A-Pillar gauge mounting?

[Oxer]

every post in this thread is ridiculous.

Vic roads website does not have every single road/vehicle rule/law on their website, nor does victoria police.

A cop can defect and fine you for whatever they see fit, If you have an engineers they can still defect you, and if your car has been modified after the engineers cert (Dont laugh, it has been done) you still have to pay the fines given.

Grozzo, a wise man once told me, never trust someone who says "trust me". Loosing points and suspended licences have nothing to do with defects, as you dont loose points for them, so for you to say that you have experience dealing with cops, under the circumstances of a defect is meaningless.


To everyone else, If you are instaling something that didnt come with the car as it was from factory, You can be defected. If you dont want to deal with the fines, or the headaches, then dont modify your car. Simple.


PS. Gauges, on a mildly worked street car? Pffft.

[honda_zivic]

wat watajk said is tru, just dont drive it like u stole it u be aight. i drove my car daily for 3yrs with bonnet gauges, slam on 19s an got pulled over by cops like 3 times a week,and most of them didnt give a shit about the mods, their just doing their regular checkup but some do give me a warning saying u must removed it asap, and i just say yea sure. and then u got the dickheads cops just pining u 4 anything.

[SnowWhiteLude]

so basically what you're saying is, it's not a law but it's illegal?

i lol'd.

Sounds like something from The Castle!

i dont get u, its the same as bonnet scoop regs.

Bonnet scoop / external mount gauges are set out clearly - these are to ensure you can see over the bonnet and to ensure whatever is there doesnt pose a danger incase you hit someone. I cant understand why those factors (apart from visibility from INSIDE the cabin) would apply, but I can honestly believe thats what they said to you.

every post in this thread is ridiculous. Vic roads website does not have every single road/vehicle rule/law on their website, nor does victoria police.
PS. Gauges, on a mildly worked street car? Pffft.

Having gauges on a car that isn't fully sik isn't to your liking Oxer? Is there an ADR stating the HP/KWs one needs to be pushing in order to make gauges required? Perhaps you could start a facebook group to outlaw over-sized rear spoilers on FWD Honda's as they add little to performance too! I think this is more of an abomination to mankind than a volt/oil pressure/AFR gauge inside my cabin, thanks for letting me know your view though - each to their own I guess.

As for the rules not being on the website - I guess that was the main reason to start the thread - as I understood people had been defected and thought MAYBE someone knew where the actual LAW/RULE was which I couldn't locate, so I could read it and find out what the the law was surrounding having gauges - that would make sense wouldn't it?

Seriously I understand cops can, will, and no doubt continue to defect cars for what seems like whatever they like. Unfortunately I am a law student, and I understand that without an action actually being able to be proven illegal by citing the relevant legislation and that my actions broke those rules/laws, unfortunately, the charges/defects cant be proven - so please don't bother responding "cops can just defect ya' cause they can braahhhhh, and 'cause jimmy and my cousins and shit had it happen, and 'cause I just know k just trust me!" - that shit is useless. I am trying to understand what the law is and what are the parameters it sets out. Clearly no one knows and this was undoubtedly the wrong place to ask such a simple friggin question.

Seriously this thread is a prime example why I don't post on OzHonda much at all.

[stndrd]

you need to realise first that ADR's are designed primarily for brand new cars being sold on the market and then each state and territory has their own set of rules from there.

in victoria you can get away with having gauges on your A-pillar provided that the gauge itself when sitting in the drivers seat, doest not obstruct field of vision. i run two drift digital gauges in drift cups on my A-pillar and have been pulled over several times with them and have never been told off for them. i went thru the vicroads guide to modifications and it does not state anything about A-pillar gauges (there is a whole section on bonnet mounted gauges but im not going there)

with these stories you hear of people getting oil all over them when they are driving, it's because they didn't have all their weetbix that morning and decided to put a mechanical guage in the cabin (which is FULLY ILLEGAL BRO)

in regards to engineers certificate, it is like a rwc, it only last for 28 days so thats why you would have been defected by mr plod.

and if you are going to start arguing about defect/rwc laws and put a nissan in the same sentance, you have already made a mistake. nissan's are easy targets for the police because they all get told what to go after on nissans (along with most of the turbo cars that are used for slideways action)

