smoke were giving me the sh#ts. Waiting on a couple of parts but should all hopefully be done mid Jan... Still a bit of summer driving left in it hopefully.

Never got around to trying the EG brakes yet. I picked up a pretty cheap set of aftermarket pads for it so will see if there's an improvement on the stock (or at least I think they're stock) pads which are pretty average. See how I go but will def give the EG brakes a go, more for heat dispersion rather than actual stopping power. Can't imagine those little solid disks can take a solid hills outing too well.

Bubbz, I saw ur Beat a couple of weeks ago. I like the kit :) was actually the same one I was planning to get before I decided to stick with a more stocky look. Car looks great too! Champ white?

s2k frost white.

Should catch up sometime would like to know how you go with your engine rebuild.
I have a bit of a leak I need to get fixed soon as well hopefully just a gasket that needs replacing.

Wouldnt mind picking your brain re EG build s well lol.. mine is offroad atm due to a front end prang (have to replace radiator support).
So looking to updgrade suspension and fine tune engine while im at it and swap over to S80 LSD 4.7 gear box.

WHERE CAN I BUY A YELLOW HONDA BEAT!! I am going crazy online in Aus looking for one and I can't find anything anywhere!!
If anyone knows of one for sale or of any Honda beats for sale please let me know!!
P.S only from a seller who is reasonable and doesn't over exaggerate the price!

I love those mugen wheels.

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WHERE CAN I BUY A YELLOW HONDA BEAT!! I am going crazy online in Aus looking for one and I can't find anything anywhere!!
If anyone knows of one for sale or of any Honda beats for sale please let me know!!
P.S only from a seller who is reasonable and doesn't over exaggerate the price!

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There's a couple floating around... Was an absolute minter in yellow for sale a few years back when I got mine. Guy was asking around 6K but this thing was immaculate and really low mileage. Your best bet is to snap up whatever comes up and respray. Lucky to get 1 or 2 Beats for sale in Aus a year (from what I have seen).

Progress on mine has been very slow... Parts from Japan, especially over Xmas and NY take a LONG bloody time! Waiting on a couple more seals and engine bits and she'll be going in for her refresh. Also ordered up a lip and BYS ducktail wing so will hopefully have that fitted up before the good weather ends...

Bubbz you taking your Beat to All Japan Day?

Found out a bit more interesting info on brake upgrades for the Beat via a fellow Australian Beat owner.

GD Jazz (1st gen) calipers and disks are a direct bolt on to Beat hubs. Only issue is a slight mis-alignment meaning that the inner pad will make contact with the disk. This is the same issue with the more common Integra Type-R/Prelude brake upgrade on EG/EK/DC2 where the disk must be spaced 3mm away from the hub, or have the caliper bracket shaved/machined. I've been doing a bit more research on it and although I can't find anything that's 100% certain, the 2 Jazz model brakes are supposedly interchangeable hence if you wanted to you could even run the 262mm disks and larger calipers which are found on the GE Jazz (2nd gen). Wheel and perhaps even suspension clearance could become an issue, but it's certainly an option.

At this stage I have already bought new OEM pads for mine and with a heap of expenses coming up this mod will have to wait but will certainly experiment with it in the future. Personally I think upgrading to 240mm disks will be a sufficient performance upgarde from the OEM 213mm rotors, without adding too much unsprung weight. Running 14" wheels may also become an issue with the 262's.

Nice pickup with the NR10s, 14s are usually ok to run with 262s. So did you find that the rotor should be spaced 3mm like the 282 swap on Civics/Integras etc or it just needs to be spaced by a certain amount?

Yeah I think the 262's might fit but tbh I think that's overkill for me as I'm only running 165 wide tyres up front that might even struggle to grip up with the 240mm rotors and a good set of pads. I also want to be able to fit the OEM 13" wheels if need be.
Unforunately haven't measured up the setup yet... Will hopefully give it a go this week and see what I need to do about the brake lines as the banjo fittings are a different size. Hopefully the EG lines will go straight in otherwise might have to make up some custom ones.

Got around to mounting the GD calipers last night and it turned out to be even easier than expected. Literally direct bolt on. Only things required are Jazz calipers, pads, disks and the removal of the original heat shield behind the factory Beat disks. Piece of cake. Have bled the system and took her out for a spin... absolutely over the moon with the upgrade. IMO excatly what the brakes should have been like from factory. On OE replacement Brembo pads it pulls up so bloody nicely without biting too hard. Perfect modulation. The extra meat on the disks is definitely a piece of mind when driving through the hills where they will reach higher temps.

Only issue is that now the stock 13" front wheels do not fit without +5mm spacer. I think if you really wanted to make it fit you could get the file/grinder out and shave down the caliper a touch but i'm not too fussed by this. If I do sell the Beat on can always give the option of putting the OE brakes back on as it's literally a half hour job (plus brake bleed).

