8th Gen Issues - Shame on you Honda

Has anyone had issues with their civic? My civic is only 5 months old with 4000kms and I already have a list of issues. Im very surprised and disappointed that a honda this new is having issues. It seems like quality on these cars arent crash hot. I would also expect after a year of the car being released, that they would have improved their production methods.

The issues that I have are

- Drivers window gets stuck - FIXED by honda
- Rattling noise on the left hand side front. Somewhere in the door or dash. Started out with a little noise and I thought it was just some crap we had in the glove box. Now I hear it everytime I go over a bump.
- Cannot open boot with key. It just won't turn.
- the trim around the gear leaver has lifted. This is a manual. It is the right bottom corner closest to the driver. Very crap fitting. This has only appeared recently.

My wife drives this car so it is never thrashed and it sits in the garage. Im very disappointed honda!!

I've owned 3 other hondas and this has got to be the worst.

I'll be taking it to Honda next week to get it fixed and to let them know what I think about their latest product!!

Sorry to hear. I too had issues with the driver window not working property. That was it. Its just unlucky. Im pretty sure if you bought any car, theres a chance that something will be wrong. I reckon even if you bought a bentley gt cont. theres a chance something is not right. As long as they fix it promptly and dont f**k u around, im happy

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Originally Posted by tan18d

The issues that I have are

- Drivers window gets stuck - FIXED by honda
Honda's fault
- Rattling noise on the left hand side front. Somewhere in the door or dash. Started out with a little noise and I thought it was just some crap we had in the glove box. Now I hear it everytime I go over a bump.
Probably loose wiring behind the glovebox, also Honda's fault for not using enough tape
- Cannot open boot with key. It just won't turn.
Get it fixed under warranty. Things like this just fail sometimes.
- the trim around the gear leaver has lifted. This is a manual. It is the right bottom corner closest to the driver. Very crap fitting. This has only appeared recently.
Is it the entire plastic piece or just the decorative edging? Get it fixed under warranty. If it is the entire trim corner, just push the clip back down.

My wife drives this car so it is never thrashed and it sits in the garage. Im very disappointed honda!!

I've owned 3 other hondas and this has got to be the worst.

I'll be taking it to Honda next week to get it fixed and to let them know what I think about their latest product!!

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Build quality is lacking. The 8th gen are built in thailand. =9

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Originally Posted by kn1ghtm4r3

Build quality is lacking. The 8th gen are built in thailand. =9

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are they? I was always under the impression that it wasn't. oh well....

but I would think that just because it's made in Thailand doesn't mean that the build quality suffers as a result. unless that's just me being too optimistic.

Well i have seen some reviews of other cars built in thai and the reviewer says the build quality is somewhat lacking. ahahah cut costs make profit =9
but i dunno maybe some ppl may disagree.

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...rticleID=11247

only the hybrids i believe are built in jap and then imported here.

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Is it the entire plastic piece or just the decorative edging? Get it fixed under warranty. If it is the entire trim corner, just push the clip back down.

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The trim corner is a seperate piece and when I push it down, it just pops back up. Looks like it must have lost its shape somehow. Definitely something you wouldnt expect in a new car.

One thing Im hesitant about when taking things back to dealers is that they may try to fix something but ultimately bodge it up even worse and then hide it.

hmmm, looks like you have atypical 8th gen civic problems. I have a 2007 build sports auto and so far (touch wood) is faultless from a build quality perspective.
Though your car is new in owneship, was it perhaps a '06 build?...just curious.

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Originally Posted by tan18d

One thing Im hesitant about when taking things back to dealers is that they may try to fix something but ultimately bodge it up even worse and then hide it.

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If you have warranty and you don't want to make use of it, then what else can we advise you to do?

I've tried to use my warranty before.. to claim on the rattling noise inside both front doors if I turn on the music with some quite bass, very noticeable.. they still insist due to the limitation of the standard speakers, which it is obvious to be some sort of metal noise. Tried 2 times to claim with no result.

Solution: Open your door panel, try to play around with electrical tape to cover area that 'loose'. Add up with a descent sound deadening.. and you should be alright.. but I still get rattling noise tho.. since my door panel can't sealed properly now.. speaker hit the panels.. LOL...

Actually, the warranty doesn't cover rattles. It's stated in your service booklet. Any repair for rattles is done by your dealer's goodwill and they are not reimbursed by Honda (unless it is one that has a service bulletin).

Go get your trim and boot fixed under warranty.

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Originally Posted by aaronng

Actually, the warranty doesn't cover rattles. It's stated in your service booklet. Any repair for rattles is done by your dealer's goodwill and they are not reimbursed by Honda (unless it is one that has a service bulletin).

