Buyer Beware - Sydney Used EP3 Type R

**mocchi** · 07-06-2013 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by PHO

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lmaoo

**Poeter** · 12-06-2013 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by DakDak

I know the Km's on my car are legit as the cluster was never removed. I could tell this by how stupidly torqued everything still was after 14 years.

Cluster does not need to be removed to be tampered with.

It can be achieved electronically through connecting with one of those expensive OBDII diagnostic tools. (Ones which professional mechanic uses, not the el'cheap ELM327 scanner).

Hence almost completely untraceable with a single scratch or physical evidence with the cluster.

**bennjamin** · 12-06-2013 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Poeter

Cluster does not need to be removed to be tampered with.

It can be achieved electronically through connecting with one of those expensive OBDII diagnostic tools. (Ones which professional mechanic uses, not the el'cheap ELM327 scanner).

Hence almost completely untraceable with a single scratch or physical evidence with the cluster.

Can you provide some support to your argument ? Im sick of myths like this floating around with no real basis of information.

Generally an electronic dash unit can only be "wound" forward , and only within the first X amount of ks covered - thats with "expensive" OBD2 tools.

**EKVTIR-T** · 12-06-2013 05:45 PM

At HSV we had an obd controller which they connect after the cars completed and roadtested to reset the kms to 0..

they get driven quite a bit to and from storage and around the plant prior to completion

**bennjamin** · 12-06-2013 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by EKVTIR-T

At HSV we had an obd controller which they connect after the cars completed and roadtested to reset the kms to 0..

they get driven quite a bit to and from storage and around the plant prior to completion

what about Honda , namely the EP3R ?

**EKVTIR-T** · 12-06-2013 05:56 PM

I would assume every manufacturer has that capability

plus you have those techno savvy people who would find exploits which dodgy people take advantage of

**Poeter** · 13-06-2013 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by bennjamin

Can you provide some support to your argument ? Im sick of myths like this floating around with no real basis of information.

Generally an electronic dash unit can only be "wound" forward , and only within the first X amount of ks covered - thats with "expensive" OBD2 tools.

Feel welcome to remove my post if you're sick of the myth.

Well there's plenty of info if you try to google this information. There are several videos of this procedure posted on youtube.

My mechanic told me they can do this with their OBDII tools provided they have what they needed to achieve the task. My mechanic didn't want to expand too much detail to me because it was like taboo topic or something for the obvious reasons. However, there are legitimate reasons for mechanic to be able to do this. For instance, replacing a cluster because it was legitimately replaced as a defective component of the car. So mileage correction tools would be handy to keep the original mileage on the replacement cluster.

Here's one video for food for thought. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0qjwWzs23s

This may not be a honda but I would like to highlight that in my opinion that this may not be that farfetched to occur on any other car manufacturer.

Anything that's electronic can be hacked provided one can find an exploit. As any security expert would say, no system is ever secure.

Now if you want to further argue that these information I post remain base less. Fair enough, you choose to believe they're false, your opinion. Again feel free to remove/edit my post as you see fit.

**mocchi** · 13-06-2013 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by Poeter

Feel welcome to remove my post if you're sick of the myth.

Well there's plenty of info if you try to google this information. There are several videos of this procedure posted on youtube.

My mechanic told me they can do this with their OBDII tools provided they have what they needed to achieve the task. My mechanic didn't want to expand too much detail to me because it was like taboo topic or something for the obvious reasons. However, there are legitimate reasons for mechanic to be able to do this. For instance, replacing a cluster because it was legitimately replaced as a defective component of the car. So mileage correction tools would be handy to keep the original mileage on the replacement cluster.

Here's one video for food for thought. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0qjwWzs23s

This may not be a honda but I would like to highlight that in my opinion that this may not be that farfetched to occur on any other car manufacturer.

Anything that's electronic can be hacked provided one can find an exploit. As any security expert would say, no system is ever secure.

Now if you want to further argue that these information I post remain base less. Fair enough, you choose to believe they're false, your opinion. Again feel free to remove/edit my post as you see fit.

good info poeter