JDM Accord no more (ie: no more euros)

[denot]

lmao ancap safety ratings

who even considers that when buying a car

LOL, well you are right sir... but then again, if the car looks like a supercar and cost $100k but the ancap rating is only 1, would I buy it? hmmm

[lolmclol]

LOL, well you are right sir... but then again, if the car looks like a supercar and cost $100k but the ancap rating is only 1, would I buy it? hmmm

Yeaaaah ... that's a bit crazy though, but I see your point.


Judging by those photos, I'd be worried driving the kia I'd be thrown out the window ;-)

[Rage King]

We could only hope that the poms can bring more exiting Honda than the Japs or the Yanks

http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor...814-2rv7g.html

i like the taste of this .... saving them chum change for one of these should it be released in audm.

[Fredoops]

LOL, well you are right sir... but then again, if the car looks like a supercar and cost $100k but the ancap rating is only 1, would I buy it? hmmm

Ever driver a Caterham?

0 Star that one lol.


Having said that... the bloodything is meant to be a family car.... in which case a 4 stair is an epic fail.
you'd be just as safe in a greatwall....

[antony]

@FREDOOPS,Honda have said there WILL be another Spirior,the Crider is made and sold by Shanghai Honda,the Spirior is made and sold by Dongfeng Honda,2 diffirent companies.

The Crider was based on the Concept C ,which looks absorlutely hideous,NO Euro buyer will buy one of those.

[Fredoops]

@FREDOOPS,Honda have said there WILL be another Spirior,the Crider is made and sold by Shanghai Honda,the Spirior is made and sold by Dongfeng Honda,2 diffirent companies.

The Crider was based on the Concept C ,which looks absorlutely hideous,NO Euro buyer will buy one of those.

I am well aware they are 2 joint ventures, I'm Chinese....

There will be another Sprior, no doubt... BUT

It will be the LHD, ACUR (讴歌)TLX : http://www.acura.com.cn/

The joint venture agreement was signed 33 days ago with the GAC gorup, the same people that makes the Crider.
Acura had been in China since 2006, but since they are fully imported, they attract a 100% tariff. with the joint venture, expect their prices to come right down.

Heres the news release, in Chinese
http://www.acura.com.cn/news/press/20130718.html

Browse through the site, they have, the FULL Acura lineup, except the TSX, no doubt because of the agreement with DongFeng.

Do you, honestly, believe, that Honda's gonna have another DongFeng Sprior (current one is a failure whichever way you look at it) to go head to head with the upcoming Acura TLX which cover the same market segment?
The Sprior in China cost almost as much as an A4/BMW320, bang in Acura territory.

They cant be that stupid surely, competing against themselves *again*? Besides, Who else are they going to make a "JDM" accord for? Japan's out, Europe is dropping the Accord altogether, Russia has ACURA, everywhere else has the big, seppo accord.

[antony]

Hondas bosses in Japan and Australia have confirmed that there WILL be a next Euro,maybee it will be the Acura ILX if not the TLX ???

[Jasemas]

Honda Aus have little to no say on what cars they can bring in
They're puppertered by Jap
And if you look through a few posts earlier on the Jap website theres no Euro

[Fredoops]

Hondas bosses in Japan and Australia have confirmed that there WILL be a next Euro,maybee it will be the Acura ILX if not the TLX ???

Honda bosses had backfliped since then...
http://www.carpoint.com.au/news/2013...F0ZVRpbWUlN2Mx

[antony]

It would be weird for Honda to discontinue the Euro,as this platform still sold 132000 units globally in 2012,which is a nice bit of volume it WILL loose that to Mazda,Toyota,and Volkswagen mainly.
The TSX is still selling very well in USA,and last month the Euro was top selling car in Iceland.

[Fredoops]

It would be weird for Honda to discontinue the Euro,as this platform still sold 132000 units globally in 2012,which is a nice bit of volume it WILL loose that to Mazda,Toyota,and Volkswagen mainly.
The TSX is still selling very well in USA,and last month the Euro was top selling car in Iceland.

It's not weird, finally a bit of economic sense.

It may sold 132k units last year, but last generation, it sold 100k + in Japan ALONE.

Now Europe, Honda never had a competitive Diesel engine (Vital for the EU market) and now the emissions standard had killed the 2.2L D-Tec, they've got no engine to power the Accord, not to mention the recession means cal sales are down overall, but D-segment was hit particularly hard. Accord sales in UK was 2500 per year in 2012, something like 1/20th of what it used to be.

In USA, you'd find the TSX sales growth is almost a mirror image of the TL sales decline.


Consolidating the lineup is the first step to getting Honda out of whatever this is.

They say Japan was the inventor of "Lean" Manufacturing, well I can tell you, the 1/2 half of 2000's Honda was anything BUT lean, it was so scattered and wasteful it's not funny.

Take one example, the CL9 Accord Euro.

Over it's life period, 5 odd years, the CL9 Accord had:
- EIGHT different ECU designs from THREE separate manufacturers (overall theres something like one dozen different ECU's between K20 and K24 petrol variants alone, plus 2 different Bosch Diesel ECU's)
- THREE different headunits and TWO different interior audio wiring setup
- USDM had a different ECU, different wiring setup than Europe/Japan/Australia (regardless of RHD or LHD)
- There were 2 variations of the K24 engine, and USDM had engine and exhaust changes that were made during facelift that was NOT carried to the rest of the world, so post facelift the part numbers DOUBLED, because they had to produce 2 different exhaust pipes of the exact same shape but 5mm difference in diameter, then there were Cam changes, piston throttle body, intake valve etc just for USA.

Remember, ALL CL9's come down from the SAME production line in Japan.

Utter Madness.

[Jasemas]

It's not weird, finally a bit of economic sense.

It may sold 132k units last year, but last generation, it sold 100k + in Japan ALONE.

Now Europe, Honda never had a competitive Diesel engine (Vital for the EU market) and now the emissions standard had killed the 2.2L D-Tec, they've got no engine to power the Accord, not to mention the recession means cal sales are down overall, but D-segment was hit particularly hard. Accord sales in UK was 2500 per year in 2012, something like 1/20th of what it used to be.

In USA, you'd find the TSX sales growth is almost a mirror image of the TL sales decline.


Consolidating the lineup is the first step to getting Honda out of whatever this is.

They say Japan was the inventor of "Lean" Manufacturing, well I can tell you, the 1/2 half of 2000's Honda was anything BUT lean, it was so scattered and wasteful it's not funny.

Take one example, the CL9 Accord Euro.

Over it's life period, 5 odd years, the CL9 Accord had:
- EIGHT different ECU designs from THREE separate manufacturers (overall theres something like one dozen different ECU's between K20 and K24 petrol variants alone, plus 2 different Bosch Diesel ECU's)
- THREE different headunits and TWO different interior audio wiring setup
- USDM had a different ECU, different wiring setup than Europe/Japan/Australia (regardless of RHD or LHD)
- There were 2 variations of the K24 engine, and USDM had engine and exhaust changes that were made during facelift that was NOT carried to the rest of the world, so post facelift the part numbers DOUBLED, because they had to produce 2 different exhaust pipes of the exact same shape but 5mm difference in diameter, then there were Cam changes, piston throttle body, intake valve etc just for USA.

Remember, ALL CL9's come down from the SAME production line in Japan.

Utter Madness.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Fredoops again.


Seriously what has happened to Honda?