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funny that; my passenger front airbag, passenger front seat and engine are rattling. while neither service centre that i've had look at it (hornsby and artarmon) has charged me for looking at them, it is true that they seemed totally disinterested with the usual "can't hear it" or "it's a characteristic sound" excuse... and your post helps to clarify why i keep getting that.

nonetheless: tan18d, you only have 4 faults with your civic. my 12 month old civic has 26 faults (twenty-six) and quite frankly i'm fed up with the build quality and after the next service am going to consider taking legal action unless all the problems are fixed.

If only we were to get the "Made in Japan" models, I'm sure the build quality of japanese made are seamless and worry free.

I saw and sat in the jap build ones in NZ and I have to tell you for some reason (maybe I'm just being stupid) but the 8th Gen civics over there look so much better and the build quality is effortless compared to the ones here.
They even have HID headlights as factory!

They say that any Honda manufacturing plant must meet strict quality standards but still I think the Japanese made ones have a more strict quality standard than the other plants. Even my japanese friend says that the Japanese take pride and effort in building cars and all their products, it's just how they are.

Made in Thailand?...a bit unfortunate.

i got my civic sport in 2006 when it first came out.i must say the finishing is very bad... my left side plastic panel on the dash. it is the small panel on the inside of the left hand mirror. you can see ducts on top where i believe air comes out.

it has popped out in hot weather !!

i pop it back in and it keeps popping out in hot weather. took it back to the dealer and they replaced the clips but it popped out again. its cooler now and i have pushed it back in. going to take it to the dealer when i do my 10k service.

the trimming around the linings have come out.... oh well ...i dont drive a lot. i stay in the city and work in the city and I am just about to hit 10k after almost a year. this was very unexpected about honda's quality.

:( i bought the honda because of recommendations from family members. we have been honda buyers for many years. but i think not anymore after this. i was considering the mazda 3 which was made in japan !!! aiyayaya... anyways.......

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Originally Posted by kikks9

the trimming around the linings have come out....

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which trimmings/linings are you talking about?

The Civic is built to a price - there is no doubt about it. But the value is amazing. The 1990 Civic I have as a spare car cost my family $28,000 when it was new on the road. Translate that into 2007 money terms and it is like spending $50,000 on a base model Civic.

The cost of new cars in relative terms to what it was even 10 years ago is unbelievable.

Build quality may not be as good as my 1990 Civic - but you are getting a lot of car for the money. $22k for a base model manual Civic is an absolute bargain - even if you do have to put up with some minor finish issues and rattles. As long as you don't have any major drivetrain or engine problems you should be happy.

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Originally Posted by chylld

after the next service am going to consider taking legal action unless all the problems are fixed.

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Having some experience in this area - I suggest you seriously think about selling the car and getting something else or put up with the dealer efforts to rectify. The time and effort involved in solving these issues through legal avenues is not worth the effort. And lawyers cost money - a cost you are unlikely to recover.

look at the grey plastic trim around your doors. the grey plastic cloth trim around the roof section is supposed to be under the darker grey plastic lining. mine does not go under properly and sometimes pop out. it is quite miniscule and does not irritate me as much as the popping panel on my dash but hey .... i paid quite a lot of money for the car ahahah.... i hate the popping dash panel.

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Originally Posted by chylld

which trimmings/linings are you talking about?

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sigh...anybody knows where the cars made in the thailand factory get sent to besides australia??

Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Thailand.

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Originally Posted by yfin

Having some experience in this area - I suggest you seriously think about selling the car and getting something else or put up with the dealer efforts to rectify. The time and effort involved in solving these issues through legal avenues is not worth the effort. And lawyers cost money - a cost you are unlikely to recover.

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Good point. Im actually a bit concerned mainly because this is only a 5 mth old car. What happens after 1 year, 3 years, and then after no warranty....

Any issues that occur on a new car spoils the whole point of buying a brand new car. Typically people buy brand new cars to save the hassle of fixing crappy issues that occur in older used cars. This obviously saves alot of time and also money. Hence I bought a new car to save time and money. If I have to continually take the car back for silly repairs that you just expect to work in a new car then it has made my purchasing a brand new car cast ineffective.

I guess I opened this thread to see if anyone else was having issues and also to make others aware of the issues that arise from this new civic. I know complaining to Honda has minimal effect but talking to fellow honda owners surely works. Word of mouth is alot more effective than advertising......

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Originally Posted by chylld

funny that; my passenger front airbag, passenger front seat and engine are rattling. while neither service centre that i've had look at it (hornsby and artarmon) has charged me for looking at them, it is true that they seemed totally disinterested with the usual "can't hear it" or "it's a characteristic sound" excuse... and your post helps to clarify why i keep getting that.

nonetheless: tan18d, you only have 4 faults with your civic. my 12 month old civic has 26 faults (twenty-six) and quite frankly i'm fed up with the build quality and after the next service am going to consider taking legal action unless all the problems are fixed.

