Power Loss

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18-02-2007, 08:15 PM
markasia

Power Loss

Hey guys...when i purchased my euro a few months ago, the first mod i did to it was buying 20inch chrome. recently ive purchased some minor engine mods for the car, but was wondering how much of a power loss is it having heavy chrome rims. i was thinking of getting rid of the 20inch and go back to either 19 inch or 18 inch racing rims. but do you guys reckon i should keep the 20s on as its not much of a power loss?

Much help and opinion is much appreciated guys, thankyou!!
18-02-2007, 08:31 PM
0098

keep the 20s if your not planning on racing
18-02-2007, 08:38 PM
Euro76

Bigger wheels and tyres will mean heavier and causes slower acceleration. My guess 18 inch the max if you dont want to suffer loss of power.
18-02-2007, 08:43 PM
markasia

Quote:

Originally Posted by 0098

keep the 20s if your not planning on racing

Yeah It Will Be A Waste Of Money Of Getting Rid Of The 20s, Probabli sell it. But If Its Better To Go For Smaller Size Rims As 20inch are too heavy in performance wise.
18-02-2007, 08:43 PM
Riviera

20's Starr and Flash ride but lil slower

18's still a flash ride more range less to maintain lol softer ride
18-02-2007, 08:44 PM
markasia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Euro76

Bigger wheels and tyres will mean heavier and causes slower acceleration. My guess 18 inch the max if you dont want to suffer loss of power.

True True!! I Might Go Back to 18s Then.
18-02-2007, 08:52 PM
EuroAccord13

You want huge rims but still want power?

My only suggestion is to get lightweight rims like Volk or WedSports etc... But be prepared to shell out lotsa $$$ for it....
18-02-2007, 08:55 PM
markasia

Quote:

Originally Posted by EuroAccord13

You want huge rims but still want power?

My only suggestion is to get lightweight rims like Volk or WedSports etc... But be prepared to shell out lotsa $$$ for it....

Well When I First Bought The Euro, I Just Wanted A Everydae Nice Car, THats WHy I Got THe 20inch Rims For The Car To Stand Out, But Now I Want It To Stand Out With Performance As well.
18-02-2007, 09:36 PM
aaronng

With 20", it's a big difference. My 16" stock car is faster than a 20" with I/H/E.
18-02-2007, 09:37 PM
yfin

Weigh one of your 20" rims with tyres and report back. We can give you an idea as to how much extra weight above the springs that equates to.
18-02-2007, 09:58 PM
markasia

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaronng

With 20", it's a big difference. My 16" stock car is faster than a 20" with I/H/E.

Yeah I Felt A Difference When I Put The 20" on, Just If Im Going To Put In I/H/E...is it best to get rid of the 20" ??
18-02-2007, 10:00 PM
markasia

Quote:

Originally Posted by yfin

Weigh one of your 20" rims with tyres and report back. We can give you an idea as to how much extra weight above the springs that equates to.

Yeah I See If I Can Weigh One, Or Even If I Search The Weight Of It on The Net. But From What I hear From You Guys, I Think Ill Go Get Some 18"!! lol!!
18-02-2007, 10:20 PM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by markasia

Yeah I Felt A Difference When I Put The 20" on, Just If Im Going To Put In I/H/E...is it best to get rid of the 20" ??

If you want performance. But I think you should post a pic of your rims+tyres if you can't weigh them. Maybe we can use our weighing scale-vision. :)
18-02-2007, 11:07 PM
markasia

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaronng

If you want performance. But I think you should post a pic of your rims+tyres if you can't weigh them. Maybe we can use our weighing scale-vision. :)

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...4122006092.jpg

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18-02-2007, 11:20 PM
aaronng

LOL, that's dark. We don't need pics of your whole car. Just the first pic is ok. And that looks HEAVY. Probably heavier than your normal 20" chromies.
18-02-2007, 11:27 PM
Mr_will

can anyone answer the original question of what the actual loss in performance would be like? obviously the car will be slower, but by how much?
18-02-2007, 11:32 PM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_will

can anyone answer the original question of what the actual loss in performance would be like? obviously the car will be slower, but by how much?

A 1kg increase in rotational weight is about the equivalent to loading up your car with 7-10kg's worth of weight. That's the estimate...

So if each rim is 5kg heavier than stock, and the tyres are an extra, say 3kg, then that's 32kg all around. In terms of sprung weight, it's the equivalent of increasing your car's weight by 224kg. It's significant.
18-02-2007, 11:39 PM
markasia

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaronng

LOL, that's dark. We don't need pics of your whole car. Just the first pic is ok. And that looks HEAVY. Probably heavier than your normal 20" chromies.

