Anyone heal and toe with TypeR DC2 / DC5

[tanghy]

if your foot is wide enough use the ball of your foot on the brake and the outside part of yr foot on the accel

correct spelling is HEEL PEDALS

[mugsee]

I was looking around through the net and read some people like to modify their throttle cable (when they come loose) so that its more responsive - this also allows for more responsive blips when they heel-toe.

Maybe this could help those not laying your heel down far enough?

[joneblaze]

Yeah mine is pretty "loose"ish, as mentioned to me by a friend, but when asking my mechanic (peter@hannys) he said it was fine and didnt have to be that taut at all. Apparently it drives idle up and fuel economy? I suppose that wasn't from a "performance" viewpoint though....

[wynode]

if your foot is wide enough use the ball of your foot on the brake and the outside part of yr foot on the accel

correct spelling is HEEL PEDALS

[A'PEXi]

my foot isnt that big, but i can do what andrew said, basically my pedals are really close together.

[helpmepushstartmyturboaut]

I think you only REALLY need to heel-toe when braking hard into corners, so I've found that the pedal position is actually really good. I'm sure that in all those 'best motoring' videos, they're also braking much harder and from greater speeds than most of us on the street.

Probably helps that i've also got a wide foot. Maybe bolting on wider pedals??

[VTEC16]

I drove to lorne and back a couple of weeks ago......i woulda been screwed on the G.O.R without heel-toeing!

[red s2000]

I think you only REALLY need to heel-toe when braking hard into corners, so I've found that the pedal position is actually really good. I'm sure that in all those 'best motoring' videos, they're also braking much harder and from greater speeds than most of us on the street.

Probably helps that i've also got a wide foot. Maybe bolting on wider pedals??

I agree...my s2k only requires heel-toe when i'm really braking hard into a corner, otherwise i don't feel the need. The purpose of a heel-toe is to essentially match the engine revs to aid the down-shifting and not upset the balance of the car into corners. (It can also work if you have mates you like to impress with the blip!) From racing experience, the speeds are much greater on the track than on the streets of a neighbourhood...unless you are a little foolish and like lamp-posts...

[red s2000]

I drove to lorne and back a couple of weeks ago......i woulda been screwed on the G.O.R without heel-toeing!

i'm interested, why? were you drifting? (btw do you have any G.O.R pace notes?)

[VTEC16]

I drove to lorne and back a couple of weeks ago......i woulda been screwed on the G.O.R without heel-toeing!

i'm interested, why? were you drifting? (btw do you have any G.O.R pace notes?)

With such tight corners...and often on the limit of grip, if you are changing gears from one linked corner into another, its going to upset the car (unless you ride the clutch like a mo' fo'). So heel toing allowes you to trail brake and smoothly engage the right cog at the same time, without unsettling the car mid-corner.

...i hope i said all that right....had a few coldies....

EDIT:

no - i wasnt drifting in my FWD EK4.

no - i dont have pace notes - that was my first time on the GOR.....took it easy on the one way.....went a little harder on the way back....but didnt push too hard without intimate knowledge of the road (of course).

[Cyrus]

get the technique right and you should be able to heel and toe with any car,...each car paddles vary so it just takes a little bit of time to get accustomised to it. Worse come to worse,..get a set of aftermarket paddles...

I think beginners should practice heel and toe at low speeds and not necessary have to be under hard braking. First learn the movement, the timing and the match....then try it at higher speeds and heavier braking (in safe and control environments of course)....don't expect to be an expert overnight....as they say, don't run before you can walk..

Cheers

[SIKCVC]

get the technique right and you should be able to heel and toe with any car,...each car paddles vary so it just takes a little bit of time to get accustomised to it. Worse come to worse,..get a set of aftermarket paddles...

I think beginners should practice heel and toe at low speeds and not necessary have to be under hard braking. First learn the movement, the timing and the match....then try it at higher speeds and heavier braking (in safe and control environments of course)....don't expect to be an expert overnight....as they say, don't run before you can walk..

Cheers

Its actually very VERY difficult to learn under lite breaking.

First thing to learn is perfect rev matching, once you can do this, then move onto heal/toe.

I dunno if anyone has mentioned this, but timing as to where you match your revs is essential... misstiming can result in a dead box.

This is the best order for rev matching but hardest to get used to strait away.
Clutch in.
out of gear
rev
N.B. after a little driving experience in any car, say 15 mins of driving in that car, you should know how much revs you'll need for the gear change, ie 5th-4th, 4th-3rd, 5th-3rd, 3rd-2nd.
into lower gear
dump the clutch.
N.B. bleed the clutch until you can get it right otherwise it will make life uncomfortable and wont do your g/box or shafts any good.

Once you've got this down you can add in the fact that your breaking at the same time. The hardest part of which is twisting your foot into the ungodly sideways possition, which if you're like me is painful at first.

The next hardest thing to adjust to... is the fact that you're now under breaks so your speed is dropping and in the time you clutch in and take it out of gear the revs you need to match are lower than before when just in over-run.

last issue, remember... BIG TOE... you use it to accell/maintain speed more accuratly and you need to use it to brake accuratly. if you just rest your foot there, when you blip your throttle you'll slam the brakes on too. and this is the reason why you practice under hard braking... ie the peddles are more even, less chance of slamming on the brakes.

If you can already rev match, takes about a week 2 weeks to figure out the whole twisted foot/dropping speed thing.

Once you can do it in once car, you'll be able to go from car to car and heal/toe with ease... piece of piss!

Oh yeah, as was said earlier... this is how i was tought/learned to heal/toe, but I'm sure theres dozens of different ways, like using the side of your foot to blip the throttle etc etc.

have fun learning its a usful tool in emergancies!

PS buy tight fitting shoes with a thin sole... makes the whole big toe/peddle contact a lot easier. Puma make a pair of running shoes which are a sparco rip off. good buy!

PPS sorry for the essay length peice, hope it helped