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Mate! I feel for you. This is the first time I have bought a new car so maybe Im feeling a bit tight in regards to quality but you definetely have big issues with 26 faults. I might just stick to subaru again... Ive owned 2 subies and they were perfect. My last 3 hondas were great too. My 2 nissans were ok. Toyotas, I need not say anything.

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Originally Posted by tan18d

Mate! I feel for you. This is the first time I have bought a new car so maybe Im feeling a bit tight in regards to quality but you definetely have big issues with 26 faults. I might just stick to subaru again... Ive owned 2 subies and they were perfect. My last 3 hondas were great too. My 2 nissans were ok. Toyotas, I need not say anything.

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27 now.

yeah subies are great, the gf has one (gx) and every chance i get i drive it instead of the civic.

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Originally Posted by kn1ghtm4r3

Build quality is lacking. The 8th gen are built in thailand. =9

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that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

just cuz its made in thailand does not mean jack shit.

there are less problems with thailand sourced hondas than australian sourced fords and holdens.

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Originally Posted by yourfather

that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

just cuz its made in thailand does not mean jack shit.

there are less problems with thailand sourced hondas than australian sourced fords and holdens.

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Too right, its sourced to Thailand but doesn't mean they don't have to pass all of the tests and expectations that they would have in place if they were built in Japan. They are experiencing more faults because its a newly designed car, they tried out many daring designs on this 8th gen most noticably the size of the car, whereas Toyotas just keep their existing base and add shit to it, typical of Toyota when it comes to design. Have you seen their new corolla? its basically their current one mixed in with the yaris in a blender.

i also think it's wrong to blame thailand in such a general manner; after all, there are other cars that come from thailand that are perfectly fine (other Hondas iirc?)

however with my car personally i have reason to suspect that the people at the assembly plant weren't exactly concentrating 100%... the door trim panels were stuck on with the plastic wrapping still on the clips (and visibly protruding out the side of the door.) also i had packaging string loosely attached to the undersides of both my front seats (the thin pink type) and the rubber grommet/stopper thing for the centre console box lid was missing and the same for the glovebox was loose and almost falling out...

possibly my car went through during their lunch break though

I guess you were one of the unlucky one's. The only real noticable problem that has been consistent with the 8thgen's is the driver/passenger windows getting stuck. My sis'ters 06 VTi had that issue and no other issues have arose. Other than that its a nice car at a decent price compared to it's competitors.

I mean half the people who bought their 8th gen civics would not have bought them say if they were built in japan BUT...

A) You wouldn't be paying 20,990 retail.
B) Cruise-control, v-tec, etc would be OPTIONAL not standard (like previous models).

Lets face the fact that Honda didn't entirely keep all the savings they made from sourcing to Thailand, they passed it onto you, the consumer. A typical civic would not come in vtec standard so you save like 3k there (thats based from the 7th gen difference in GLi and Vi models)

People bought this Thailand built car mainly for value for money.

So for all you people out there who are lashing out at Honda for having 'Made In Thailand' cars, stop your bitching. It was your own fault for not making sure it wasn't built in Japan in the first place before buying it.

Don't blame Honda for not building their cars in Japan anymore, it's just not feasible for them and it's just not the smart thing to do anymore. Honda is known for being a very efficient company, so making the move to Thailand was a smart one. I'm sure they are aware of these defective parts that are occurring, they wouldn't just let it slip. Their presence in Thailand is still pretty premature, so they will tighten their regulations in the production line in future and improvements will be made.

I think another contribution for these little faults are that this thing is a top seller!! They are rolling these cars straight off the production line and into your driveway. Im not sure if they expected these things to sell this well.

i dunno if you guys have studied much history and what not, but Japan used to be another one of those nations that you'd cringe at for build quality.

If it was made in Japan then you would not want to buy it. It took the modernization of Japan to make it worth anything

I GOT THE SAME PROBLEM AS U ...
Drivers window gets stuck - FIXED by honda
Honda's fault
- Rattling noise on the left hand side front. Somewhere in the door or dash. Started out with a little noise and I thought it was just some crap we had in the glove box. Now I hear it everytime I go over a bump.
Probably loose wiring behind the glovebox, also Honda's fault for not using enough tape

for fu** sake..it can be built in any part of of the world...just deliver a bloody decent quality car!

Honda has been around for many years and godsake they even compete in F1..so i guess 8th gen civic owners demand a bloody explanation for all this faults!

its been a year and a half since it rolled out the 8th gen civc..and to find the same niggling issue is seriously a fault in the QA/QC department.

btw guys..i just send in my feedback form which ive not been able to do since i got the car..i managed to include some of the problems that im experiencing currently. i hope someone hears us!!!

i guess mine rolled out during lunch time as well...

the only issue ive had is the front window issue (fixed under warranty) and a minor creak on the fitting around the tranny. that is more likely due to my audion upgrade. very happy with it so far. sad to hear other ppls stories

if you want quality get a lexus
if you want perceived quality, get a honda

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Originally Posted by jeffske

if you want quality get a lexus
if you want perceived quality, get a honda

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You got it wrong.

