What does a standard RX8 do over the 400m run?
I raced one with a friends B16 EG Hatch and beat one (He was clearly trying too)
But then I just watched a Topgear episode where around their track it was as quick as a M3
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What does a standard RX8 do over the 400m run?
I raced one with a friends B16 EG Hatch and beat one (He was clearly trying too)
But then I just watched a Topgear episode where around their track it was as quick as a M3
if you raced one on the track wouldn't you know the time it ran? We don't allow street racing here.
it's really fast. heaps fast man didn't you know?
lol nice thread! :thumbsup:
i guess in before close?
I had a RX8 for a year .. and there's no way in the world a B16 would beat it in anyway ... unless he wasn't trying, was just a crap driver .. or the B16 was fully modded with a turbo on it. the RX8 is deceptively fast when you're driving it because it's so stable and so linear .... you can't even feel when you're going at 100km/h. I've also had a B16 back in the days ... and there's just no way it compares in anyway.
The B16 wasn't anything too special
Would be lucky to get into the 14s I'd say
But the RX8 qas genuinely into it. And I was in the Civic...
I also dragged one while I was driving a VT V6 and th RX8 was marginally quicker...
Anway, regardless to that, what do stock RX8s get on a dragstrip?
looks like yo have a very special B16. take special care of it :)
why dont you look up the manufacturers website?
Some of the members here do mid 14s with basic bolt-on b16 in their EKs, so why can’t an EG b16 keep up or beat an rx8?
coz everyone always hates on the b16's.. thumbs down to them!
IMO it's a weapon for a 1.6
the rx8 is a weapon for a 1.3. hahaha. but we all know its a rotary lol.
so you're saying a B16 with a little exhaust and intake will do under 5sec to 100km/h ?
and yes.. a rotory .. but damn good for a 1.3 .. chews up fuel like there's no tomorrow as well .. but a nice car anyhow.
Yeah, alot of people underestimate the B16.Quote:
Originally Posted by dupac->
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...t=71218&page=2
But frankly, a B18C would have more potential for equal mods - and I think thats where most are coming from.
but how quick r the rx8s... i always have an impression that they not quick
Is that what you think the RX8 does?Quote:
Originally Posted by joey99
My Motor magazine shows
0-100 6.58
400m 14.58
They are as fast as the driver!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by |N|
Nah, I was never under the impression that they were quick when I had the chance to drive one. I also insulted my wife's friend when I told him his car doesn't feel quick :-p
Needs a Turbo charger like the FDs and FCs of old...
they are fast .. 0-100 in low 5secs... just deceptively fast when you're driving it .. it's like a 350Z which is also very linear in power delivery.. they're just so stable and solidly built that you just can't tell how fast you're going until you look at the speedo. I was usually way over the speed limit without any effort at all. For a standard car .. they're incredible.
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Originally Posted by joey99
how would u compare RX8 with dc2R since i assume u have dc2r now... and used to have rx8...
b16's can beat a rx8, i've seen it happen :thumbsup: but i dunno about driver skill though, dont think the rx8 driver was that bad....
my mates ek b16 beat an rx8 as well.
ive been in one before and they not that quick. 0-100 in low 5's... hmm not so sure about that one.
They'll do a 14.5 if the moon was in phase and the planets were in correct alignment. They're a bit of a nugget really. I was hugely disappointed when i drove it.Quote:
Originally Posted by spetz
the story is .. I bought a DC2R after selling the RX8 so I could use the left over money for something else. and also to have a new project car to play with. I drove the DC2R which was totally stock for 2 weeks. I was very very dissapointed in the lack of power .. even in vtec. Handling was extremely good even compared to the RX-8 .. actually nothing really comes close to the DC2R chasis.
After looking into modding the DC2R .. the cost/power ratio was just ridiculous .. the amount of money you have to put into it to get it anywhere near a turbo car's power seemed sily to me. so after 2 weeks .. I swapped it for a WRX with 180kw atw. I just like the turbo kick in the pants feeling that the DC2R doesn't give.
so there's really no comparison from a RX8 to a DC2R .. very different machines ... the RX8 was effortless to drive and fast without really having to try. The DC2R has to work pretty hard to get going .. I didn't really feel it was the legend it was suposed to be.
fair enf Joey... but u also have to keep in mind that .. honda didnt design them for straight line performance ... they r there for well balanced handling.. and i think they did well in that area... well for FF anywya .. i dun think i ve driven any other FF car that handles better then a dc2r
ok .. sorry . the rx8 is more like 6.2 secs to 100.
and yes the DC2R was one of the most balanced cars I've ever driven .. could use about 30kws more maybe .. but t was a incredible chasis. Just not a car for everyone.
