K24A3 vs. K20A cams

[TheSaint]

old thread - but the best that a search came up with

does anyone know if the 2006+ Euro has the better intake cam like the US TSX does?

do our australian CL9 euro's have the same cam specs from 2003-2005 and then the better intake cam from 2006+

basic question is would the AUDM 2006+ or USDM 2006+ euro/tsx intake cam be a good upgrade for a 2004 model 6mt euro (K24a3)
(would be installed along with toda 40deg VTC)

[Vvvtec]

Afaik, no, we didnt get the bigger cam.

Get yourself an 08+ TSX cam.

K20a.org is your friend with these types of questions.

[TheSaint]

cheers for the quick info =)

does the 08+ intake cam and 40deg VTC require engine management to run?

i was about to order a flashpro from hondata but realised they dont work on the older TSX - do we have the same problem with the older euro's?

is there any alternative engine management systems that people are using with their K24's?

[Benson]

What year euro do you have?

[TheSaint]

mine is a 2004 CL9 6-spd manual

starting to get conflicting info - some people saying the 2008 is the CU2 and the cam doesnt fit
some people saying our 2006+ CL9 has the better cam - some people saying in australia - it doesnt

also getting alot of australian feedback saying not to bother without engine management and that theres no way to keep cruise and VSA with it
yet the yanks say its still worth the gain - but management will give the maximum potential (same with any engine mod really)

trying to put together a plan of attack for the euro - so far i only have comptech icebox
but i want to get comptech/toda etc headers, a good quality cat, the better intake cam, toda or milled 40deg VTC and eventually engine management
keeping the OEM exhaust - only other mods are FN2 Type-R 18" wheels and ill be getting Eibach Pro springs as well - keeping it fairly simple and clean =)

[Benson]

mine is a 2004 CL9 6-spd manual

starting to get conflicting info - some people saying the 2008 is the CU2 and the cam doesnt fit
some people saying our 2006+ CL9 has the better cam - some people saying in australia - it doesnt

also getting alot of australian feedback saying not to bother without engine management and that theres no way to keep cruise and VSA with it
yet the yanks say its still worth the gain - but management will give the maximum potential (same with any engine mod really)

trying to put together a plan of attack for the euro - so far i only have comptech icebox
but i want to get comptech/toda etc headers, a good quality cat, the better intake cam, toda or milled 40deg VTC and eventually engine management
keeping the OEM exhaust - only other mods are FN2 Type-R 18" wheels and ill be getting Eibach Pro springs as well - keeping it fairly simple and clean =)

Ive done 2 Honda euro accord now with the Hondata Flashpro. One was an 04 and 07 manual. Both required 07-08 TSX ECU upgrade, CAN bus adaptor and Hondata Flashpro. All function works perfectly fine. I have a complete package in stock. Email me on benny@bypracing.com for futher details

Here is what i recommend base on what i've put on fellow Euro customers -
- PLM Header 4-2-1 for TSX
- RBC intake manifold
- J35 65mm Throttle body DBW
- CAI
- 50vtc gear
- Upgraded mid pipe with high flow CAT
- Hondata Flashpro

Expect 145-150kw at the wheels once tuned properly

[Benson]

With regards to OEM cam upgrade, i wouldnt bother. Just leave it and work on the bolton mods. If you want more power after all the bolt-ons, go with a stage 2 camshaft upgrade and that will give you another 10kw across the powerband. Other mods with the stage 2 camshatfts is recommended to make it work all together

[TheSaint]

i wouldnt use a 50deg VTC if you paid me to - i wouldnt trust the ECU to hold it back from the 45+ line
TODA 40deg or a machined stock unit would be alot safer

the cam spec on the 2006+ intake cam is one of the best setup cams that honda has ever produced
im very keen to build around it and see what kind of results i get
http://www.hondatuningmagazine.com/t...ower_struggle/

i just have to make sure i get the right one

i also wouldnt use a CAI on this car/engine
i really like the results from the comptech icebox as seen here and felt on my car from switching between different intakes:
http://www.heeltoeauto.com/tech-arti...acura-tsx.html

[Vvvtec]

lol @ 50deg gear comment

[Chr1s]

With regards to OEM cam upgrade, i wouldnt bother. Just leave it and work on the bolton mods. If you want more power after all the bolt-ons, go with a stage 2 camshaft upgrade and that will give you another 10kw across the powerband. Other mods with the stage 2 camshatfts is recommended to make it work all together

^ this.

I've mixed and matched OEM cams in the past on my K24 and the results were not worth the trouble.

[TheSaint]

lol @ 50deg gear comment

why?

why would i want to use a 50deg RSX VTC when theres a chance of valve kiss
its just as much trouble and effort to use a toda unit or make your own
sure some people use them and use engine management to limit it
but its still not a 100% sure bet

healthy debate is good

chr1s - any more details on what cams you used and what results you got?
which engine was it? pre-facelift K24a3?

getting very black and white information from american forums vs australian forums
the USDM K24a2 isnt that much different to the AUDM K24a3 is it?

[Benson]

Havent had any issue with using brand new 50VTC gear with big cams and limiting it to 35-40vtc