If you want quality, Pay $60,000 for a $30,000 jap car.
If you want adequate quality with rattles included, pay $29,990 for a $30,000 Jap car (my made in Japan car also has the same rattles).

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Originally Posted by aaronng

You got it wrong.

If you want quality, Pay $60,000 for a $30,000 jap car.
If you want adequate quality with rattles included, pay $29,990 for a $30,000 Jap car (my made in Japan car also has the same rattles).

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how is a lexus a $30,000 jap car? where can i get a lexus brand new for $30,000? you cannot
and anyone who pays $30,000 for a car and expects it to be perfect then they're very much mistaken.
i just ignore the rattles, yes i know they're really annoying but i cant complain because i knew what i was buying when i put down the money

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Originally Posted by jeffske

how is a lexus a $30,000 jap car? where can i get a lexus brand new for $30,000? you cannot
and anyone who pays $30,000 for a car and expects it to be perfect then they're very much mistaken.
i just ignore the rattles, yes i know they're really annoying but i cant complain because i knew what i was buying when i put down the money

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I meant, if you pay $30,000 for a car that costs $30,000 to mechanically build, there will be quality niggles. If you pay $60,000 for it, the extra money goes into the selection of better materials as well as better care in assembly, resulting in a car similar to Lexus in quality.

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Originally Posted by aaronng

I meant, if you pay $30,000 for a car that costs $30,000 to mechanically build, there will be quality niggles. If you pay $60,000 for it, the extra money goes into the selection of better materials as well as better care in assembly, resulting in a car similar to Lexus in quality.

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you need to take into account the superior technology in a lexus, sound deadening, better suspension, advanced safety

all im trying to say is, dont expect lexus quality when paying honda prices

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Originally Posted by jeffske

you need to take into account the superior technology in a lexus, sound deadening, better suspension, advanced safety

all im trying to say is, dont expect lexus quality when paying honda prices

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It depends on the model, but the Accord Euro's stock suspension is still superior to the IS200 and IS250's suspension. But the Lexus models with air suspension > most stock Honda's. And the extra $30,000 you pay goes to sound deadening, better safety like those radars in the IS250 as well as to pay the staff at the Lexus service centre (they come out to you in at least an IS250) if you need to send your IS250 for servicing.

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Originally Posted by aaronng

I meant, if you pay $30,000 for a car that costs $30,000 to mechanically build, there will be quality niggles.

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you have a point, but still, $30000 is a big investment for a lot of people, and with it comes certain expectations. i've owned 3 new cars before this civic: a $29k corolla, a $28k astra and a $18k getz. none of these cars had more than 2-3 problems in their entire history. then i spend $37k on a honda civic and i get 27 problems (twenty-seven).

my point is that while it is fair to only expect so much given the manufacturer's sale price / build price ratio, there does exist a limit as to how low those expectations have to be.

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Originally Posted by chylld

you have a point, but still, $30000 is a big investment for a lot of people, and with it comes certain expectations. i've owned 3 new cars before this civic: a $29k corolla, a $28k astra and a $18k getz. none of these cars had more than 2-3 problems in their entire history. then i spend $37k on a honda civic and i get 27 problems (twenty-seven).

my point is that while it is fair to only expect so much given the manufacturer's sale price / build price ratio, there does exist a limit as to how low those expectations have to be.

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you just have to take into account that big companies are looking to make the most amount of profit, this means outsourcing their plants in places like thailand and still charging their premium prices
and do civics cost freakin' $37k !! SIF get one

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Originally Posted by chylld

you have a point, but still, $30000 is a big investment for a lot of people, and with it comes certain expectations. i've owned 3 new cars before this civic: a $29k corolla, a $28k astra and a $18k getz. none of these cars had more than 2-3 problems in their entire history. then i spend $37k on a honda civic and i get 27 problems (twenty-seven).

my point is that while it is fair to only expect so much given the manufacturer's sale price / build price ratio, there does exist a limit as to how low those expectations have to be.

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Well, I can tell you that we have a 2001 Astra, and it has been all big problems. We've had fuel dripping into the cylinder when the car was off (and it wouldn't start the next day), the ignition barrel failed and we couldn't turn the key. The tow truck had to DRAG the car sideways from the road side because the transmission was locked in P and the steering was locked too. Plus we have a loud knocking sound going over bumps, which sounds like a dead shock on the rear left (but the shock is still working fine!).

