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    Exclamation BAR-Honda Guilty!!

    The Court of Appeal has found BAR-Honda guilty of running an underweight car at the San Marino GP.

    They have been stripped of their San Marino results and banned for two races. A further 6 month ban has been suspended for 1 year.

    Shame has been bought upon the Honda name
    I dont know what to think at this stage...

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    Fire those mechanics responsible, and start a new motorsport team, BAR-OzHonda

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    that really sucks!.. they've been flirting with the limits of the rule book on so many occasions and this time someone really fukt up hey. I wonder if they are allowed to do testing and developement during their suspension period?

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    Holy ****in shit. Are you serious?! ARGHHHHH

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    I dont think the verdict is harsh considering

    a) what they were facing (Total Ban - 1 million euro fine)
    b) They WERE cheating
    c) Fuel is not to be used as ballast

    So yeah its unfortunate but not undeserved.

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    all i can say is that the damage is done...
    the Honda name has been tarnished by these events
    very dissapointing...

    BAR lose Imola points and handed two-race ban
    ICA find BAR Honda guilty of cheating





    BAR Honda will now miss the Spanish and
    Monaco Grand Prix
    BAR Honda were today banned from competing in the next two Grand Prix after being found guilty of cheating at last month's race in San Marino.

    The verdict was handed out by motor racing's governing body the FIA after its International Court of Appeal ruled that the car Button drove to finish third at Imola was underweight.

    In addition to being excluded from the next two races BAR have retrospectively been thrown out of the San Marino race meaning the ten points they gained there will be wiped off the record books.

    In addition, they have also been handed a six month suspension suspended for one year should they be found guilty of breaking F1 rules a second time.

    BAR, who vigorously deny they used an illegal fuel system to gain an advantage on their grid rivals, were facing the risk of being thrown out of this season's championship altogether - the punishment demanded by the FIA.

    E.A.
    Source AFP

    source f1live.com

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    i think would be better to cop the 6 month suspension on the chin now and start fresh next season

    or is the 6 months only if they f_ck up and get caught again?
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    oh well... i guess things could be wrose... 2 race ban n loss of points is better than being throw out of the comp imo...
    i hope this doesnt hinder the re entry of a 100% Honda owned factory team
    fkn BAR/BAT .. i blame them for this! lolz

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    Poor Honda, BAR controls all this but Honda does look over it.
    The 2 ex-employees who gave the "tip-off" will be "sorted out" i'm guessing.

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    Im seriously gutted right now. And the suspended sentence is if bar **** up again. I think it is because bar are always lookin to exploit the rules. Poor farking honda, they are gonna get a bad wrap from this. I hope Nick Fry's appeal is successful. Doubt it tho

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    *shattered*
    man u gotta feel for the drivers...
    n i wonder how pissed off Jenson is.. he must be fumeing.. n poor Taku

    Mosley feels BAR Honda's sentence is lenient
    The team will restart season on May 29





    Max Mosley's first comments
    after the BAR Honda verdict

    FIA president Max Mosley said he felt the sentence against BAR Honda meted out by the four-judge panel at the FIA's Paris headquarters had been lenient.

    "The facts in this case are very clear," Mosley told the BBC. "The team was asked to pump the fuel out of their car. They left 15 litres in the tank and told us it was empty. Under the circumstances, we feel they have been treated rather leniently."

    But in a statement the FIA's appeal court said that it was not possible on the evidence they had heard to prove that BAR had deliberately cheated.

    "Their actions...show at the least a highly regrettable negligence and lack of transparency," the statement said.

    Imola track scrutineers intitially found Button's BAR had conformed with the legal minimum weight limit when they inspected it. When the car was weighed immediately after the race it was found to be above the weight limit but it was below the limit when the fuel tank was drained.


    FIA scrutineers at the track accepted BAR's explanation but the FIA, suspecting the car was loaded with petrol as ballast, put the case before the its International Court of Appeal.

    And in its ruling the court declared: "The inspection revealed that on top of the 160 grams of fuel that was emptied, 8.92kg of fuel still remained in a special copmartment within the fuel tank and a further 2.46kg remained in the bottom of the fuel tank.

    "These quantities remained in the vehicle after the BAR Honda team had confirmed "That's it" when asked if the draining process was completed."


    The ruling means that BAR will restart the season in Germany on May 29 without a point.

