is 60000 import the mugen civic RR too expensive?
just quoted hong kong sell a RR for HKD 400000(on road) , if change to australia dollars is 60000 will you buy one???
http://images.paultan.org/images/Hon...Mugen-RR-1.jpg
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is 60000 import the mugen civic RR too expensive?
just quoted hong kong sell a RR for HKD 400000(on road) , if change to australia dollars is 60000 will you buy one???
http://images.paultan.org/images/Hon...Mugen-RR-1.jpg
i WOULD !!! price for the enthuasm (cant spell it) not really for whats it worth, i would just buy it because its the RR not because of what the things in it are worth.
i would if i had the dosh. would sure be a whole lot better than my eg sedan haha. mm new car.
Yes, I would buy it (new) for 60K.
It's only the same price as an EVO or STi, and I certainly don't rate either of those two any more accomplished than a CTR or Mugen RR.
60k for a civic?
no.
lol.
^agreed, 60k id rather get a 2nd hand Audi TT (gen 2)Quote:
Originally Posted by destrukshn
60k could get me an 2nd hand evo7 plus plenty of money to put into it...
unique!!!!!:wave:
thats the way to go
it's expensive, but I'm not sure about "too" expensive. A guy in South Australia imported a mid engined v6 clio for about 130k... sure it's rare as (only one in Australia?) but I don't know if it's worth that much...
I say hold out, there's that other thread which talks about us getting the sedan type r...
:). No thanks on the TT.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffske
thats a deposit for a house in inner melbourne. deposit > 60K overpriced civic
still a no for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by turbo convert
lol.
in the end, overall, it's got good performance and handling, but would you really want to spend 60k on a civic? i'd rather a s2k.
lol.
Funnily enough, I was thinking about the Clio V6 when someone else mentioned about relating the cost of a car to where the mainstream model is placed in the product line-up (in this case, on the lower end of the scale with the Civic).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hullabaloo
The Clio, upon which the V6 is originally based, could also be accused of "just being a Clio", however, if you look at the changes they've had to make to that car, and I know first-hand from talking to the Renault UK product manager that the cost to make those cars and offer them in the UK at £25k (approx AUD$60ish at today's rate) did not make Renaultsport much money at all, so from a consumer's perspective, value wise, although it's "a lot of money for a Clio", arguably you got more for your dollar/pound than in something where the manufacturer has priced in a premium for "perceived" value (Ferrari anyone?).
Having said all that, $130AUD for a Clio V6 doesn't make much sense at all!, but that is partly a regulatory issue with taxes, duties etc. Some people spend that much on paint jobs, chroming, stickers and other things to make them feel unique.
I have no problem spending $60k on "a Civic" if I can see what value I'm getting in return.
btw, can you point me to where you found out about the Clio V6 in SA?
I've seen the Clio V6 in France, while it looks like a monster, it's not a fast car. If I was in a different country, there are many other cars that are worth importing for that amount of money.
http://users.on.net/~murcod/RSC/Clio%20V6/
found out about the car through the blue 182 cup F1 owner in the pics.
but yeah.. 60k for a mugen rr... hmmm how much would it cost to get it on the road here?
for arguments sake if you could get it for 60k on road, and the jap spec sedan civic r gets sold here would it still be worth it?
I agree with most other people, there are better things you could do with the money... house deposit or a better car for that price... myself? i'd probably go with a second hand evo (I need a boot).
Yeah, they are not that fast in absolute terms. But they do have unique handling attributes and are brilliant fun. Yes, I have driven one in anger!.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Hulla, thanks for the link
The most fun and scary part is the engine being less than 1m away from your head. LOL
why buy a honda at all if not to be diffrent!Quote:
Originally Posted by destrukshn
example why sepnd 15k on a civic or teg or anything when you can drive a 180sx or r32.
its to be diffrent imo.
each to there own.
i wouldn't buy one personally,as staed 60k = house deposit, but if your rich why not!
because hondas are more reliable than nissans?
lol
nuts. i'd rather do a EG-K project! it would be even more NUTS! if the below line is spending $60k on a civic!
eg-k boosteed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Civic - $20K base car.
