Suspension Setups For Euro Owners With 20" Wheels

I'm calling on all those Euro owners with 20" wheels out there to share their suspensions setups with me. it seems there are a number of people on this Forum who run 20" wheels.

I have just ordered my 20" rims and now looking to get my suspension sorted out.

Having searched through this site there isn't alot of feedback on how certain suspension setups feel when riding on 20's.

I'm obviously not going for a hard ride for track or anything so i'm still going to be chasing as much comfort as i possibly can (and yes i realise it will be hard to achieve).

although...
Having talked with my uncle recently he had 20's come with his new holden ute and said that the coilover setup he got after leaving the dealer the other week was more comfortable than the factory setup he had originally.
He is going to get back to me on the coilovers he got fitted when hes down the Gold Coast next.

Also just reading the TEIN comfort sport thread has me curious as to how this would feel on the Euro with 20's at a good looking ride height. I'm not looking to drop the Euro on its guts, however i don't want it looking like an Ford F150 once the wheels are fitted

Any help is appreciated as i'll be back in Brisbane in the coming month to get this fitted to my car.

Cheers
Glen

pretty much any coilover will do the job if just for the looks and ride quality ,

It all depends how deep ur pockets go and if u wanna pay for brand names
and whoever convinces what to get

just put some 20's on my new euro yesterday... big problem for basicly any euro owner on 20's with coilovers. soon as you lower it to wheere the rim is at the top of the guard or even close to to it, the rim scrapes on the lower perch adjuster on the coilover on bigger bumps, driveways etc.

20's arnt for the feint hearted mate, my car is BUMPY, like you feel the bumps when you runover and patch of gravel its that bad. take a look at temptns car and you'll need a kidney belt lol

get somthing dual perch adjustable, you'll regret getting coilovers like tein SS that only go like 2" lower from the spring adjustment. if you decide its not low enough and have to spend the money again, totally not worth it imo.
p.s dont be soft just lay the car on its belly, there fat rims, there going to make your car alot slower, handle worse and even more bumpy so why not :D

hey siknis dude my car rides just like stock
even at this height im on

i think u should consider getting airbag suspension if ur going 20s.

raise it up for driving/practicality and lower for parking and show off sessions.

its not cheap ~$5000 but it sure is handy.

u can pm "atjo" - he sells the quality stuff that even japanese car modifiers recommend. airrunner.

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Originally Posted by TEMPTN

hey siknis dude my car rides just like stock
even at this height im on

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hey buddy :D im just curious how a car as low as yours (if it sits like it does in your avartar) can still ride like stock? when i went from 16s to 18s i could feel a massive difference, so yours being that low and on 20s?
ive since then lowered mine an inch and i can feel its stiffer/bumpier...

thanks

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Originally Posted by EUR003act

hey buddy :D im just curious how a car as low as yours (if it sits like it does in your avartar) can still ride like stock? when i went from 16s to 18s i could feel a massive difference, so yours being that low and on 20s?
ive since then lowered mine an inch and i can feel its stiffer/bumpier...

thanks

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custom made coilovers!
picture it like instead of shorten the spring like on normal coilver u shorten the shock and adjust the dampnr
oohh yes it does sit like in my avartar a;; day every day mayb even lower since that pic was taken im sure a few people on here can vouch 4 it

if u want airrunner i no sum1 in syd who can supply n fit

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Originally Posted by TEMPTN

hey siknis dude my car rides just like stock
even at this height im on

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i have a friend who also has 20inch rims (NKB ELITE 8) with TEIN Flex Coils. and yes ive driven it and feels like riding stock. with the right setup its not that hard to achieve.

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Originally Posted by TEMPTN

if u want airrunner i no sum1 in syd who can supply n fit

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oooo how much?? hey dude wats ur ground clearance btw?

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Originally Posted by Rein

i have a friend who also has 20inch rims (NKB ELITE 8) with TEIN Flex Coils. and yes ive driven it and feels like riding stock. with the right setup its not that hard to achieve.

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NUFF SAID!

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Originally Posted by Rein

oooo how much?? hey dude wats ur ground clearance btw?

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with 20's 6-7 cm off ground ( from the side skirt * prolly less with the undercarriage
pretty much i can get the car sitting on the chassie if i wanted to for shows i had it on the floor at the shows lst yr

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Originally Posted by TEMPTN

hey siknis dude my car rides just like stock
even at this height im on

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Temptn's car rides so nice a blind man won't know it's even lowered and slammed on 20's like a mfka.

;)

mines smoothing up a little more ive noticed last night, i think that the coilovers must be a little tight and the springs are still settling. altho the spring rates are quite high.

still dont know how it could be like stock if you have your car that low to the ground.

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Originally Posted by siknis

mines smoothing up a little more ive noticed last night, i think that the coilovers must be a little tight and the springs are still settling. altho the spring rates are quite high.

still dont know how it could be like stock if you have your car that low to the ground.