haha low 5 seconds? you think they are porsche or something, 177kw and 1350kg does not add up to low 5s mate...Quote:
Originally Posted by joey99
doesn't the rx8 hav 50/50 wieght distribution?
heard they were quick in corners too.. friend has dc2r and drove one n said it was pritty quick..n it's redline is like...9000rpm? or 8 can't remember
anywho would b interesting race around a track...rx8 vs dc2r..both cars that were made to handle
yes around the track would probably be a completely different story and will be very interesting to see. but I can see the RX8 running away on the straight .. and the DC2R catching it on corners and sticking to it's tail quite easily being light and cornering so well. I can see it being a very close race actually.
In normal driving conditions in traffic etc however, the RX8 is way easier to live with, alot more solid and even though it doesn't have huge torque in the low end, drivability is still much better than a DC2R in traffic conditions. The DC2R just doesnt' have anythign down low at all and there's really no chance of getting to vtec range.
Petrol wise ... the RX8 is silly .. on a full tank of about $70-80, I was luck to get 350km out of it! It just cost way too much! The DC2R was so so much better fuel economy wise .. of course unless you drive in vtec and like a maniac all the time. so in the end.. settled for a 2.0liter turbo rexy.. kinda like my old S15 which is somewhere in the middle of the both. yes I had a nicely modded S15 for 4 years before the RX8.
wat model rexy did u get?
it's a 2000 clubspec evo4.. the pale yellow, I got the car with all the Apexi stuff on it already... including full turbo back N1 titanium exhaust, VF23 turbo, powerFC, avcr boost control, front mount intercooler, coilovers, front and back struts and upgraded sways. It was a straight swap with my DC2R and with 60,000kms less then the DC2R had on it's clock. well, he was happy and I was happy so it was a good deal.
http://www.jase3d.com/images/myCars/WRX_1.jpg
nice...go the rexy's..i hav a my00 aswell...can't b more happy with it :) :) :)
wow cool :) NICE :) so how does that compare to your EK4 ?
I had a nicely modded EK9 vtiR with alot of mugen and spoon stuff put into it ... about .. wow about 10 years ago! they were nice cars. great handling car with spoon suspension :)
http://www.jase3d.com/images/myCars/civic2.jpg
rexy murders the ek4 straight line
but corners the ek4 would win...probably caus i hav stock sussy on the rex
run ur car down the 1/4...c wat u get :) should b able 2 hit 12's easy
Twin rotar...which basically equates to a 2.6L.Quote:
Originally Posted by d15z1SUX
well even with coils, the rexy is still abit floaty and definitely not as chuckable into corners as the hondas ... but would be hard to catch out of a corner.
I'd love to go down the 1/4 soon .. doing abit more to it right now to get much more low end torque out of it.
drivability is much more important to me .. I don't care how much top end power it makes, it just needs that responsiveness that it will go when I need it to.
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Originally Posted by Q_ball
but isnt it more like twin 0.650 = 1.3 ???
meh .. i dunnno ... i know close to nothing abt those cars
I had the RX8 for a year and I still don't know how the 1.3 makes that much power. I don't think I even opened the bonnet. Neverthe less, it's a good cruze car :) and very comfortable even with my 2 kids in it. Just a high quality car in everyway in my opinion.
Yup yup.Quote:
Originally Posted by |N|
0.65 x 2.
People consider it 2.6L because it is a 2 stroke rather than a 4 stroke.
Have you got a source for this claim of low 5sec? It has no correlation with any test I have ever read for the RX8 - save for an article on a custom TURBO RX8 in one of the Austrlaian magazines.Quote:
Originally Posted by joey99
Realistically it is 14.5 to 14.8 over the 400m and 6.5 to 6.8 to 100kph.
Why do you think all the RX8 owners were complaining when the MPS3 was released? It is because the MPS3 is faster in a straight line. 5 sec is bull.
It makes that much power because its an almost continuous firing cycle much like the 2 stroke (Also why the fuel consumption is high as well) unlike a four stroke...Quote:
