cam shafts... stock or aftermarket??? TODA?

[philipminge]

thanks mate

[AusS2000]

What kind of suitable gains are worthwhile for a upgrade? 1800 for headers and say it does gain 5kw midrange and 2-3kw up top worthwhile upgrade?

Now we're getting back to my original question about the statement mentioning 'decent gains'.

[philipminge]

yeh for 4kw i guess its not worth it.... but as a test i wanted to see the difference..
would be interesting to see..... no?

[AusS2000]

Absolutely. And I applaud INT's offer of the headers on a sale or return basis and your offer to do back to back tests. That is quite an outlay in terms of time and money from both parties to obtain a real world picture of what you get and what you pay.

[ALPS]

or you can clear the grey cloud of gain or no gain and go FI lol

[AusS2000]

FI is not for everyone. Some call them NA purists, others call them girls.

[ALPS]

i understand the want to stay NA and be purist.. but i don't understand the want to blow away money on mods that alter the way the engine runs NA and just add pointless extra stress on the motor for a couple more HP.. it runs fine as it is stock.. you're alot better off blowing away that money on different mods that actually make a big difference.. weight reduction - be it cf body parts, remove the soft top, lighter wheels, lighter seats etc.. / brakes - braided lines, better pads, better rotors, BBK if you like, better airflow to cool brakes. / suspension - good coils, adjustable arms / rigidity - sway bars, braces. / aero dynamics and the list goes on. these sort of mods would make heaps more noticeable changes... until you say F*&k it! now im going FI..

[ludecrs]

He's just saying too much talk, not enough erm dyno sheets and stuff

Yep!

Not disagreeing here, TODA JAPAN make brillant products.

Give me a borrowed set of toda headers to test back to back on a S2000, lets see how good they are against factory item.

I did the comparision 5yrs ago.
I posted a thread, a graph from back 2 back and all.

Result was 5whp gain across the board with a set of Toda headers.

[ludecrs]

Proof

[philipminge]

Yeh thats not that much gain... I wonder what my hks would pull...
Alps I have done a shit load to my car... Even as far as pressing out every bush and replacing them with spoon bushes.
Bit excessive but whatever. Only things left are:
Gauges (I don't even know where to start or what brand)
Seats
Cage (am unsure yet)
Rims and tires
Computer..

And I'm about done. Tonight I removed my sump and tomorrow will be installing my new spoon baffled sump.

And I guess I just want to get the headers correct also.
Na is the way man... Lol I don't want to run engine to the max n have it peaking but I do want a bit more.
Weight would have been well reduced with new exhaust, seats, rims, etc. But I have asked chassis brace and like 5 strut braces... Prob just added it back.
Ah well. I'll keep susin the toda

[ludecrs]

Yeh thats not that much gain...

What were you honestly expecting??? And honestly, I'd be surprised if your HKS was any better than the OEM you had to start with. In most cases, you're worse off and its just a wank factor Made in China badge on your favourite soon-to-be-going-broke JDM company.

Unless you're going to run a very well tuned $4K+ ITB motor with a serious $1K+ fuel setup, your NA motor isn't going to crack 210whp (unless you have deeper pockets again and decide to go a stroker kit - but for the ~$7K that will cost you, you may as well go Force Fed as you're $12k deep and you can buy a turbo kit for $6k whilst putting the rest towards a stronger rear end...

If you want to make a "NA Performance gain" to your car... start by lightening the car -gut the roof.

[curtis265]

why does it have a spike at the beginning?