    Button's first podium finish of 2005 now goes to McLaren driver Alexander Wurz. The fifth-place gained by Button's Japanese teammate Takuma Sato has also been cancelled, allowing Canadian Jacques Villeneuve to claim fourth for Sauber, with Italian Jarno Trulli moving up to fifth for Toyota. Williams duo Nick Heidfeld, of Germany, and Mark Webber, of Australia, are now credited with sixth and seventh while Italian Vitantonio Liuzzi is now credited with scoring a point for eighth place on his debut with Red Bull Racing.

    Source AFP

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    this is a pretty fkn long read... n most of it is gibbrish to me..
    but for the ppl that wanna know the exact details concering the matter...

    ICA's complete verdict in BAR Honda case
    All the details from the court's decision





    The ICA has handed out its verdict

    The International Court of Appeal (ICA) handed out its verdict today in the case against BAR Honda. Here is the complete information on the verdict, as published by the FIA:

    Appeal submitted by the Fédération Internationale de l’Automobile, on the grounds of Article 185 of the International Sporting Code

    CASE

    Decision n° 49 taken by the Stewards of the Meeting concerning car n° 3, competitor Lucky Strike BAR Honda (driver Jenson Button), after the San Marino Grand Prix on 24 April 2005 counting towards the 2005 FIA Formula One World Championship

    Hearing of Wednesday 4 May 2005 in Paris

    The FIA INTERNATIONAL COURT OF APPEAL, composed of Mr Xavier CONESA (Spain), elected President, Mr Erich Sedelmayer (Austria), Mr Pierre Tourigny (Canada) and Mr Vassilis KOUSSIS (Greece),

    Meeting in Paris on Wednesday 4 May 2005, at the headquarters of the Fédération Internationale de l’Automobile, 8 place de la Concorde, 75008 Paris,

    Ruling on the appeal brought by the FIA against decision n° 49 taken by the Stewards of the Meeting of the San Marino Grand Prix on 24 April 2005, having refused to take any action against the competitor Lucky Strike BAR Honda who they considered was not in breach of the FIA Regulations as regards the weight of the car,


    Having heard:

    For the FIA, appellant, represented by Mr Pierre de CONINCK, Secretary General of the Sport Division, assisted by Mr Sébastien BERNARD, Head of Legal Affairs, and Mr Charlie WHITING, Head of the Technical Department,

    For the Respondent, the Motor Sports Association (MSA), represented by Mr Terry Lankshear, Secretary General, acting both for the MSA and for the competitor Lucky Strike BAR Honda, assisted by Mr David PANNICK QC, Lawyer at the London Bar, Mr Simon TAYLOR, Solicitor in London, and Ms Caroline McGRORY, Lawyer,

    For the knowledgeable parties, Mr Geoff WILLIS, Technical Director, Lucky Strike BAR Honda, Mr Craig WILSON, Chief Engineer, Lucky Strike BAR Honda, Mr Nick FRY, Chief Executive Officer (Lucky Strike BAR Honda), Mr Ron MEADOWS, Race Team Manager (Lucky Strike BAR Honda), Mr Alistair GIBSON, Chief Mechanic (Lucky Strike BAR Honda), Mr Darren BEACROFT, N°1 Mechanic (Lucky Strike BAR Honda), Mr Chris FRY, Team Truck Driver (Lucky Strike BAR Honda), Mr Yasuhiro WADA, President Honda Racing Development, Mr Otmar SZAFNAUER, Vice- President Honda Racing Development, Mr Nick BROOKES, Director British American Tobacco, Mr Jo BAUER, FIA Formula One Technical Delegate, Mr Kris de GROOT, FIA Formula One Technical Team, and Mr Alan FULLER, FIA Formula One Technical Team,

    Having acknowledged that the procedure was in order and the appeal admissible, the rights of each of the parties having been duly examined, both in the proceedings which preceded the hearing and during the hearing itself, the appellant, the competitor and the knowledgeable parties having been duly heard and having provided all the detailed explanations requested from them during the hearing and having received answer, with the help of a simultaneous translation system which did not provoke the slightest criticism on the part of the competitors,



    Nick Fry during yesterday's meeting
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    WHEREAS the appellant the FIA has requested the International Court of Appeal to cancel the decision taken by the Stewards because it did not respect the technical and sporting regulations of Formula One as well as the rules of the International Sporting Code,

    WHEREAS for its part the defendant argued that it conformed to all the relevant rules above,

    WHEREAS Article 1.9 of the same Technical Regulations stipulates that the weight of the car “is the weight of the car with the driver wearing his complete racing apparel, at all times during the event”, and must not be related with the weight of the car in ‘running order’ as defined in article 1.10.