240mm setup... unfortunately havent got a pre-upgrade photo to compare to. Still looks pretty tiny but has really made a world of difference when braking. As mentioned earlier no longer fits the OEM 13" wheels without a small spacer which is the only down side

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Have now parted with the NR10's but before I did I gave the car a quick clean and took her out for the first time in close to a year! I really love these wheels but I'm starting to run out room in the shed so unfortunately they had to go. Here's a couple of quick snaps I took.

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Out with the old... In with the new

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It has taken much longer than I had hoped but have had to wait for over 6 months for a couple of parts that really should have taken a couple of weeks to get here, but finally next week she's going in to have the engine and box freshened up, and then off to the crash shop for a bit of love. Fingers crossed by the time the weather over here in SA improves the Beast will be all done and ready to rumble!

Looking good mate. Nice new set as well looking forward to seeing them on car.
Def need to check out this new setup of yours to compare the braking and engine. Mine needs a freshening up but will have to wait until EG gets back on road after LSD gear box and headers upgrade.

Sweet car,didn't know they existed. .

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I just imported a Beat to The USA, and I need a new front caliper (mine has seized up from the long boat ride from Japan). Reading your post about upgrading to Jazz front brakes, I have a few questions. The Jazz is the same as the Honda Fit here in the States, so it should be a better and easier upgrade for me.
What if any issues did you have, I saw you said I needed to use all Jazz components (Caliper, pads and Rotors) and removing the Heat shield. Any other issues? I'm running 14" wheels all around.
Love your Beat, awesome!
Thank you!
Mark

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Im in Sydney and own 3 Beats although one was involved in a hit and run and written off. See my web site www.hondabeat.com.au I can post more information if you are interested, I have information about brakes, suspension etc. Have a look here http://hondabeat.com.au/Parts/ it is a work in progress so any feedback would be good.

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Hi

Today a semi changed lanes, spun me at 100kmh so Im looking for another Beat, Needs to be straight a able to get rego, I have most parts to repair one.

Thanks

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I just imported a Beat to The USA, and I need a new front caliper (mine has seized up from the long boat ride from Japan). Reading your post about upgrading to Jazz front brakes, I have a few questions. The Jazz is the same as the Honda Fit here in the States, so it should be a better and easier upgrade for me.
What if any issues did you have, I saw you said I needed to use all Jazz components (Caliper, pads and Rotors) and removing the Heat shield. Any other issues? I'm running 14" wheels all around.
Love your Beat, awesome!
Thank you!
Mark

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As per the PM i sent you, it's literally as described in the post above. Unbolt the old calipers and rotors, mount the new, bleed and she's ready to go! Just make sure you've got the GD model (1st gen) Jazz/Fit calipers and rotors which are 240mm in diameter... hopefully the US models are the same as what we get here. Post up some pics of yours when you get a chance :)

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Hi

Today a semi changed lanes, spun me at 100kmh so Im looking for another Beat, Needs to be straight a able to get rego, I have most parts to repair one.

Thanks

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That's terrible news mate! I'm always very cautious when driving in a blind spot of cars as the Beats are so tiny and easilly missed in the rearview. Did you end up crashing into a barrier or anything? Hope you got out of it without any injuries! Is the chassis/body repairable? Anywhoo best of luck finding a replacement.

A little update on mine... it's been at the workshop for over a month now :( the engine overall is in pretty good knick... as you'd expect at only 80,XXX odd k's. However the valves were pretty worn down and the shop doing the head work recommended I order up some new valves as the current valves have reached the minimum tolerance and cannot be machined. It's now been a month since I've ordered the valves through Honda AU and they still haven't arrived! Luckily the weather in SA is still pretty shithouse so not losing out on much driving really. The head itself has got the works! Ultra Sonic bathed, CNC'd seats and throats and full port & polish. Will try and get some photos before it goes in as this thing looks brand spankin new! Hopefully can squeeze another half a HP out of it haha

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As per the PM i sent you, it's literally as described in the post above. Unbolt the old calipers and rotors, mount the new, bleed and she's ready to go! Just make sure you've got the GD model (1st gen) Jazz/Fit calipers and rotors which are 240mm in diameter... hopefully the US models are the same as what we get here. Post up some pics of yours when you get a chance :)



That's terrible news mate! I'm always very cautious when driving in a blind spot of cars as the Beats are so tiny and easilly missed in the rearview. Did you end up crashing into a barrier or anything? Hope you got out of it without any injuries! Is the chassis/body repairable? Anywhoo best of luck finding a replacement.