With cars in this price range, there are always nuggets which get out. If you want a car with 100% perfect build quality then you have to spend up. When you get to cars like BMW which cost $60,000 and you pay that $60,000 for them, you get problems again like their famous electrical faults.

I guess buying a new car is always hit and miss unless your buying the new Lexus LS460 which are all individually tested, especially for small clinks and sounds =P. So far, our '07 vti-l been treating me nicely, no problems.

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Originally Posted by FlyingChicken

I guess buying a new car is always hit and miss unless your buying the new Lexus LS460 which are all individually tested, especially for small clinks and sounds =P. So far, our '07 vti-l been treating me nicely, no problems.

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agree! For 100 unit, one faulty is common mate.
mine also have noise between left front door and left wheel area.
but what can i expect with this under 30k car ?

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Originally Posted by aaronng

When you get to cars like BMW which cost $60,000 and you pay that $60,000 for them, you get problems again like their famous electrical faults.

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for some reason this sentence made things go 'click' in my head. i remember when i was choosing which car to buy, i compared lists of features whilst considering the price of the car... which made the civic look real good on paper, especially since it had sunroof, leather, mp3, paddle shift etc. (things i was looking for.) essentially, a large part of my selection was based on value, a word which i stupidly only now realise doesn't always go hand in hand with quality.

of course now in retrospect, approaching things so objectively was probably a mistake... rubbed in by the fact that i never use the sunroof nor the paddle shift and don't like how my passengers and myself slide around on the leather.

I have a euro lxry o6......what can I say hopeless, riddled with problems rattles, drifting etc...big list to much to mention.

Mazda6 mazda3 not as impressive or value for money abit out dated, but there sales figures say it all, shit all over Hondas sales figure.....Gee wonder why?

It all boils down too sales figures -good cars, good figures....If figures down cut corners they must make money......we suffer


The car industry tight, too much competition.

Good marketing works for a short time....it's about the product at the end of the day.

not impressed either...
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hrmmm....what was the slogan in the ad again?

was it?...."theres never been a car that feels so complete"

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Originally Posted by E-Honda

hrmmm....what was the slogan in the ad again?

was it?...."theres never been a car that feels so complete"

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"and here's your boot lining which we forgot to put in."

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Originally Posted by chylld

"and here's your boot lining which we forgot to put in."

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The boot lining is a luxury option in south east asia. I guess Honda Australia forgot to negotiate that they wanted the boot lining as well.

New user here so I apologise if this has been discussed elsewhere, but I think this is the most appropriate thread to bring this up.

I'm looking at buying a new 07 civic vti-l, am I likely to face similar issues discussed in this thread, or do most of you have the 06 model?

To be honest, your chances of getting more than 3 or 4 faults is very slim. There are only a select few people who have come across these faults and it really depends on what you would consider a 'fault'. If you are really picky then you must initially thoroughly check out the entire car for any interior faults before they roll it out for you or even shake their hand and seal the deal.

This guy who had 20+ 'faults' including 'string hanging out from the bottom of the seat' or watever I personally do not find that as a fault and its just overkill to call half of those things 'faults' when its obvious that he's just putting them there just to make a big deal out of the number of 'faults' he has.

The most common faults that these cars have are obviously the power windows are messing up or the car door doesn't close properly. Other than that its a sweet value for money car and you pay for what you get. Just don't have high expectations of quality and you won't be disappointed :)

its a great car and great value for money! If it was sorced from japan lots of u would complain ahhh its too expensive blah blah blah.

Its fantastic value for money, i have driven the tiida, focus, mazda 3 ect and they all have their faults but the civic to me is still the best looking and best value for money.

I just ordered my mrs a Civic Sport, i wasnt biast when i helped her find a car for her coz i work for honda, it was the price and value that sold it to her, none of the other cars came close.

P.s the build quality for the new CTR from london is brilliant only a few small things are bad like plastic fuel door.


lol get a commodore and falcon built in Oz and make a massive line faults! Id take the thia built civic over an aus built car anyday! and i love my holdens and V8s!

im a very picky person with cars and went in with high expectation coz of family and friends with hondas saying how good they are and i havent been disappointed... a couple of minor issue like the window but thats it... very happy with the car, esp. consideringi ts a part of the first series, which always has more problems

I'm another happy owner, apart from the door not closing properly, I'm very very satisfied with the build quality, obviously I'm not going to compare it to my parents Lexus, but for a cheap ~30k car, I would say we're getting what we pay for.

so Arcturus, you have nothing to worry about the build quality, I can bet you I can dig up threads of people complaining about the built quality of almost any mass produced car, you and I know we all don't work at 100% all the time, some times things just screw up.

there seems to be alot of issues with the 8th gen civic. maybe because they are made in thailand. i guess a car the japs really know their car better then the thai's. anyway, i had the same issue with driver and passenger window getting stuffed up. got fixed by honda dealer. seems to be common.