Civic Mugen RR - $40K more for a few extra KW, bodykit, some tuning works. Sheeet
Nah, you should compare it like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by SiReal
Civic Type R ~$50k
Mugen RR - $10k more for kit, suspension and bling.
... so hang on will 60 have it here, that's just on the road in Hong Kong, correct me if i'm wrong but what bout compliance (though i doubt you could get 1), tariffs, etc?!?
60k if you are only going to track it or something.
I personally think you would be better boosting a new civic type r if you want that look!!
agrree with you there that was my reason for purchasing a honda, but your says in s2k for me if i had the money i would buy the civic RR cause its 4 door!Quote:
Originally Posted by destrukshn
but i dont have 60k and prob could never justify it on a car anyways:thumbdwn:
still the RR looks the bizzo............
and for anyone with spoon socks that say they won't fork out $60K for the RR your in denial...........hahhahaha.
it may not have function but it has plenty of formQuote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
I think if you viewed it as a collectors item (only 300 being made supposedly) then it is probably worth the 60,000 price tag, however viewing it as a every day car theres alot more better value cars on the market.
as hot as it is for a daily driven car its too expensive.
I would buy one if i had the money to let it sit in the garage and only come out on sunny weekends six times a year.
P.S i would say it would be closer to 75,000 by the time you imported it and payed duty, GST etc on it
I'll second that.Quote:
Originally Posted by destrukshn
60K lol
fark that's a brand new EVO 9 or STI with quite alot of options on it
I don't subscribe to the view that because the EVO and STi are (probably) faster, that they are actually better and a step above the FD2R or Mugen RR.
They are different, but it's not a given that should you wish to move on to something "better", the EVO or STi are default choices in the 60K bracket. They have their pros and cons, and if you were to make an argument for involvement and driver appeal, neither of the latter could be said that they would decisively trump the FD2R or Mugen RR.
funny that..if the mugen RR was released for 60K i would not touch itQuote:
Originally Posted by slipangle
i've test driven a FD2R and it was not that great. went pretty well stopped well. but lacked overall drivability.. refinement was great for a new car.. but just doesnt cut it for me i would not pay 41K driveaway for a FWD car
if u look at bang for bucks.. it's not the best.
we may love our hondas but theres better cars for the same price
evo or sti ftwps
Where did you test drive it?!Quote:
Originally Posted by [[d a n n y]]
shut up miss typo FD2R
60 grand would make my CRX faster then any Civic RR lol. I'd probably have some left over for a different car as well lol
insurance cost?Quote:
Originally Posted by turbo convert
fuel economy?
attention from thieves/cops?
for me it was value for money... not many cars in the honda range are that different.. especially not now..
where talking about performance cars here not fuel efficient cars
So is it FD2R or FN2R? hehehe.Quote:
Originally Posted by [[d a n n y]]
read my first post FN2R already edited it lolQuote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Oops, missed that. Dammit, if you knew someone who had an FD2R for track use only, that would have been great.
I'd pick FD2R over any AUDM EVO since it can do Suzuka quicker than a JDM EVO VI.
I'd rather shoot myself in the foot than buy an Audi TTQuote:
Originally Posted by jeffske
I'm confused. You edited my quote to change my reference to the FD2R to be FN2R in your post. btw, what makes you think that an FWD is largely inferior to a 4WD car, and not worthy of commanding a pricetag > 40k?Quote:
Originally Posted by [[d a n n y]]
I concur that I wouldn't even pay 35 for an FN2R, but would be willing to pay up to 50 for an FD2R, and back on topic, I'd also pay 60 for a Mugen RR.
what was the lap time the RR put down at tsukuba? 1:05 or 1:06?
why so much hate on the TT?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew
http://www.autoblog.it/uploads/050118audiTT2502_n.jpg
lol sorry mate i wrote it as soon as i woke up..Quote:
Originally Posted by slipangle
anyways we seem to have the same opinion i would not pay over 30K for 40K for a civic. i do not believe a FWD car is inferior to a 4WD on the track. but..for the 60K estimated price tag i will buy a EVO 9 or STi over the 60K civic.
on the track the JDM civic would definately be a good drive. but in the real world and evo or sti would be quicker everywhere. ( real world as in sydney melb roads)
well thats my opinion...
in the real world FWD just doesnt do it bumpy shity roads loss of traction etc
sorry for the editing mate i didnt mean to lol
I rather buy a FN2R and use the rest for mods - LSD, I/H/E/cams, tuning. I'm pretty sure you would get something close to a FD2R's performance minus the common aesthetic looks of a FD2.
