B18b Turbo & B18c2 Turbo

**tinkerbell** · 22-11-2005 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by integrity

if you want to put down the gsi integras down tinkerbell then maybe you should line up with one and see how good you will go.

mate - i have run 13.7 in a Normally Aspirated LS Integra.

since these turbo GSi's seem to be able to run 13.8's or so, then i feel pretty comfortable...

what is your best time?

and as for this comment:

in my eyes a gsi is much better to turbo because it doesnt mess with the computer in terms of the vtec kicking in.

are you for real?!?!??! you can't be serious?

**BlitZ** · 22-11-2005 02:51 PM

im not stirring anyone..
but a b16a with 5psi in an EM1 normally nets a mid 13 sec 1/4 mile on st tyres..

LVNIT just has to prove it...........

Ill think that goes beyond your phone call comparision to AVO who utilises log style manifold....

its like comparing mugen extractors and hurricane headers

**BlitZ** · 22-11-2005 02:59 PM

And sorry to burst your bubble...
http://www.avoturboworld.com/news/honda_a4_small.pdf

chekc the link out.. Teg with stage one AVO kit produces over 240whp!

**tinkerbell** · 22-11-2005 03:03 PM

who's bubble do you think you are bursting by quoting *claimed* HP figures from a manufacturers website?

**BlitZ** · 22-11-2005 03:04 PM

Read below

Originally Posted by GSI-PSI

did u all know that it only takes 1 phonecall to find out which engine produces more power stock. There is proof at AVO that a vtec was getting 140kw at the wheels and mines getting 132kw at the wheels on the same boost.

**tinkerbell** · 22-11-2005 03:05 PM

oh, OK,

well here is a B18C that makes over 600whp

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1212667

**Q_ball** · 22-11-2005 03:06 PM

relax fellas...lets jst all sell our 200+kw hondas and buy WRXs...lol - 99 models hehe

**LVNIT** · 22-11-2005 04:53 PM

At least we would have traction, its unknown to me at the moment :P

**locote** · 22-11-2005 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by sever_all_ties

You do realise the later model turbo engines brought out by toyota, nissan and even mitsubishi came out with the manufacturers versions of variable cam timing (vvti, nvcs, mivec) and such?

i have not seen any vvti, mivec motors running a factory turbo.

as far a a nissan motor running a turbo the latest sr20det to come out only had intake cam advance(timing was advanced on intake cam)
but the R34 range did have Vneo RB's running turbos.
but the smaller 1.6lt and 2.0lt motors came out in 3 different versions, turbo(det), N/A(de) and NEO (vvt)

**locote** · 22-11-2005 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by locote

well i guess you could go the other way to.
what would a gsi be like runing high comp???

and and more agressive cams??

**integrity** · 22-11-2005 08:29 PM

as you all can see the nissan variable valve timing injection thing is built WITH a turbo and factory configured to run WITH a turbo
ahonda however is not made for aturbo especially with the vtec being so combustive in the engine after 4 grand.
tinkerbell i used to own a Ls integra and was considering turboing it ...
measure the power to weight ratio for the LS and the GSI integra
almost the same motor but GSI has 107 kw compared to the LS that has 96 kw.
and in regards to AVO showing the stats... they have literally showed me the stats of a turbo interga pulling inbetween 115 to 150 kw at the wheels ...
thats is easy 13's...
tell me how good you go on the street?
how well do you think you can do with a GTR or street tuned S15 ....?
you pulling 13's in your NA ls sounds ok have you got the time sheet??
also you have probably done all you can to it ... im onyl turboing with standard internals ..
jsut watch what you say because one day a gsi turbbo will be burning rubber in your face taking off

**tinkerbell** · 22-11-2005 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by integrity

especially with the vtec being so combustive in the engine after 4 grand.

so do you think VTEC would be a negative?

seems most people would disagree, but you are entitled to your opinion... however mis-informed that is...

and in regards to AVO showing the stats... they have literally showed me the stats of a turbo interga pulling inbetween 115 to 150 kw at the wheels ...

both my Integras, LS and VTiR, have had over 120kW at the wheels

thats is easy 13's...

yes it is.

how well do you think you can do with a GTR or street tuned S15 ....?

relevence?

you pulling 13's in your NA ls sounds ok have you got the time sheet??

also you have probably done all you can to it ...

nah, stock B20B internals i.e. same block as CRV

just B16A head with ITR bolts-ons = hardly "all you can to it"

jsut watch what you say because one day a gsi turbbo will be burning rubber in your face taking off

yes, until then...