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He overtook me, when his front was level with my front changed lane into me, I swerved and spun, the rear trailer wheels hit my front spun me into the armco. On the M5 at 7am and didn't hit another car.

Tegzieboi_BAR,

I tried the Fit/Jazz front brake upgrade this weekend, didn't work at all. The Rotor was way to thick, it wouldn't fit without pushing the rotor out a bit (I see it's 3mm). And the caliper I got wouldn't fit over the hub, if I trimmed the middle a bit it would work. How did you get the rotor out far enough? I took the original rotor and took off the outer part to see if that would be the spacer I needed, that didn't work either.
Ugh! I guess I'm going to go with the original brakes.
Can you take a picture of your set up, it might help me a bit.
Thanks!

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As per the PM i sent you, it's literally as described in the post above. Unbolt the old calipers and rotors, mount the new, bleed and she's ready to go! Just make sure you've got the GD model (1st gen) Jazz/Fit calipers and rotors which are 240mm in diameter... hopefully the US models are the same as what we get here. Post up some pics of yours when you get a chance :)



That's terrible news mate! I'm always very cautious when driving in a blind spot of cars as the Beats are so tiny and easilly missed in the rearview. Did you end up crashing into a barrier or anything? Hope you got out of it without any injuries! Is the chassis/body repairable? Anywhoo best of luck finding a replacement.

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Hmmm I suspect the USDM GD is different to AUDM/JDM as mine was literally as simple as re-installing OEM part. No modification required other than removal of heatshield. I've sent you an email.

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Hmmm I suspect the USDM GD is different to AUDM/JDM as mine was literally as simple as re-installing OEM part. No modification required other than removal of heatshield. I've sent you an email.

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I am in the middle of a full brake upgrade. I am biasing my braking a little to the rear as my rear tyres are 195/45/15 and my front 165/55/14

Rear

I have fitted this to the rear of my daily drive and all good.

S2000 calipers 13CLP15S
Civic FD 2006 caliper mounts.
DBA2502 rotors 260mm diameter, 48mm high, 61mm centre hole, 4x100pcd, solid.
Im waiting more aggressive rear pad EBC yellow stuff.
The hand brake cable has the wrong end. I used a 5mm bolt to replace the pin, it works well so now I will machine a couple of SS pin up.

All this bolts up without any modification. Hydraulic lines bolt up no problems.


Front
On the bench I have mounted 2004 GD Jazz rotor & caliper which bolt up to the Beat hub without modification. (only the edge of the dust shield needs flattening)
DBA2504 rotor 240mm diameter, 39mm high, 61mm centre hole,4x100pcd, vented
Caliper 15CL13VN


Im looking for a set of JDM Honda Fit front brakes (231mm rotor) but will try the Jazz 240mm soon

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I am in the middle of a full brake upgrade. I am biasing my braking a little to the rear as my rear tyres are 195/45/15 and my front 165/55/14

Rear

I have fitted this to the rear of my daily drive and all good.

S2000 calipers 13CLP15S
Civic FD 2006 caliper mounts.
DBA2502 rotors 260mm diameter, 48mm high, 61mm centre hole, 4x100pcd, solid.
Im waiting more aggressive rear pad EBC yellow stuff.
The hand brake cable has the wrong end. I used a 5mm bolt to replace the pin, it works well so now I will machine a couple of SS pin up.

All this bolts up without any modification. Hydraulic lines bolt up no problems.


Front
On the bench I have mounted 2004 GD Jazz rotor & caliper which bolt up to the Beat hub without modification. (only the edge of the dust shield needs flattening)
DBA2504 rotor 240mm diameter, 39mm high, 61mm centre hole,4x100pcd, vented
Caliper 15CL13VN


Im looking for a set of JDM Honda Fit front brakes (231mm rotor) but will try the Jazz 240mm soon

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Do you have any pictures of the rear brakes?

Just a few other question
S2000 rear calipers?
Civic fd1 rear caliper mount?

Cheers

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Do you have any pictures of the rear brakes?

Just a few other question
S2000 rear calipers?
Civic fd1 rear caliper mount?

Cheers

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See the photos here as well

http://hondabeat.com.au/Brakes/


I installed the yellow stuff rear pads and Jazz 240mm front brakes the other day, all working well.


The mounts are from the rear of a 2006 FD civic, others may be the same but I haven't found any. The bolt spacing is 98mm to the car, 110mm to the caliper and 57mm between these.

The calipers are from an S2000, I believe all year models have the same caliper 13CLP15S. Everything bolts up no modification, the only difference is the hand brake cable end is different so replace the 6mm pin with a 5mm stainless steel one.

The pads I used are EBC YellowStuff DP41193R

The rotors are DBA2502 260mm diameter, 48mm high, 61mm centre hole, 4x100pcd, solid.