Highend Tri-Y vs Hytech replica Tri-Y

[aaronng]

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1463564

Too bad they didn't throw in a traditional 1-4 2-3 header into the mix.

[ZeForce]

Too bad they didn't throw in a traditional 1-4 2-3 header into the mix.

True, but I have seen a few other header tests where the hytech performs better than the Toda header which is one of the best traditional 1-4 2-3 pairing

Speaking of which......

http://g2ic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=184246

[Slaz]

True, but I have seen a few other header tests where the hytech performs better than the Toda header which is one of the best traditional 1-4 2-3 pairing

Mainly on bigger engines will you see a replica out do a toda or the toda copy as in this thread but as per a few engines getting round, still make good usable power on bigger engines, replica's are bang for buck, you cant compare a mass produced item to compete to a custom made to suit your set-up, got to ask yourself, is the rest of the engine good enough to warrent spending the money and the wait involved with a custom.

[pwr2w8]

Rage headers are the same production headers as Buddy club ones.

How do you know this, is it a true statement or just assuming.

[ZeForce]

How do you know this, is it a true statement or just assuming.

They are the exact same piece, just rebranded and sold for a few dollars more... my header is rage

[TODA AU]

Mainly on bigger engines will you see a replica out do a toda

To date, this is an internet myth.
Where are these "Bigger Engines" with replica headers that punch out these big numbers?
Anyone....
Anyone....
LOL...

Now though I prefer our TODA product over the leading American products,
It has to be said, the genuine Hytech headers really are an exellent product and the same can be said for the headers produced by SSR.
These guys know their shit & produce top shelf parts.

Then there are these header clones or coppies...
In my experience, they don't live up to the names they pretend to copy.
They're just not all that at all...
If you're on a turd skinner's budget, sure... There's value there.
If you're after the best... Save up & buy it.

[ZeForce]

To date, this is an internet myth.
Where are these "Bigger Engines" with replica headers that punch out these big numbers?
Anyone....
Anyone....
LOL...

Now though I prefer our TODA product over the leading American products,
It has to be said, the genuine Hytech headers really are an exellent product and the same can be said for the headers produced by SSR.
These guys know their shit & produce top shelf parts.

Then there are these header clones or coppies...
In my experience, they don't live up to the names they pretend to copy.
They're just not all that at all...
If you're on a turd skinner's budget, sure... There's value there.
If you're after the best... Save up & buy it.

Im not knocking the Toda header at all, it is one of the best off the shelf headers you can get. I would actually prefer one over my "hytech production header" simply for the better ground clearance, regardless of any power gains/losses. But in my opinion $1400 is just a ridiculous amount to spend on a header for a street engine. I paid less than AU$700 for my rage/hytech header, no fitment issues and the quality was awesome. Moreover, I seriously doubt there would be very much difference in performance compared to a Toda header and even if there was I dont think it would be noticeable enough on the butt dyno to justify spending twice as much.

Just my 2c worth

[pwr2w8]

Im not knocking the Toda header at all, it is one of the best off the shelf headers you can get. I would actually prefer one over my "hytech production header" simply for the better ground clearance, regardless of any power gains/losses. But in my opinion $1400 is just a ridiculous amount to spend on a header for a street engine. I paid less than AU$700 for my rage/hytech header, no fitment issues and the quality was awesome. Moreover, I seriously doubt there would be very much difference in performance compared to a Toda header and even if there was I dont think it would be noticeable enough on the butt dyno to justify spending twice as much.

Just my 2c worth

Well said, ill have to agree with ZeForce, is there any proof toda headers make more power than these replica's

[fatboyz39]

Toda headers work great on a b16a, well of the best headers for b16a. Anything bigger like 1.8L and 2.0L the hytech tri-y headers out performs it.

[TODA AU]

Im not knocking the Toda header at all, it is one of the best off the shelf headers you can get. I would actually prefer one over my "hytech production header" simply for the better ground clearance, regardless of any power gains/losses. But in my opinion $1400 is just a ridiculous amount to spend on a header for a street engine. I paid less than AU$700 for my rage/hytech header, no fitment issues and the quality was awesome. Moreover, I seriously doubt there would be very much difference in performance compared to a Toda header and even if there was I dont think it would be noticeable enough on the butt dyno to justify spending twice as much.

Just my 2c worth

I don't think we’re not on the same page here,
The thread is about unconventional interference headers.
I merely stated I prefer the TODA product. But I didn’t expand further than that.

The point I was making was that these production or knock-off headers they are not as good as the real deal they pretend to imitate.
This is particularly so when capacity, compression & cams are brought into the mix.
If you really want a really good unconventional interference header…
Buy the SSR or Hytech custom product.
The reason they works well is not just the pipe size & lengths.
It’s the attention to detail in the stepped primaries.
Without functioning stepped primaries, this design just falls down.
(aka cheap knock-offs)

As for whether you’d notice the difference swapping to a TODA header,
Actually, I know you would… & it’s the part throttle power & response you’d notice the most.
But this is digressing & off topic.

As for my stance on the performance of these “real” headers…
This isn’t a half baked opinion that I just made up,
It is an opinion is based on tuning many, many cars with loads of different combinations with every header under the sun over many years.
& flying in the face of internet myth, I can state as fact, of all of the larger B-series engines I’ve seen, the best performing ones have used TODA, SSR or Hytech headers.
To date, I’m yet to see a copy or replica header that impresses.
This is in relation to engines of 1800cc & larger, up to say 2150cc.
Our Super Sprint EG is 1 good example.
In any case, regardless of what I say, the copy headers will still flood the market,
People will still buy & use them.
I feel it really aught to be clarified though, if you spend a little more on the real thing…
It is actually worth it.

As a side note, it’s interesting to notice both SSR & Hytech use conventional (mathematically correct) interference headers for the other engine types they support.

[ZeForce]

As for whether you’d notice the difference swapping to a TODA header,
Actually, I know you would… & it’s the part throttle power & response you’d notice the most.
But this is digressing & off topic.

Of course you're gonna say that, it would hurt sales if you agreed with me....

But if you have any spare Toda headers lying around and are willing to send them to me for free, Im willing to put your claim to the test

[TODA AU]

Of course you're gonna say that, it would hurt sales if you agreed with me....

But if you have any spare Toda headers lying around and are willing to send them to me for free, Im willing to put your claim to the test

Actually you said you doubt that there would be much difference...
This would indicate an opinon based on a guess...
From my experience, I could confirm otherwise,
So, you can take that as advise or not...

As for spare headers to send to you for free so you can test them...
LOL... No, when they stop working, they'll stop selling.