RR>>>>> ur evo and sti
all are based on economy car but rr by far the rarest
girly poser car. the people that drive one are usually dickheads.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffske
in the U.S. The audi tt is a joke. Slow as hell. i just worked on one as well installing a system, and they are put together cheap as well.
Don't think it's that simple. It sounds like it's 60k just to get it here. Then he's gotta compliance, blue slip and engineer and finally register it. I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up on the high side of $80k once done. Has anyone ever imported an FD2? The best thing to do is get in touch with someone who has already and know what you're up for.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
dosent it make sense to "modify" the current civi sedan with a K20 conversion and suspension work - for FAR less than $60k ?
You guys are taking this " JDM FTW !" thing way too far
60K ...... hmmmm .... how about a Vspec GTR34 ?
how about an evo ? or STi ? or anything really...the JDM CTR isnt that quick or special in anyway....Quote:
Originally Posted by 180sx
wait...
it IS JDM , which this thread is about lol.
heres a thinker right here guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by 180sx
=)
lol.
Haha, I was just comparing RRP. Because you CANNOT import an FD2 into Australia unless it is a private import.Quote:
Originally Posted by m0nty ITR
Stock, it is a slow car.Quote:
Originally Posted by 180sx
To be on topic, 60K is too much to me for an FD2R, I think 50K is probably the maximum I wouldn want to spend on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
To be off topic, by what measures do you classify the R34 GTR as slow? I always thought it was reasonably quick, approx 5 sec 0-100 and supposed sub 8 minute nurburgring. cheers. :thumbsup:
Yeah I got that. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
So in order to get one you need to buy in Japan, register in Japan, deregister (laws on residing in Japan apply for private import????) and then ship here to then get car engineered. I certainly couldn't be arsed into importing one. Just get a local release and K20a and get aftermarket parts. You'd prtobably end up with a better car anyway.
60K for the RR chucks.........Quote:
Originally Posted by mpd076-chuck
I'd hit it........but would need a loan of $59K :cool:
The FD2R is faster than the R34 GTR, EVO VI RS, RX-7 RS and NSX Type S on Suzuka. And Suzuka is not a tight and slow track.Quote:
Originally Posted by mpd076-chuck
Was in a stock R34 GTR Vspec last month. It was slow. 0-100km/h times are not an indication of a fast car. It's an indication of a car with good traction. :)
You have to prove that you lived in japan for 12 months as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by m0nty ITR
why not? 60k for an 'impreza' or a 'lancer' if thats your way of thinking?Quote:
Originally Posted by destrukshn
Are you the golf owner that I think you are? :wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by MKI4EVA
Sorry with it now - RR. Na wouldnt pay 60K anyway. Combined we only need 58K loan :p
That the FD2R is faster around Suzuka than R34 really is something else.
Yup, I was surprised that it was so quick on a high speed track.
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3727/fd2rym8.jpg
would u like CTR or a R34 GTR for the same price?
plus we are talking track here..
is the public road a race track?
the CTR maybe faster than the above cars in the race track in the real world with bumps and terrible road broken traction roads. it'll be a different story.
I'm not that keen on exploiting track speeds on the road, so it would be fine by me, but I understand your point there Danny.