It's not that there's alot of issues, it's more the fact people tend to remember the bad more than the good

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Originally Posted by simonnowis

there seems to be alot of issues with the 8th gen civic. maybe because they are made in thailand. i guess a car the japs really know their car better then the thai's. anyway, i had the same issue with driver and passenger window getting stuffed up. got fixed by honda dealer. seems to be common.

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The Japanese-built Civic also has the window problem. :)

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Originally Posted by Arcturus

New user here so I apologise if this has been discussed elsewhere, but I think this is the most appropriate thread to bring this up.

I'm looking at buying a new 07 civic vti-l, am I likely to face similar issues discussed in this thread, or do most of you have the 06 model?

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buying a car like buying a electronics stuff. sometimes from 1000 got 1 faulty.
it's common.mine looks ok (so far :)
sometimes "luck" play an important role in this life.Just pray :D :D :D

its not that there are a lot of issues.... there are one or two known issues, one if which is covered anyway.... generally, people with a dud or that are unhappy are more vocal.... u dont see many "i've had my car for a year and i love it" threads...

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Originally Posted by clem

There are only a select few people who have come across these faults

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i was selected?

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Originally Posted by clem

This guy who had 20+ 'faults' including 'string hanging out from the bottom of the seat' or watever I personally do not find that as a fault and its just overkill to call half of those things 'faults' when its obvious that he's just putting them there just to make a big deal out of the number of 'faults' he has.

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topic detailing the 20+ faults with my civic: http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67596

every one of those issues, except the string one, i have a problem with. i showed them to the service manager and the district manager, and both of them agreed that i have reason to be concerned about the quality and safety of the car, and that i shouldn't have any of these problems in the first place. amongst myself, a district manager, a service manager and you, you are the only one who doesn't recognise the fact that i've been handed a bit of a lemon.

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Originally Posted by clem

The most common faults that these cars have are obviously the power windows are messing up or the car door doesn't close properly. Other than that its a sweet value for money car and you pay for what you get.

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i like the way your message rounds itself off... "you have to be picky for your car to be as defective as this guy's, you won't have any problems, oh except for the windows and the doors." i should clarify for Arcturus here: for some owners, the problem with the window is that it might physically dislodge itself from its rails and stick out of the car. unless clem is referring to the other problem with the windows where the auto-up function fails (window comes right back down.) scott's honda artarmon has recognised both these issues.

another problem that might soon be an addition to the 'common problems list' will be the engine mount which is already recognised as a problem in america and will soon be recognised as a problem here. it concerns the right-side engine mount and applies to both 1.8L and 2.0L civics. the relevant tsb# is 06-060; a replacement engine mount is available under warranty.

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Originally Posted by clem

Just don't have high expectations of quality and you won't be disappointed :)

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i will agree with this point. my standards were set by a hyundai getz, and i was disappointed... my bad.

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Originally Posted by Arcturus

I'm looking at buying a new 07 civic vti-l, am I likely to face similar issues discussed in this thread, or do most of you have the 06 model?

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now to answer your question: it is impossible to say. you may get a flawless civic, or you may get a civic that has even more flaws than mine. all anyone on these forums can do is state the facts and experiences available to them, upon which you will have to make the final decision yourself.

i should also add that at the same time my civic was in for its 4th warranty service (in less than a year), there was another person in at the same dealer with a similarly faulty civic. could just be coincidence.

Just to stir things up a little:

http://www.honda.com.au/wps/wcm/conn...Quality+Survey

Civic scored well. When you design something brand new like the 8th gen civic your going to get minor flaws that are un-seeable on paper and are only really recognizable after thousands of examples are released to the public. The 8th gen will eventually get a series 2 and from there quality will improve.

On a side note, the new commodore is having a fair few problems too, all new design, all new problems they hadnt faced before in previous editions.

good point and well made. new cars are bound to have more problems as they're 'teethed' into the market... my car was one of the first few hundred out in aus.

one point i didn't make in my previous message is that my problems are actually being resolved. improvements seen in series 2/3/4/etc. often come about because of problems realised in earlier series. the current model is still a new car, but in about a year or so i would expect the problems to be ironed out. my car is obviously playing a part in that process.

i was actually lucky in that the batch of civics just before mine had problems with the power steering failing (campaign #TE094L06)

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now to answer your question: it is impossible to say. you may get a flawless civic, or you may get a civic that has even more flaws than mine. all anyone on these forums can do is state the facts and experiences available to them, upon which you will have to make the final decision yourself.

i should also add that at the same time my civic was in for its 4th warranty service (in less than a year), there was another person in at the same dealer with a similarly faulty civic. could just be coincidence.