[mugen_ctr]

you need to realise first that ADR's are designed primarily for brand new cars being sold on the market and then each state and territory has their own set of rules from there.

in victoria you can get away with having gauges on your A-pillar provided that the gauge itself when sitting in the drivers seat, doest not obstruct field of vision. i run two drift digital gauges in drift cups on my A-pillar and have been pulled over several times with them and have never been told off for them. i went thru the vicroads guide to modifications and it does not state anything about A-pillar gauges (there is a whole section on bonnet mounted gauges but im not going there)

with these stories you hear of people getting oil all over them when they are driving, it's because they didn't have all their weetbix that morning and decided to put a mechanical guage in the cabin (which is FULLY ILLEGAL BRO)

in regards to engineers certificate, it is like a rwc, it only last for 28 days so thats why you would have been defected by mr plod.

and if you are going to start arguing about defect/rwc laws and put a nissan in the same sentance, you have already made a mistake. nissan's are easy targets for the police because they all get told what to go after on nissans (along with most of the turbo cars that are used for slideways action)

And they know hondas are too slow to pull away so they just dont bother with em LOL...

The only reason u would run mech gauge is if u run a old skool muscle or a very simple car mechanical vehicle, simple as that! I laugh at those who run gauges on the bonnet, do they even know the reason as to gauges on the bonnet? Tossers....

[honda_zivic]

i used to hav em on bonnet, took it off cause too many holden ****s started copying me. and mounted them on pillar instead.

dont know y people hate gauges, there good for monitoring ur engine condition, and stock gauges arent that great and they tend to bail sooner or later.

[mugen_ctr]

theres a good reason as to gauges on bonnet.... reason being is that back in the old days, before electrical gauges, having oil pressure run in cabin is very dangerous, so the only solution was to run them on the outside, and on the bonnet as it was the only place where its visible to the driver, and getting a oil pressure/temp signal was much easier than say tryna run it in cabin

[honda_zivic]

yep thats exactly y i ran em external instead of inside the cabin. but i have sold em gauges and bought electrics.

[WATAJK]

Oxer - question LOL have i met you before ?? Cause im wondering how you know my name LOL!!
I can understand where your coming from and ill take that on board and say your 100% correct with the matter that i don't have the experience when i comes to dealing with defects.
I understand you would as i've heard of your civic & stories with the "men in blue", i feel for ya, i really do.

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I run Oil Pressue & Temp gauges for the sole reason to monitor these when doing spirited driving through hills etc or when i attend the track (which i will do hopefully this year), i don't have them for bloody show.
As i said, you wanna run them, run them electronically so you avoid a MAJOR defect and 2 just don't drive like a dick seriously.
Enough said.

[stevo716]

sry to go off topic a lil
but this is wat i did,

i personally dont like the A pillar mounting, 1 i always smack my hand on it somehow, and 2, looks shit imo
just to add mine rnt for show either, u like to know wats going when ur tracking a car, diff enviroment
plus i can hide mine close the glovebox hehe(i got 2 glove boxes btw
and i can also see them very clearly from drivers seat

[Oxer]

Having gauges on a car that isn't fully sik isn't to your liking Oxer? Is there an ADR stating the HP/KWs one needs to be pushing in order to make gauges required? Perhaps you could start a facebook group to outlaw over-sized rear spoilers on FWD Honda's as they add little to performance too! I think this is more of an abomination to mankind than a volt/oil pressure/AFR gauge inside my cabin, thanks for letting me know your view though - each to their own I guess.

As for the rules not being on the website - I guess that was the main reason to start the thread - as I understood people had been defected and thought MAYBE someone knew where the actual LAW/RULE was which I couldn't locate, so I could read it and find out what the the law was surrounding having gauges - that would make sense wouldn't it?

Seriously I understand cops can, will, and no doubt continue to defect cars for what seems like whatever they like. Unfortunately I am a law student, and I understand that without an action actually being able to be proven illegal by citing the relevant legislation and that my actions broke those rules/laws, unfortunately, the charges/defects cant be proven - so please don't bother responding "cops can just defect ya' cause they can braahhhhh, and 'cause jimmy and my cousins and shit had it happen, and 'cause I just know k just trust me!" - that shit is useless. I am trying to understand what the law is and what are the parameters it sets out. Clearly no one knows and this was undoubtedly the wrong place to ask such a simple friggin question.