Originally Posted by joey99
Four Stroke
1. Compression (Upward)
2. Firing (Downard) - Power Stroke
3. Exhaust (Upward)
4. Intake (Downard)
Two Stroke
1. Compression + Intake (at the same time)
2. Firing - Power Stroke
3. Exhaust + Filling of cylinder with fresh charge...
Rotary
1. Intake + Compression + Exhaust + Power stroke all at the same time...LOL
It's because the rotary has 3 chambers in each rotor, making it a total of 6 chambers, which have a power stroke in each cycle, making a total of 6 power strokes per revolution. In contrast, a 4-cyl has only 4 chambers and only 2 of them have power strokes during one revolution. So a rotary 3 times the number of power strokes, but pushes only twice the power because the chamber is smaller than in a piston engine.Quote:
Originally Posted by e240
fantastic explainations :)
Better yet Get your self to a Mazda dealer and ask to test drive one, best way I know to find out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_will
meh il rather drive in a rx8, than a eg b16a/b18c
ive chopped RX8's before... low 5 second???wake up to yourselves, they are a great car but they aint THAT fast
I was hoping people would say times that they saw RX8s do at WSID or something so I can compare it to other cars which have ran there. As I don't really like the manufacturer stats
The B16 was quick for a 1.6, as it was fully rebuilt with some mods done to it, but still it wasn't quicker than another car it raced which did 14.3 at WSID
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Originally Posted by Zilli
rofl.. low 5s.. thats like in the Sti/Evo Class! :)..
lets not go there with RX8 Vs a B18C7..;)
gotta shift the gears properly in a type R to notice the accelleration..
i.e. 1st gear 8.4krpm..by the time you quick shift to second..your rpm should not drop more than 7.2krpm..which is only 1.2krpm before you shift to 3rd..
RX8's are basically exactly the same performace Straight line/cornering drag/track etc to an S2K (so dats pretty damn slow lol). My friend has one and we can not split them, even when swapping drivers....
Just to give you a real world example...
you know it dudeQuote:
Originally Posted by Da1nONLY
if you know how to drive your car itll suprise u every time!
my dads got a rx8... fast cars they are.. also handle amazingly!!! have so much stability.. although my dc2r would eat his rx8 for breakfast!!!
I Don't quite agree, I've taken my s2k '99 model against my friend's '06 rx-8 from a dig and from 100km/h+ runs and every time I pull away from him...not by a lot but the s2k is always quicker.Quote:
Originally Posted by IRI
To give you another comparison, the RX-8 is infinitely more neutral than the s2000 (and I have an aggressive alignment too) It's so much more controllable when the back end kicks out too! I love it but they just use too much petrol 160kms from 1/2 a tank just normally driving is ridiculous :thumbdwn:
Also the engine sounds like nothing when you reach 9000rpm :thumbdwn:
Haha yeah s2k pobably has the tinyest edge, but I'm always afraid to brutally launch mine. I do the old let the clutch out and then floor it... If I was driving someone else's s2 I probably wouldn't have the same reservations lol. RX8's do sound quite sedate, but with a decent exhaust they start to sound like a real rotary :)
i would say, stock to stock , rx8 and dc2r pretty similar down the 1/4 mile , but rx8 will have more top end , so if it is more than 1/4 mile ,rx8 will win
i saw today in wheels that the dc2r was rated at 7.4 (or possibly 7.2) secs 0-100 so the rx-8 should win a straight drag. that said, the dc2r was designed for better things than jus running straight ahead quickly :)
rx8 has 50-50 weight distribution for a reasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Vinnie
wake up..... rx8 will never did 5sec. they are not that fast as it soundsQuote:
Originally Posted by joey99
:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
when i had my rx7 .. the rego papers say 2.6L
imo, the rx8 is a piece of shit.
ive raced two in my old stnadard ek4 and smacked them both. my car i ran my car and got 14.790.
so the guys that say they're fast, the rx8's i raced must have had lots of problems then.
I think having a rotary engine really is a waste of fuel.
The only advantage it has is on a track as its engine characteristic is smooth. But by far the really only advantage it has in real life is when its attached to a turbo.
Turbo + Rotary is an unbeatable combination. That linear torque, unbeatable high RPM revvability and power, smoothness, and dare I say the ability to hold up to the extra boost. Yes it wears out quicker than conventional piston engines but during the time it doesnt wear out, the chances of a mis-tune damaging the rotary is much less than with a turboed piston engine.
you are a road thug zico haha..Quote:
Originally Posted by zco
there ok cars. Stop bagging them out.
maybe you raced the Auto version? They are only 14xkw from memory, a lot less than the manual version...either that or they must not have been trying/they were crap driversQuote:
Originally Posted by zco
twice? my mates raced an rx8 in his h23a1 lude non vtec he just lost.
rx8's are awesome cars.. have such a good feeling 2 them. feel so stable and they handle so well due to the 50/50 weight distribution.. the wankel (hehe wankel) engines are real nice, smooth would be awesome with a turbo or 2 on them, but then id guess that so called reliability these modern wankel rotars have would be out the window!
i get the feeling that many of the people posting here have never actually driven an rx-8 but are giving second hand recounts of 'races' that have way too many varibales to be an accurate indicator of a cars performance...
haha well even tho dislike em, gotta admit, looks pretty damn good
i had a chance to drag a Rx-8 on the straight at wakefield last time round. Stock rx-8 vs 110hp swift. Was pretty even the whole way down the straight, he pulled only half a car lenght for a 700m drag race.