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We understand that your civic has 27 flaws but could I just ask, would you say that this can happen on any car regardless of its make? Obviously the chances are less as the prices go up, but couldn't this happen on any car? My point is sometimes people just get Lemons and dealers will try to rectify this as much as they can, this is a fact of life.

Don't forget the annoying rattles that comes from front passenger side/glove box/steering wheel...I reckon that's the common issue too... Bought a brand spanking new car, take your gf/families/friends for a spin, then trrr trrr...tac tac tac...drrrt.drrrrrrrrrt...tic tac...trr trrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt....what's that noise???? oh, it's nothing guys, I just need to turn my radio volume up to 15...taadaaaa..no more rattle..

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We understand that your civic has 27 flaws but could I just ask, would you say that this can happen on any car regardless of its make? Obviously the chances are less as the prices go up, but couldn't this happen on any car? My point is sometimes people just get Lemons and dealers will try to rectify this as much as they can, this is a fact of life.

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absolutely, it could happen on any car, regardless of the price.

one of the main reasons i was annoyed so much was that i expected a $30k honda to have a higher standard of quality than a $15k hyundai, and apparently even those expectations were out of line.

of course the problems themselves are only part of the situation... how the dealer / service centre resolves them is the other part. again, in my experience, honda has been a bit of a let-down here compared to hyundai.

this is all beside the fact that i have never heard of another new car with as many problems, no matter how big or small.

chylld, my post was not intended to take a shot at you, but to simply answer someones query to whether or not he should purchase this car. Due to your relentless Honda quality bashing posts, it would clearly deter anyone who reads them from purchasing a Honda.

I should have reworded my select few, It didn't mean that you were selected, it meant that you were one of the unfortunate people who were singled out on getting a decent civic. Sure, I feel for you because you purchased a new car expecting it to be of decent quality and the faults came to you unexpectedly and you were messed about by the service department who didn't seem to give a rats about your problems. This is unacceptable, but it really depends on which service dept had taken your car, i'm sure other dealers are happy to help.

This experience should not stop people from purchasing a new civic, but should help them be more aware of what sort of troubles they may come by, and may help them resolve the issues the way you did. Sorry if I've offended you.

It is apparent that the majority of 8th gen civic owners who received their car are almost 100% satisfactory with it and only ever came across the odd issue of power window/doors jamming. I'm stating this from first hand experience as I was one of the people who managed to get one as soon as it came out, and I have a few other friends who also have the earlier model, they hadn't come across any of the problems that you have, so its kind of unfair to claim that honda has 'shit' quality overall.

chylld your entitled to your opinion.

I doubt you are the only one dissasisfied with your civic, as ozhonda represents a small portion of civic owners.

I too am a little disappointed not only with the quality but with Honda Australia. Customer Satisfaction....pfffftt.

Problems with your car should be fixed straight away NO QUESTIONS ASKED.

The car industry is changing dramatically, competition is fierce throughout the industry.

Every new designed car when first introduced into the market has faults. If you want a reiable car then veer towards models which have been around for a while.....these models recieve makeover's every year they are released and problems fixed aswell from previous years.

Thanks for the advice everyone, it's greatly appreciated. I'm taking the Civic for a test drive tomorrow and am still leaning that way (the new Corolla is a possibility, but I'm still in favour of the Civic). One of the biggest factors for me is its fuel economy, and i'm looking for something relatively spacious in a small car (although IMO it's a medium car). The Mazda 3 looks good but its economy isn't as good, so that only leaves me with the Corolla.

Hopefully many of these common issues have been resolved in the 2007 model, i'm wondering if anyone has experienced them with a Civic they bought recently?

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... its kind of unfair to claim that honda has 'shit' quality overall.

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no offence taken clem. one thing i will point out is that i never said that honda has shit quality overall... i only just said what's wrong with my car and how my experience with honda has been; if that conveys a negative image for Honda, then that's Honda's fault.

fyi, if you haven't been following my main thread, the problems with my car are actually getting fixed, albeit very slowly and only after a lot of repeat visits. once i am sure of the fix to each problem i will post up a new thread detailing each problem, the symptoms, and how honda (or myself) resolved the problem, with whatever warranty info i find applicable (part numbers etc.)

that way no one else will have to go through the same trouble that i did.

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Just to stir things up a little:

http://www.honda.com.au/wps/wcm/conn...Quality+Survey

Civic scored well. When you design something brand new like the 8th gen civic your going to get minor flaws that are un-seeable on paper and are only really recognizable after thousands of examples are released to the public. The 8th gen will eventually get a series 2 and from there quality will improve.

On a side note, the new commodore is having a fair few problems too, all new design, all new problems they hadnt faced before in previous editions.

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If that survey was done in the US, then it is not the same model as the FD1 and FD2. They are a different design and also manufactured in a different factory.