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i agree with you... ive driven in lots of slammed cars, and non of them were comfortable to drive... not to talk about handling! they were all like go carts! hit a bump and you slide

mayb i just got a good set up in my car
every1 thinks its bumpy untill they sit in the car and fall alseep
LOL
like i said mine was custom made to ensure that my car could b slammed and still have the ride of a stockie

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Originally Posted by TEMPTN

mayb i just got a good set up in my car
every1 thinks its bumpy untill they sit in the car and fall alseep
LOL
like i said mine was custom made to ensure that my car could b slammed and still have the ride of a stockie

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i gotta getz myself a ride in your baby lol

my car is slammed on the rim at the rear and just below the tyre on the front. got pedders coils on koni sport adjustable. soft setting with supper low seat setting rides like a dream. i got the ingells camber kit in the rear and dont have any worry with rubbing.

Thanks for everyones input. I have a better idea what i'm looking for now.

Will post up the final result in the coming months.

Cheers
Glen

What size Gap did owners with 20's first have between their tyre and wheel arch before getting their suspension lowered?

Also has anyone bothered to run camber kits or is it no great concern?

ive got a camber kit in mine but you wont need one if its only sport low height. only if you go any lower you will need one.

the gap is a far bit at the front, the rear would be bearable but the front is not at all

you actually have to lower the car if you put 20's on, otherwise you would just look stupid like a rollerskate.

no idea howmuch my car is lowerd in inches but with stockies on the rim sits at the top of the guard, maybe a little off it. with 20's on thats like a 1'' of tuck or so, that sits nice for my liking. it sits just high enough for driveways and bumps at that height, on the stocks thats another story, a big series of dips and bumps at high speed and you will find your sump guard getting a workout haha.

as for a camber kit, well yeah you can do that, but keep in mind that the more you stand the wheel up vertically, the closer your rim gets to the top of the guard through the suspension travel. i havnt even rolled my guards yet or trimmed the bumper mounts and i have about 3mm to spare, once rolled and modified i will fit my ingalls kit and squeeze a bit more life outa the tyres, thanks to pumped for that one :D

ok update time.

I finally got around to pruchasing my 20"s and coilovers.

rims are a 45 offset and 20 x 8.5

The coilovers were wound down but i can run my figers between the tyre and the guard.

The car rides like a dream. The H&R coilovers are really comfortable, nobody has noticed that the car has been changed when they ride in it.

Only problem i have now is the scrubbing that occurs when i hit bumps on the highway at 100km/h. The rims come right to the edge of the guard and are scrubbing on the plastic inner gaurd.

I'm thinkin i need to either buy another set of rims with a smaller width. maybe 7.5-8. Or get the suspension looked at again.

will post pics later this week

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Originally Posted by TOH07

ok update time.

I finally got around to pruchasing my 20"s and coilovers.

rims are a 45 offset and 20 x 8.5

The coilovers were wound down but i can run my figers between the tyre and the guard.

The car rides like a dream. The H&R coilovers are really comfortable, nobody has noticed that the car has been changed when they ride in it.

Only problem i have now is the scrubbing that occurs when i hit bumps on the highway at 100km/h. The rims come right to the edge of the guard and are scrubbing on the plastic inner gaurd.

I'm thinkin i need to either buy another set of rims with a smaller width. maybe 7.5-8. Or get the suspension looked at again.

will post pics later this week

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You might have to roll your guards.Try that before you go changing rim/tyre combos.

i would roll my guards but i'm not super keen on cutting away at the plastic gaurd on the inside of the wheels well...

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Originally Posted by TOH07

ok update time.

I finally got around to pruchasing my 20"s and coilovers.

rims are a 45 offset and 20 x 8.5

The coilovers were wound down but i can run my figers between the tyre and the guard.

The car rides like a dream. The H&R coilovers are really comfortable, nobody has noticed that the car has been changed when they ride in it.

Only problem i have now is the scrubbing that occurs when i hit bumps on the highway at 100km/h. The rims come right to the edge of the guard and are scrubbing on the plastic inner gaurd.

I'm thinkin i need to either buy another set of rims with a smaller width. maybe 7.5-8. Or get the suspension looked at again.

will post pics later this week

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you prob should downgrade to less wider wheels but even so you said the coilovers are comfy so i am assuming that they are considerably very soft which would possibly still cause the scrubbing when going on humps.

To have comfortable ride in otherwords your wheels might still have scrubbing as larger wheels are a rougher ride but in your case your coilovers are reducing the roughness.

Just wondering what tyre size are you running? if you are running 235/30/20 i dont think you need roll your guards <-- think it was covered.

considered a higher offset wheel or more negative camber?
but i'll say rolling ur guards is the way to go.

thanks for everyones comments/suggestions

i'm running a 35 profile tyre...And honestly i'd rather keep it that way.

