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It's an unfortunate consequence of the demographic of the average Civic buyer that has access to the internet...yoofs as some would call it.

love the Porsche RS-like straps for the door handles and the clever mounting for the harnesses - fixed back fronts with usable rear seats too.

Stickers and tail lights looks a bit dodgy though!
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v. interesting

I like to see all these little technical details which culminates in such a great package.

Now if only Honda Aus would hurry up and bring the thing over!.

A google translation of one of the paragraphs;

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In that sense, the European version of the Type R is the Japanese version than the fact of the matter is...

Not sure whether this has been posted before...

http://www.gtchannel.com/content.php?cid=10975

Was surprised by how the FD2R didn't concede the straight line battle with the S2K. Would have...

Now the TOVers are ramping up a campaign as well;

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=717086

If the States get a decent allocation (which I assume Honda U.S would if it gets off the...

Ken says;

Me: “The CTR is targeted at the sophisticated market"

Quite amusing. If he's representative of the type of sophisticated market that find the FN2R appealling then Honda marketing and...

Great find!

Can someone with an understanding of Japanese interpret some of the points he makes?

Another interesting thing about the TOV article was Honda R&D's decision making in Japan being...

A very interesting article about what has been going on in Malaysia to get their FD2R;

http://asia.vtec.net/Reviews/8GCivicRLaunch/index.html

Some points of interest;

- The provision for the...

Here's a PDF of the EVO article;

http://www.litchfieldimports.co.uk/images/press/Civic_Evo.pdf

It actually contains a sidebar comparing the FD2R to the DC2R not on the EVO website's version.

I think the thoughts washing around in the undercurrent may be that we're all interested to see that those 1200 FN2Rs will get moved along asap as (IIRC from a post *somewhere*), the FD2R won't be...

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/209845/honda_civic.html

OK, if, on the point of measuring "fast"-ness, paying 60K for a Mugen RR is not beyond the bounds of most people's thinking.

Case in point : just came across this vid featuring EVO, STi, Nismo...

I reckon that, in the short term, Honda have satisfied what they think to be a need to shift product, and that in the short term, people will be wowed by the "wow" factor of something new. BUT,...

That implies that the fastest is the "best"...a bit simplistic ain't it?

I agree with you, in fact, I had drafted an earlier reply along the same lines as what you have said but decided not to post it and perpetuate the discussion because, if I take a step back and weigh...

I went for a test drive of the Evo 9 off the back of a few positive reviews I read and was quite prepared to seal a deal if it was a better driver's car than the DC2R.

I ended up sticking with...

smoking? petrol sniffing :)

seriously, if you ever spend much time trying to balance on the tightrope between grip and slip, a proper Type R (or something like a RR cut from the same cloth) is a...

Nurburgring = petrolhead heaven. Seriously, that place has magic wafting around in the air!

BTW, the FD2R has undergone development at the Nurburgring (if you believe what other ppl have written)...

60K - Mugen RR

BTW, I'd be surprised if a standard R34 GT-R (as in the 99-01 cars now selling for $60k here) is a sub 8 minute Nurburgring car (maybe a later Nur-spec or Z-tune is). Even the much...

I'm confused. You edited my quote to change my reference to the FD2R to be FN2R in your post. btw, what makes you think that an FWD is largely inferior to a 4WD car, and not worthy of commanding a...

I don't subscribe to the view that because the EVO and STi are (probably) faster, that they are actually better and a step above the FD2R or Mugen RR.

They are different, but it's not a given that...

Yeah, they are not that fast in absolute terms. But they do have unique handling attributes and are brilliant fun. Yes, I have driven one in anger!.

Hulla, thanks for the link

Funnily enough, I was thinking about the Clio V6 when someone else mentioned about relating the cost of a car to where the mainstream model is placed in the product line-up (in this case, on the...

yeah, on the vid, where the tyre was shown without the show shine/releasing agent(?) all over it, there is a clear difference in the tone of the rubber on the outer, less treaded edge as opposed to...