I just thought it would be a good idea to post alot of pictures, just to show u guys wat my euro looks like!! coz i am a new member here =p
18-02-2007, 11:43 PM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by markasia

I just thought it would be a good idea to post alot of pictures, just to show u guys wat my euro looks like!! coz i am a new member here =p

Do that in the introduction section please. In this model section, we try to help you with your problems instead. :)

What's your tyre size btw?
18-02-2007, 11:46 PM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by claymore

It's not just the weight that makes for a substantial power loss. With 20's the rolling circumference is much larger effectively lowering your final drive gear ratio and that makes a big difference in seat of the pants feel driving the car, and a real measurable difference in real world performance.

Nah, over here we have/try to keep the rolling circumference to within a certain % of stock. Otherwise, it's a defect. The usual tyre size for 20" rims on the Euro is 235-245/30 R20.
18-02-2007, 11:48 PM
markasia

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaronng

Do that in the introduction section please. In this model section, we try to help you with your problems instead. :)

What's your tyre size btw?

I changed it to 225
18-02-2007, 11:57 PM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by markasia

I changed it to 225

What's the full tyre size? Is it 225/30 R20?
19-02-2007, 12:01 AM
markasia

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaronng

What's the full tyre size? Is it 225/30 R20?

Yes It is....very low profile.
19-02-2007, 12:08 AM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by markasia

Yes It is....very low profile.

Then the rolling circumference is only slightly larger than stock. Your power loss is coming from the heavier rims and tyres, as well as the heavier concentration of weight further out from the centre, making it have a larger inertia.
19-02-2007, 01:26 AM
markasia

Thankyou Soo Much For Your Help & Everyone Else. I Will Be Definately Getting Rid Of The 20" Chromies. Its alwaiz been on my mind, but with the info and help you guys given me, its a definate that i will.
19-02-2007, 01:27 AM
markasia

Wat size would be the best prefered option?
19-02-2007, 05:18 AM
EuroAccord13

Quote:

Originally Posted by markasia

Wat size would be the best prefered option?

I would say lightweight 17s as ideal but I wouldn't go more than 18 :)
19-02-2007, 06:38 AM
tony1234

Quote:

Originally Posted by markasia

Yes It is....very low profile.

With our roads in Sydney those tyres wouldn't last me a month without being damaged due to potholes.I'd lower it and just put aftermarket 17s on it.Little dif in performance/handling between 17s & 18s but big dif in price of tyres.just my opinion.:)
19-02-2007, 07:24 PM
markasia

What Is The Correct Size And Offset Of The Euro Anyway??
19-02-2007, 08:14 PM
EuroAccord13

Quote:

Originally Posted by markasia

What Is The Correct Size And Offset Of The Euro Anyway??

Euros run +55 Offset at 5 x 114.3 stud pattern, you can push +45 offset but no more than that, the wheels won't be flushed with the guards..

They run on 205/55 R16 tyres....
19-02-2007, 09:26 PM
markasia

Quote:

Originally Posted by EuroAccord13

Euros run +55 Offset at 5 x 114.3 stud pattern, you can push +45 offset but no more than that, the wheels won't be flushed with the guards..

They run on 205/55 R16 tyres....

Thankyou.
19-02-2007, 10:17 PM
aday

Quote:

Originally Posted by EuroAccord13

They run on 205/55 R16 tyres....

Or, in 17" (Luxury/Sport models), 225/45 R17 tyres.
19-02-2007, 11:37 PM
markasia

18x8.5 +43 and 18x9.5 +43

How Are These Sizes For A Euro??
20-02-2007, 10:45 AM
tron07

Go for the lightest 17" on the market... good performance and looks okay too...
20-02-2007, 11:04 AM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by markasia

18x8.5 +43 and 18x9.5 +43

How Are These Sizes For A Euro??

18x9.5 +43 will hit the fender if you use 225 tyres.
20-02-2007, 11:25 AM
ZEi20T

here is a handy site (from the US) but has measurements in metric too

http://www.rims-n-tires.com/rt_specs.jsp

its good to judge and estimate what will do what to the car
20-02-2007, 11:16 PM
markasia

Doesnt Seem Like The Link Is Working!! lol!!
22-02-2007, 01:28 AM
markasia

Hey All!! Started Advertising My Rims Yesterday, And Had A Few Friends And Workhop Advertising Too!!! Theres A Guy with a 98 Accord Interested, hopefulli correct offset, coz if i sell it!! Then 18" Will Come Soon!!
22-02-2007, 04:43 AM
EuroAccord13

I Do This Sometimes If You Realise It! It's A Habit! OCD Behaviour!

ANYWAY! KEEP ON TOPIC!!! NO MORE ON THE TYPING...

*Knocks AaronNg On The Head*

Don't think just because it's the middle of the night, no moddies will be here... I'm the LATE SHIFT Boys!
24-02-2007, 11:03 PM
blk05gli

when i was shopping for rims for my Ek, a bridgestone senior tech told me:
the best compromise between looks and performance is 16" for FF cars

just my 2 cents :)

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