I'm getting my whole setup looked at by a specialist at Fulcrum next week. Wil see what he has to say.

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Originally Posted by tyrepower_adelaide

my car is slammed on the rim at the rear and just below the tyre on the front. got pedders coils on koni sport adjustable. soft setting with supper low seat setting rides like a dream. i got the ingells camber kit in the rear and dont have any worry with rubbing.

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hey, i've just got 20" and ingalls rear camber kit fitted yesterday :D

but i've got a problem with the rear wheels rubbing the guards. so i rolled the guards, wheel aligned it with 0.5 rear camber. but it still rubs.

i think its because of the rear wheels width.. its 20x9

any suggestions?? need help quite urgently...

thanks

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Originally Posted by dom.303

hey, i've just got 20" and ingalls rear camber kit fitted yesterday :D

but i've got a problem with the rear wheels rubbing the guards. so i rolled the guards, wheel aligned it with 0.5 rear camber. but it still rubs.

i think its because of the rear wheels width.. its 20x9

any suggestions?? need help quite urgently...

thanks

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Your rear wheel rim width is too wide!

too big and too wide lol

-0.5 camber is nothing. the cl9 comes stock with -1deg
with that setup u may wanna try -2deg but i wouldn't recommend any more negative than that unless u wanna change tyres every month lol

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Originally Posted by TOH07

thanks for everyones comments/suggestions

i'm running a 35 profile tyre...And honestly i'd rather keep it that way.

I'm getting my whole setup looked at by a specialist at Fulcrum next week. Wil see what he has to say.

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There lies your problam, the 35 profile is miles to big for the euro, I tried a 35 profile on my euro nothing but rubbing. Go down to a 30 profile and it will fix all issues

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Originally Posted by tyrepower_adelaide

There lies your problam, the 35 profile is miles to big for the euro, I tried a 35 profile on my euro nothing but rubbing. Go down to a 30 profile and it will fix all issues

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yeah i did consider it but figured the 35 profile was more comfortable ride with the extra rubber...

will look into it when after it gets back from the suspension place

cheers

yeh as i said before 30 is the max you can without rolling your guards if you stick with 35 you will need roll them.

Ok so i'm going to stick with the 35 profile for now (until they need replacing) as its too much hassle to seel swap etc.

Also I'm not on alot of roads where bottoming out is a problem so will just bare with it.

My car is booked in to get the coilovers fixed nexted week so i'm hoping it makes a slight difference.

will post up pics next week...i promise, just havn't been home with the car.

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Originally Posted by TOH07

Ok so i'm going to stick with the 35 profile for now (until they need replacing) as its too much hassle to seel swap etc.

Also I'm not on alot of roads where bottoming out is a problem so will just bare with it.

My car is booked in to get the coilovers fixed nexted week so i'm hoping it makes a slight difference.

will post up pics next week...i promise, just havn't been home with the car.

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if your going comfort sport or superstreet they may be more comfy.
What are you sticking in the car?
and make a slight difference with your camber? not unless you raise it back up a bit.

it already has a set of H&R coilovers in it. I'm just taking it back to the suspension place to get rid of a knocking noise. The H&R coils are reall nice, maybe a bit soft and thats why it travels to much leading to it scraping the plastic gaurd.

At the moment the car isn't riding super low. There is prob 2cm or more between the tyre and wheel arch.

But i will deffinately look into adjusting the camber, it might just be enough to stop that occasional scuffing

will keep you posted

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Originally Posted by TOH07

it already has a set of H&R coilovers in it. I'm just taking it back to the suspension place to get rid of a knocking noise. The H&R coils are reall nice, maybe a bit soft and thats why it travels to much leading to it scraping the plastic gaurd.

At the moment the car isn't riding super low. There is prob 2cm or more between the tyre and wheel arch.

But i will deffinately look into adjusting the camber, it might just be enough to stop that occasional scuffing

will keep you posted

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yeh think your problem is the H&R cause it's too soft.
hope they can fix the problem without you having to lower your profile or too much camber.

I run tein super comforts with my 20's and i can;t feel the difference from original. May even feel better cause of no body roll around corners

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Originally Posted by bar70

I run tein super comforts with my 20's and i can;t feel the difference from original. May even feel better cause of no body roll around corners

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do you scrub?
how many finger gaps you got?
wished my car was as comfy as stock again.

what is the legal limit from the ground?

i heard it's around 3 inchs... just enough for a can to be rolled underneath

Last time i checked the legal limit in QLD is 100mm

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Originally Posted by xsite85

what is the legal limit from the ground?

i heard it's around 3 inchs... just enough for a can to be rolled underneath

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may differ from state to state but should be 100mm from the lowest part of your car.

only scrubs on front going around tight corners;
Havn't rolled any guards but
Got coilovers nearly all the way down