    WHEREAS with regard to the weight of the car, Article 4.1. of the Technical Regulations, without mentioning the fuel, requires that at all times during the event, whether or not the driver is weighed separately, the weight must not be less than 600 kg,

    WHEREAS in this regard, the requirements of these regulations are supported by Art 77-a-4 and 77-b of the Sporting Regulations of Formula One which anticipate that the car must be weighed with the driver at the time of the practice, and that after the race every car crossing the line shall be weighed with the weight of its driver added, with paragraph c of the same article specifying that if the weight of the car is less than the minimum weight required by Article 4.1. of the Technical Regulations, the car will be excluded from the event, save where the deficiency in weight results from the accidental loss of a component of the car,

    WHEREAS, taking into account these requirements, the car, at all times of the event, must weigh with the driver a minimum of 600 kg and that Lucky Strike BAR Honda tried to argue that the car must be weighed with the remaining fuel in the tank after the race, which is not supported by any rules of the Code and Regulations, and leaves the FIA as well the competitors in a regrettable state of uncertainty,

    WHEREAS the only interpretation possible which can give any guarantee in this regard should be, as is contained in Article 4.1., that the weight of the car with its fuel tank completely empty at the end of the race, must weigh at least 600 kg, and this interpretation flows from Articles 1.9, 4.1, 77-a, 77-b and 77-c of the Sporting and Technical Regulations above, WHEREAS the defendant Lucky Strike BAR Honda was unable to satisfy the requirements of Article 2.6, which states that “It is the duty of each Competitor to satisfy the FIA technical delegate and the Stewards of the Meeting that his automobile complies with these regulations in their entirety at all times during an Event”.

    WHEREAS, the presentation of the team of fuel consumption data cannot guarantee that the vehicle complied at all times with the minimum weight requirements of Article 4.1,

    WHEREAS, after having been drained of all its fuel, vehicle N°3 of the Lucky Strike BAR Honda weighed 594.6 kg, and therefore did not conform to Article 4.1 of the Technical Regulations, the only way in which the vehicle could meet the requirement of the minimum weight of 600 kg was to have used fuel as ballast, which does not conform to the requirements of Article 4.2,

    WHEREAS the evidence submitted to the Court confirmed that both vehicles competing for Lucky Strike BAR Honda in the event concerned had the same specification fuel tanks,

    WHEREAS the inspection revealed that on top of the 160 grams of fuel that was emptied, 8.92 kg of fuel still remained in a special compartment within the fuel tank and a further 2.46 kg remained in the bottom of the fuel tank. These quantities remained in the vehicle after the BAR Honda team had confirmed “That’s it” when asked if the draining process was completed,

    WHEREAS it is not possible for the Court to find, on the basis of the evidence that it was provided with, that Lucky Strike BAR Honda deliberately committed fraud, their actions at the time of the emptying procedure of the vehicle after the event, and the fact that they did not use their right in accordance with Article 2.4, to address a request for clarification on the rules to the Technical Formula One Department of the FIA, show at the least a highly regrettable negligence and lack of transparency,

    On these grounds

    As to the form,

    DECLARES and RULES that the appeal brought by the FIA is admissible

    As to the content,




    INVALIDATES the decision N°49 of the Stewards at the San Marino Grand Prix on 24 April 2005, Giving a new RULING,

    DECLARES and RULES that the Lucky Strike BAR Honda team failed to comply with Articles 1.9, 4.1, 4.2, 2.6 of the Sporting Regulations and also violates Article 151-c of the International Sporting Code,

    EXCLUDES Lucky Strike BAR Honda team from the event in question,

    SUSPENDS the Lucky Strike BAR Honda team from the next two events in the FIA Formula One Championship,

    SUSPENDS the team for a period of six months after the above- mentioned two events, with this penalty suspended for a period of one year,

    LEAVES it to the sporting authority to draw the consequences of the present decision while rectifying the classification of the event accordingly,

    LEAVES it to the Lucky Strike BAR Honda team to pay the costs, which will be calculated in accordance with Article 190 of the International Sporting Code,

    The PRESIDENT

    Source FIA

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