FWD vs RWD?

[aaronng]

ESP will try to rein your tail in, while TC will cut power to prevent anymore loss of grip. But as always, you can outsmart ESP and TC. So don't expect it to save idiots.

[matt]

ESP and traction control are completely different.

tho in lot of cases they do work together, and both systems are only as good as the program thats running them. there are many systems out there that either operate way to quickly (ie no fun ) or don't respond to situation untill it's almost to late.

but i definataley agree that they are not designed to make cars idiot proof

some of those older civics and integra's are cool but in terms of new cars they're no fun.

what is it that makes em no fun? i love going for a good fang through the hills in my dc5r, granted its not the fastest thing on 4 wheels tho i have given my mate with a jap spec evo 8 a fright a couple of times. and for the money i paid for it i could of got an s15 or something like that but the dc5r just felt like a more challenging car to drive quickly.

As aimre said honda dont really make a car thats enjoyable to drive (aside from the s2000 and nsx, which are rediculously overpriced)

maybe not right now. i havent driven a nsx (unfortunatley) but i have given a s2k a good drive on a couple of occasions and all i can say is you obviously havent driven a ITR or CTR

and you say that silver_screen has no idea with his comment about the GTR, at the same time you need to have a look around for some of the vids which show ITR's and CTR's giving different AWD cars a hard time. a good FWD car is not always inferior to AWD or RWD.

and at the end of the day most of the differences will be when driving at or near the limit, which not many of us will be able to or should be doing on the road.

[aaronng]

FWD cars are usually lighter than their AWD (and even sometimes RWD) counterparts.

If you are taking a corner and you are not yet accelerating, then FWD will have an advantage if it is a light car where the front:rear weight ratio is not too extreme. AWD and RWD has an advantage in how early they can apply the throttle out of the turn. FWD usually is able to apply throttle only later compared to AWD and RWD.

[Petronas]

So after reading through the posts, what it comes down to (For everyday driving on PUBLIC roads) is

Price
Weight
Handling for Noobs
Wet Weather Traction

[krogoth]

My FWD civic DOES have a hump in the middle, and so does EVERY other FWD car -> I <- have been in, so that aint a real reason.

mate, most new FWD dont have this issue

its to do with suspension i believe, or how the suspension works

my 05civic has indepedent double wish bone suspension

therfore it works completley on its own, away from the rest of the car, eliminating the need of a rear axle and eliminating that bump

the older style FWD suspension did have an axle goin to the back, as it was a part of the rear suspension set up

and this was somhow related to the front of the car, im not sure, ill try and look it up

[Speeder]

mate, most new FWD dont have this issue

its to do with suspension i believe, or how the suspension works

my 05civic has indepedent double wish bone suspension

therfore it works completley on its own, away from the rest of the car, eliminating the need of a rear axle and eliminating that bump

the older style FWD suspension did have an axle goin to the back, as it was a part of the rear suspension set up

and this was somhow related to the front of the car, im not sure, ill try and look it up

Isn't that bump for the exhaust?

[aaronng]

Bump for the exhaust tunnel.
Zombie horde.... yummmmm

[destrukshn]

noobs.
lol.

[Zdster]

Bump for the exhaust tunnel.
Zombie horde.... yummmmm

Also for the fuel tank? In the rear of the civic that is where the tank is located.

[krogoth]

its for the zorst tunnel?

thanx for the corection

such a huge bump though.......lol

hmmz, i wonder how they got rid of the bump in newer models, ill have to look it upzzz

[deon]

So after reading through the posts, what it comes down to (For everyday driving on PUBLIC roads) is

......
Handling for Noobs
Wet Weather Traction

which (especially in teh wet) dont have..

[quote=aarong] FWD usually is able to apply throttle only later compared to AWD and RWD. [quote]

..a slower exit speed ...thus would make you slower, why would you want that?

[Speeder]

[quote=deon]which (especially in teh wet) dont have..

[quote=aarong] FWD usually is able to apply throttle only later compared to AWD and RWD.

..a slower exit speed ...thus would make you slower, why would you want that?

Otherwise the car will simply understeer, the difference between RWD is that you can turn by steering and by applying/re-applying the gas, but with FF, its difficult to do so. That is why all top end race cars are RWD, they are simply faster.