No fair, you probably had a better drive out of the last corner .. hahaha :wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by fatboyz39
Hiaks...at the end of the day, you drive what you like...who cares if its fast or slow. Are you Happy? Thats all that matters.
If we use the quarter as a guage, there are 1 minute civics and then are sub 10 second civics...
^ wakefield park straight.. alot of it depends on the speed u exit the last corner on....
rx-8 is also not about straight line like most honda's its about handling as well, which is seen with its 50/50 weight distribution... although can not be compared 2 a dc2r for example, iv swapped cars with my dad (rx8 is his daily car) and he loves the itr... thinks it has awesome handling... i think similar about the rx8 although it is more luxuries (more mature package)... it is a nice car, but personally i love the rawness of my itr :)
Yeah, and for Fatboyz to do the time he's doing in a 1.3, he must have been carrying alot of corner speed...Great Driving...Quote:
Originally Posted by SHIFTY
One thing I don't like about the rx-8 is the lack of headroom!!!!!!! my hair touches the roof and it's really annoying! (rx-8 fitted with electric seats + sunroof) same shit happens in the e46 330ci (elec seats + sunroof) ARGHHHHHHH
haha jimmy, 110hp swift weighing jack all ! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by fatboyz39
my dc2r is mildly stock - lighter fly, falken rt615, additional bracing, some exhaust work etc and i have the privilege of driving a rx8 (hard) on a regular basis. my conclusion was that the rx8 is one class above the dc2r.
rx8 is superior to the dc2r in terms of speed and stability when you drive it fast. the main reason with the dc2r is understeer (as expected) and unfortunately because of this, it just loses out a lot in terms of the speed which the car can take around corners. while dc2r handles great, it's incomparable to the rx8. the rx8 is far more stable around corners - the chassis feels more in control, and the steering is tighter and more responsive than the dc2r.
for example, around one corner using exactly the same line, i could feel understeer creeping in noticeably at 80kph in the dc2r, but the rx8 ate it up comfortably at 100kph. no, the car doesnt have that much power in the low revs, but thats not an issue when you drive it fast. unless its pretty heavily modified, the dc2r is simply not on the same level as the rx8.
and this would make sense, because the rx8 is the same class as the 350z and s2000. anyone who reckons the dc2r is faster is just kidding themselves.
why you would be using the same line for a fwd and rwd car is beyond me...
^^^^
Yeah, I have to agree with Mr WILL, you may not be driving your DC2R correctly and it also sounds like you've setup your DC2R wrong, with all that extra bracing..
only time when i get u understeer is in the rain.. if it is good weather (which is only time when ill be driving harder) my car will tend 2 oversteer more then understeer (have alot of rear bracing,stiffer setting at back for sussi)
and it sounds like ur talking about the street, i would say yes a rx8 faster on the street, but on the track where it counts... dc2r is faster!
i slapped an rx8 as well nothing special also drove 1 feels like a nugget compared to a b20
I don't think the DC2R will be faster on the track than an RX-8.
The tighter the track the more advantage to the RWD RX-8.
Funnily enough if it has really long corners, especially uphill ones, it will also suit the RX-8 or S2000 more.
Both are easy cars to drive however. The chassis is better than its power level and neutrality.
Which one will I buy? The DC2R. IMHO I don't think the RX-8 has enough power for its chassis. Whereas any more power in the DC2R than stock it would have too much torque for a FWD to handle.
We had the same corner exit speed. I done the criss cross move which cost me some speed where we exit next to each other with same exit speed. Was really suprise that it didn't pull away.Quote:
Originally Posted by e240
Geezz there only 1.3L stop comparing ppl. There good for what they are.
well, the corner was really tight so there weren't a whole lot of lines to take. also, my dc2r just has the rear bar and a front bar thats connected to the sussy instead of chassis so the 'setup' isn't a concern.
yes road was street/winding roads, so yes the result could be different on track. it's really up to the driver to deal with understeer then. even so, on track i'd be incredibly surprised if the dc2r posted superior times to the rx8, given advanced drivers. thats like saying that the dc2r posts similiar times to s2000/350z. i think a lot of people give the rx8 a lot less credit then it deserves.
B16 vs RX8 anyone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0u4zNetRNE
Turbo RWD in the wet anyone? :zip:Quote:
Originally Posted by DUST