Yeah, sorry, I know it wasn't you who said and implied that Honda had shit quality, it was mainly directed at the fence sitters who, after reading about a few faults and complaints automatically label the 8th gen as a poorly constructed car.

i have a '07 model civic, sydney based abt 6months old n 11000kms. only problem thats worth mentioning is the windows.. its been fixed quite easily n quickly. the problem is that the rubber lining on the window gets dry and therefore cause too much friction and the windows gets stuck. all they did when i took it to fix was, get some oil based lubricants and it was fixed... 5mins.

also another problem was when i first got the car, there was a squeeling noise from the rear.. i found out about the problem when i did my 10k service they said that the breaks are been treated too nice(i break to lightly), so the break pads becomes shiny and therefore the noise, so during the service they deglazed it and problem fixed....

no problems with the car other than that..

a 30k car with vtec, stock 3.5mm audio jack, and stylish looking car... reliable service, WHY NOT?!?!?!

not to mention ive heard heaps of problem with the passenger windows... n they not all from honda, seems like most of the japanese company cars have the same problems, after hearing those from friends... i guess its fair to get 1 or 2 minor problems~

my car is finally fixed now :) (thread)

interestingly the airbag wasn't installed properly at the factory, which was the cause of one of the most annoying rattles. certainly worth getting that one checked out.

Hmm...

somewhere in the post, said that the 8th Gen Civics were made in Thailand...
i have one back in singapore (similiar to civic sport but it's called Si back home) that's made in japan...true false?

anyway, i feel that the major problems with the 8th Gen besides those stated, the windscreen's frame is too big and it blocks ur view...
and...u're driving a ball...

did anyone realize the steering wheel looks like a Fallopian tube, and the auto shift knob looks like a *ahem* di*k head...

talk abt ergonomics...

chock

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my car is finally fixed now :) (thread)

interestingly the airbag wasn't installed properly at the factory, which was the cause of one of the most annoying rattles. certainly worth getting that one checked out.

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Good to hear you problems solved ;)

Build quality is lacking forsure!

After reading this complete thread i have not seen 1 listing of a serious problem, they are just minor glitches that can happen with any new vehicle. Not 1 Engine or Gearbox related issue.
1 problem everyone complains about is the sticky power windows, to me this is a maintanance issue that owners should be taking care of. The rubber window channels tend to dry out due to rain...washing cars......being out in the weather....etc. How hard is it for people to have a can of silicon spray in their shed....every few months just wind the windows down & give the rubber channels a spray.....end of issue....no more problems....part of the normal upkeep of a car.
As for being buit in Thailand......a non issue these days. How about the 3 series BMW being built in South Africa, or Mercedes having some of their auto transmissions built in the Philippines.
As a value for money car i dont believe the civic can be beaten....cheap purchase price.....great resale value.....excellent reliability & fuel consumption....i dont know of another car in this class that could average 7.06L/100km over 22,000km.....i still find the ecconomy hard to believe.
For you people who think you have a few problems try buying a new Commodore or Falcon & see how you go. I have yet to hear of any Honda having the engine replaced after 1200 kms

Let me add to my last posting by saying that while i believe the Civic to be a very good vehicle over all there are 2 problems in my view that are serious safety flaws.
1. The blind spot caused by the A Pillars is extreemly bad, and it is a design problem that cant be easily overcome. But i also believe it is a problem that will find its way into other vehicles as manufacturers strive to meet new crash worthiness laws.
2. Headlights...very poor range....high beam is good for approximately 100 meters. I eventually overcame this problem by fitting a pair of Lightforce "170" Driving Lights. I can now see at night, however i believe it distracts from the look of the car.

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1 problem everyone complains about is the sticky power windows, to me this is a maintanance issue that owners should be taking care of. The rubber window channels tend to dry out due to rain...washing cars......being out in the weather....etc. How hard is it for people to have a can of silicon spray in their shed....every few months just wind the windows down & give the rubber channels a spray.....end of issue....no more problems....part of the normal upkeep of a car.

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Well.. we dont have to do this with most of other car (and previous model of Civics) that cost us $35K...

buddah51au i assume u haven't read through my problems list then. my car had numerous serious problems such as an improperly installed airbag, an unstable passenger seat (the whole frame of which was found faulty and had to be replaced), a faulty engine mount and a driver's door that wouldn't close properly. i also wouldn't call having to stop the car and walking 20 metres back up the road to pick up the exhaust finishers that fell off "routine maintenance."

that said i do agree with your comments on the a-pillars and headlights, although the former being a little too fat and the latter being a little too dim pale in comparison to some of the problems i and some other owners have had.

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Well.. we dont have to do this with most of other car (and previous model of Civics) that cost us $35K...

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heck... you don't even need to do this on a car that costs half that much.