Coilovers, Buddy Club N+ spec Vs Tein SS

[aznpsuazn]

To the best of my limited knowledge, a spring's rate is only affected by 3 factors
- amount of active coils or the spring
- the width of the spring material itself
- the average spring diameter aka mean diameter

Springs do increase their rate as they are compressed, not only as a characteristic of springs themself, but as with the Tein SS, when you lower them you compress the spring. A side effect is also the smaller amount of travel you have between each coil, and over sustained bumps you will experience coil bind - which is where one coil touches the adjacent coil. For that momentary contact you will have 1 less active coils, also affecting the already impaired spring rate.

Was that good bs or what?

[spetz]

Ok and the way I see it, is if you lower it more, you are moving the spring further down the coilover so in fact it does not get any more compressed? In fact, it would be more compressed at the highest setting if anything?

Now is that good bs or what

[ewendc2r]

He is saying that as you lower the Tein SS, you compress the spring. They do not have a bottom adjustment for height setting, and as such, the more you compress a spring, there will be a proportionate increase in the static spring rate.

[bennjamin]

A certain fact is that the lower you go , the less suspension travel you will have. To contain that bound/rebound you need stiffer spring rates...as well as well designed shocks to absorb the travel.
A spring rate is determined with its stock length (uncompressed) and deformed length ( compressed , static) so from basic understanding being at a different height which changes its static load does change the rate.

[spetz]

Ok I haven't ever adjusted my Tein's, so I will not comment on them

But, on my old Fulcrum's, which seem to be the same type of adjustment, the more I lowered it, the less trapped the spring would be so then why would this make it stiffer??
The adjustment is at the bottom of the shock, so by setting it higher it would compress the spring. The fulcrums didn't have the helper spring

[RexJacky]

I am driving a 05 Rexy.. as others mention already, Tein SS is not in the same category as the BuddyClub N+. N+ is more comparable with Tein Flex. SS is not full length adjustable type of suspension. so the spring rate varies while doing height adjustment. and about N+ to Flex, the spring rate is different, N+ for GDB STI is Front 8K, Rear 6K, where as Flex is front 6K, rear 5k setup. We sell both in our shop as well as i have been into customers car with either suspension (even the SS). From exprience, the N+ you would get sharper handling and stronger struct setup. but the flex would give you more flexibilty as you could get the EDFC and adjust the damping inside the carbin. but my suggestion is not to use SS as they are just not up there. if you are aftering comfortable ride, why borther with coilover? a good set of adjustable shock and lowering spring would get what you after. But taste to suspension is each to their own. theres no perfect setting for everyone. but to start with, the price tag of N+ would be nicer.

hope this help.

[spetz]

How much would you do the N+ for a 06 STi?

[RexJacky]

You have PM mate~

[MRH-22A]

Ok I haven't ever adjusted my Tein's, so I will not comment on them

But, on my old Fulcrum's, which seem to be the same type of adjustment, the more I lowered it, the less trapped the spring would be so then why would this make it stiffer??
The adjustment is at the bottom of the shock, so by setting it higher it would compress the spring. The fulcrums didn't have the helper spring

this guy is right.

the lower you adjust the height... the less compressed the spring becomes.

[HRD2BQT]

SS & N+ are both good example of an entry level coilover system. Both have a good warranty, Tein has rebuild facility in Australia and N+ come with 24months replacement warranty provided they are factory faulty unit. But in this instance, I wud rather get N+ due to it's dual height adjustable features and the hard top mount package where the SS don't have.

clear ur pm Phil

[PaZzMaN-R]

im sitting here thinking to myself that everyone has it wrong... or maby its just me that has it wrong. iv been in the 06 sti and the suspention is damn firm and awesome. i owned buddyclub n+ and they are awesome but this is what im thinking. the buddyclub n+ even though aftermarket may not be a better performing coilover compared to the stock sti ones. the only advantage of going to the aftermarket coilovers mentioned is that it will lower the car.

my advice is to contact mrt. they subaru specialist and they have a forum. i would tell your friend to also look at bilstein or a brand that specialises more for subarus

[RexJacky]

im sitting here thinking to myself that everyone has it wrong... or maby its just me that has it wrong. iv been in the 06 sti and the suspention is damn firm and awesome. i owned buddyclub n+ and they are awesome but this is what im thinking. the buddyclub n+ even though aftermarket may not be a better performing coilover compared to the stock sti ones. the only advantage of going to the aftermarket coilovers mentioned is that it will lower the car.

my advice is to contact mrt. they subaru specialist and they have a forum. i would tell your friend to also look at bilstein or a brand that specialises more for subarus

its about the flexibility about having coilover. the stock sti sussy is what we always called "Hard when driving slow, but soft when you drive fast". With the coilover, you are not just having the flexibility on adjusting the ride hieght, as well as the way your car taking a corner. from the damping setup, you could set your car being netural, under, or oversteering while taking corner. with a sti or rexy sussy, you would be feel like driving a boat while its at speed. bilstein are good but set you back for around 4k. and goodluck with mrt as well...