Removing power steering, manual rack needed?

[string]

You have to fully disassemble the rack to get to the piston and when you do you truly have a manual rack. Ben's method can be done without removing the rack from the car.

Have you felt the steering of a PS deleted 90-01 Honda before? For a track car, honestly, it's going to suck balls. You'll be worn out after one hot lap.

[dorikin]

The only part inside the rack that could be considered to be lubricated by the power steering fluid is the piston o-ring inside the power cylinder. If you are converting to manual this no longer serves any purpose and can be removed along with the valves inside the valve body. Remove this o-ring and the breather becomes redundant: there is nothing to cause internal pressure and have it affect your steering feel. The breather+fluid setup's only gain is that it might preserve that o-ring in the event that you both (a) don't remove it to begin with because (b) you want to return to power steering in the future.

Hey mate I'm going to do this to a spare steering rack I have but just wanna make sure I know which parts to remove.

"Piston O-ring inside the power cylinder" - Is this the O-ring pictured next to the Cylinder Housing?



"Valves inside Valve body" - Do I remove the Cut-off Valve and 4-way Control Valve in this diagram?



Thanks

[vtecing]

You have to fully disassemble the rack to get to the piston and when you do you truly have a manual rack. Ben's method can be done without removing the rack from the car.

Have you felt the steering of a PS deleted 90-01 Honda before? For a track car, honestly, it's going to suck balls. You'll be worn out after one hot lap.

why would it be any different from any other car with no p/s? Once you get some momentum it should be alright shouldnt it.

[crobaa]

I would have imagined it would only be crap to drive when dry steering or parking?

[string]

I concede that it depends heavily on your driving style and how you've got the car setup. It does get easier once you're moving but it's still not quite the same. You lose a lot of position control. It's different from "other" non-PS cars because they usually have a different steering ratio to compensate (or are RWD...). How many Honda track cars do you know of that don't have power steering? Ask around!

It should be said that by doing this, instead of the majority of the steering force being applied to the rack via the piston in the power cylinder, it's applied to the rack via the pinion gear. It might wear out faster... who knows. YMMV.

Dorikin: It's the little guy labeled "PISTON SEAL RING" to the left of the rack itself which is unsurprisingly labeled "STEERING RACK".

[nd55]

> I would have imagined it would only be crap to drive when dry steering or parking?

1) Don't drain the fluid!

2) Yes, parking is a B$%^H. Don't expect other members of the family to be happy with this.

3) Otherwise I quite like it. (Daily, street driven)

4) Manual racks use a different cross member, neither of which were imported to Oz.

[crobaa]

So just keep the rack stock and bypass the pump to the tank?

[bennjamin]

So just keep the rack stock and bypass the pump to the tank?

read this thread from the beginning



BTW guys.....let it be known that removing power steering is for showing off only. Yes - there is weight reduction to be had too - but it really isnt an advantage in any way.
I had this setup on a previous EG civic , for the time it suited - liked talking about it with mates etc. Did alright at the racetrack too. Engine bay looked cool and empty. But You get over it !

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1) Don't drain the fluid!

Why not?

[crobaa]

There's multiple ways of removing power steering in this thread. On another note is it ok to keep stock ps set up
But relocate the tank elsewhere (down low), or does gravity play a part in it being mounted where it is?

[u mad?]

Why not?

yes why not?

if i don't intend to put the power steering in in the future and don't give a flying **** about the pump (think it was on its way out anyway hence why i took the belt off in the first place) will it be fine to drain it? maybe just keep a little bit left in there for lubrication?

anyone?

[u mad?]

yes why not?

if i don't intend to put the power steering in in the future and don't give a flying **** about the pump (think it was on its way out anyway hence why i took the belt off in the first place) will it be fine to drain it? maybe just keep a little bit left in there for lubrication?

anyone?

bump.