Seriously this thread is a prime example why I don't post on OzHonda much at all.

Dude, this is Ozhonda, not Ozroadlaws.com. There are very few people that actually know where to find laws, let alone know them. Hell I havent even bothered looking into it because to be honest, I pay the fines and clear the defect, then do it all over again. Its part of the game.

If you study law, then you should have the resources to be able to find the information you are after, rather then reffering to a silly car forum I suggest you use said resources.

I dont have facebook, but feel free to start whatever group you feel the need to. The way I see it, unless you are running full forged internals and itb's/forced induction, are making huge amounts of power and have spent tens of thousands under the bonnet, you dont need to know what your oil pressure is, or how many volts are running through your electronics. Feel free to comment on how a car doesnt have to be low or have large wheels Pretty sure Ill keep doing what Im doing and you will keep doing what you are doing.

Im pretty sure there is a clause somewhere along the lines where a member of the police force can defect a vehicle if they are uncertain on the roadworthyness of the vehicle as they are not qualified, trained mechanics, and merely read what they are supposed to look for in a hand book. So YES, Cops can defect you for anything, that they see unfit.

in regards to engineers certificate, it is like a rwc, it only last for 28 days so thats why you would have been defected by mr plod.

You have 28 days to register the certificate with vicroads, but once you have, it applies to your vehicle for the rest of its existence, unless you further modify the vehicle, which renders the certificate invalid, in which case you will need to re-engineer your car.

Its not like a RWC.

Oxer - question LOL have i met you before ?? Cause im wondering how you know my name LOL!!
I can understand where your coming from and ill take that on board and say your 100% correct with the matter that i don't have the experience when i comes to dealing with defects.
I understand you would as i've heard of your civic & stories with the "men in blue", i feel for ya, i really do.

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I run Oil Pressue & Temp gauges for the sole reason to monitor these when doing spirited driving through hills etc or when i attend the track (which i will do hopefully this year), i don't have them for bloody show.
As i said, you wanna run them, run them electronically so you avoid a MAJOR defect and 2 just don't drive like a dick seriously.
Enough said.

We havent actually spoken before, but you have been 'pointed' out to me at a meet. I have dealt with many engineers. I have also delt with many forms of authority, whether it be vicroads patrol, TMU, or just an average cop. They will make up anything to give you a defect, I have argued with a cop about rubber in rear wheel arches of my legend before, thinking I had been doing burnouts. They look under the bonnet and laterally positioned engine, and naturally assume.

As for gauges, its like I said above, but thats just a personal opinion, so if it offends anyone its their problem. Common sense says save money for mods that accumulate power first, bother with things like management when you're at the point of no return (>$10000 under the bonnet).



As said above, Cops can defect you for whatever they feel they can, and only if you choose to waste your time in court disputing it can you perhaps prove them wrong. But then you loose a day in court and possibly face more fines, its far easier to just clear the shit and be done with it.

[WATAJK]

We havent actually spoken before, but you have been 'pointed' out to me at a meet. I have dealt with many engineers. I have also delt with many forms of authority, whether it be vicroads patrol, TMU, or just an average cop. They will make up anything to give you a defect, I have argued with a cop about rubber in rear wheel arches of my legend before, thinking I had been doing burnouts. They look under the bonnet and laterally positioned engine, and naturally assume.

As for gauges, its like I said above, but thats just a personal opinion, so if it offends anyone its their problem. Common sense says save money for mods that accumulate power first, bother with things like management when you're at the point of no return (>$10000 under the bonnet).



As said above, Cops can defect you for whatever they feel they can, and only if you choose to waste your time in court disputing it can you perhaps prove them wrong. But then you loose a day in court and possibly face more fines, its far easier to just clear the shit and be done with it.

I hate when someone has seen me and i don't know them lol.
Fair enough Oxer, i completely agree with you.
Obviously you have enough experience behind you (seriously) lol.
Would like to meet ya at the next meet, be good to have a chat

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