I just love that Honda still build a car for the track, that's what drew me to DC2R in the first place, from Skyline's that really needed some mods to feel as comfortable on the track. (DC2R not fastest track car, but it just takes a track beating so well)
60K - Mugen RRQuote:
Originally Posted by mpd076-chuck
BTW, I'd be surprised if a standard R34 GT-R (as in the 99-01 cars now selling for $60k here) is a sub 8 minute Nurburgring car (maybe a later Nur-spec or Z-tune is). Even the much quoted "first" sub 8 minutes record for the R33 GT-R was not representative as that car was far from standard. IIRC it was virtually N1 spec with semi-slicks.
The first true, off the production line car to officially sub 8 minutes at the 'Ring was the 996 GT3 Mk1.
Nevertheless, an R34 GT-R is a reasonably quick car, would no doubt offer different sensations to a Mugen RR.
did u find that Bestmotoring and SS it for this thread ??? i LOL if u did hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Quote:
Originally Posted by mpd076-chuck
Well that writes off a bog stock 99-01 R34 being sub 8 minutes. There is no way it is the equal of a MK1 GT3. But yes the R34 would still be great fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by slipangle
As for the BM pic, aaronng is the king of BM! :) (well he at least understands some if it, unlike me... )
With all this talk of nurburging, here is a snippet from an email that just arrived from a good mate who just drove it...
- I had an E36 M3 race car (on R spec tyres) for the session, and managed 6 full driving laps along with an initial sighting lap... The sighting lap was fantastic with Theo's diesel Golf taking on and passing many faster cars. The two main impressions from the sighting lap were how slippery/scary it was (it was spotty rain all day, and Theo was sliding a lot) and how often Theo was touching/adjusting braking as cambers/crests/wet patches meant you couldn't drive it like a regular track (much more like a SUPER FAST targa stage)
- The 6th lap was fine again as there was a dry line, but the biggest thing that stood out was that the faster you go, and more comfortable you are, the more challenging the track becomes. Simple braking zones become too short because of a crest, corners that linked up nicely no longer do so, turn in points disappear because wheels are off the ground, you have to start changing direction while still exiting a bend. This is really an incredible piece of road!!
- On track...got taken at warp speed by an Orange Gallardo being driven very well. It caught me, passed me, and was out of sight within about 5 corners. I caught, passed, and blasted into the weeds, a Winnebago and a transit van!
the "average interest level" of every car on the road here is so high. Probably every second car you see on the road is interesting. So many GT porsches and BMW M cars, you stop noticing them. Heaps of Lotus' too, even a Mk1Exige with a Honda engine, owned by an Italian guy (who spoke no english) but had just done 450km on track at Spa
Nurburgring = petrolhead heaven. Seriously, that place has magic wafting around in the air!
BTW, the FD2R has undergone development at the Nurburgring (if you believe what other ppl have written) like all accomplished cars should!
lol 60 to import a a 170kw front wheel drive civic
what the hell have u people been smoking??? lol
smoking? petrol sniffing :)
seriously, if you ever spend much time trying to balance on the tightrope between grip and slip, a proper Type R (or something like a RR cut from the same cloth) is a well resolved driver's instrument, FF or not!.
Didn't need to find it. I have it screen capped from a previous discussion on the FD2R.Quote:
Originally Posted by 180sx
Quote:
Originally Posted by UNLS1
it's not what we've been smoking, it's more what honda australia hasn't been smoking is more the question :thumbsup:
audi tt = bad
with 60k, r32 gtr + mods = :D :D :D :D
i seen a car like this yesterday
i was wondering if its the mugen one
it drove past me, red new civic type r definately
it was hot, different looking but its grown on me already
for 60k tho i'd buy something else, but each to ur own
the thread starter asked if 60k was to much for it...if u have 60k and don't see anyfing else u like or is better value then it's probably not for u
but a very unique car
It wouldn't have been a genuine FD2R. I don't think anyone has brought one out here yet. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by code-87
You saw the FN2R. That one is nothing like this FD2R. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by code-87
For starters, the FD2R has 165kW vs the FN2R's 148kW. Next, the FD2R has 4-pot Brembos at the front and suspension height sensors to sense nose-dive when braking hard. :)
its also highly possible that someone has fitted extras to a local new civic sedan , to make it look like the JDM CTR.
Rear wing + body kit + wheels = instant CTR lol