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    Honda's new life without sports

    Honda is reshaping itself from the high-revving sports car brand of the 1990s to a more mundane bread-and-butter brand in an effort to become one of Australia's top four by 2010.
    In a move similar to that made by Toyota in the last decade, Honda has shed a number of under-selling models from its line-up and is chasing aggressive growth through its core models. Honda may also replicate Toyota's move with Lexus by bringing its own premium brand, Acura, to Australia, but not before 2011 at the earliest.
    "Our goal is to sell 80,000 vehicles in 2010," Honda Australia's managing director Toshio Iwamoto told drive.com.au at the launch of the third generation CR-V 4WD earlier this week.
    Honda's head office in Japan has set aggressive sales targets for the Australian subsidiary – 80,000 cars a year by 2010. Honda's sales have grown strongly from 30,817 in 2003 to 54,202 in 2006. Honda is currently Australia's fifth best-selling brand, and will likely cement fourth place behind Toyota, Holden and Ford if it achieves the ambitious 2010 target.
    "We can do this with our existing models, but we could achieve this easier if we can fill a few gaps in our range. We can't increase volume without the right products."
    "We definitely need a 5-door hatch in the small car segment. Look at the Toyota Corolla, the Mazda 3, the Nissan Tiida. Roughly speaking the hatchback makes up 50 per cent of sales. So we are not playing in 50 per cent of the small car market."
    The Honda Civic has been a sales success for Honda since it launched in 2006, consistently racking up 1000 sales a month. A hatch could, Toshio believes, add 12-15,000 sales to Honda's current total.
    But the Honda cupboard is bare. The only right-hand-drive five-door Civic hatchback is built at the Swindon plant in the United Kingdom, and exchange rates and tariffs would make it too expensive if imported to Australia.
    Toshio has not ruled out a British Civic hatch, but says "it would be a low volume option only. Perhaps we [can] bring in a limited number of the high performance, 3-dr Type R model. I do not know."



    Toshio is also considering building a more cost-competitive version of the Civic hatchback in Thailand to take advantage of Australia's free trade agreement. Thailand will have the capacity once the second production line is completed in 2008, but Honda is unlikely to green-light hatch production before Civic enters its next model life cycle in 2011/12.
    Honda Australia currently sources 75 per cent of its range from Thailand, namely the new CR-V compact 4WD, the Jazz light hatch, Civic small car and Accord medium sedan.


    MDX, NSX no future in Oz

    Honda Australia has stopped importing the MDX prestige four-wheel drive, and has no plans for a replacement, says Iwamoto.
    "We sold about 3000 [MDX] in four years which was good, but it is very hard to compete against the European brands like like BMW, Audi, Volkswagen and Volvo. We are trying to get a replacement for the MDX but it is very difficult. Japan does not take it, and we depend on Japan to help us build up an argument for right-hand drive."
    A new MDX will be built, but only in left hand drive and only for the American market under Honda's premium channel, Acura.
    Same for the all-new high-performance NSX replacement which Honda previewed in concept form at Detroit in January.
    Honda is determined to establish Acura as a global player, the brand entered the Japanese market last year, and so is keen to protect Acura's uniqueness by not allowing any of its cars to be rebadged or sold through Honda.
    For countries like Australia in which Acura does not have a presence, that means no MDX, no NSX replacement, no Accord coupe and no future Acuras – until Honda Australia hits 100,000 sales.
    "We would need to reach 100,000 sales in Australia before we could consider bringing Acura in," said Toshio, "because we would need this kind of volume to support the Acura brand which would be a low volume proposition."
    Iwamoto would like to do something sooner to give Honda back the performance reputation it established in the 1990s.
    "We really miss the sporty models, the sporty reputation we had," Iwamoto candidly revealed to drive.com.au.
    Honda built its reputation in the 1990s with a range of hot hatches (Civic VTi-R, Integra Type-R) and open-top sports cars (CRX, S2000) - and the revolutionary mid-engine NSX supercar that forced Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche and others to 'civilise' their own unruly supercars.
    We need some spice in our range," Toshio-san told drive.com.au at the launch of the Honda CR-V in Tasmania earlier this week. "But it looks like, for a couple of years, we have to survive on bread and butter models."
    http://drive.com.au/Editorial/Articl...eID=23096&vf=2

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    That is so sad.... I thought they would at least keep a variant with sports suspension and a hi-po engine like the Type R.

    If they want to sell over 100,000 cars, then they should do it the Toyota way. Do fleet sales...
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    y r they bring the Acura into japan>? dosent acura n honda makes teh same cars? :S
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    well they better change their advertising then, cos the cardigan wearing population that they are chasing wont give a feck about racing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m3ntAL_l2 View Post
    y r they bring the Acura into japan>? dosent acura n honda makes teh same cars? :S
    Acura used to use many Honda models. But that is not the case anymore. The only Hondas in the Acura line now are the RL (Legend) and TSX (Accord Euro). Although... Acura Canada does get the Thai-style Civic as their CSX.

    The MDX that we used to get was an Acura rebadged as a Honda.

    Acura even has a 2.3L turbocharged vtec engine in the RDX!
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    guys, lifes been great. its been great knowing you all. i'm jumping ship over to nissan! NOT! haha.

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    This is absolute Bulls*&t, if other car companies in australia can sell interesting cars then so can honda, they are selling so many cars now there is no reason why they cant spice up their line up with a few niche models. I

    Its bad enough they screw us over with the severe lack of options and upgrades on the cars available now.

    Honda needs to grow some balls and take a few risks if they want to grow, we already have enough dull car makers selling whitegoods on wheels.

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    man thats rediculous. having said that though, i suppose the honda market these days is more towards the family aspect rather than sports.

    civis/euros/accords/jazzs and also integras - sales are going through the roof

    and yet the s2000 and MDX are selling pretty weakly last time i heard

    its sad but unless they get a bigger market for sports orientated hondas there is not going to be much development.

    they are just going to continue doing what they do best and thats sell family orientated cars.


    i guess if we all went out and bought an s2000 then it may change something lol
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    yes but people buy cars because they aspire to owing the hero model of that range, if you dont have any hero cars your not going to draw the crowds.

    you sell the bread and butter cars to subsidies the NSX's and s2000's

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    thats also true. but having said that from the article i only gathered that the nsx wasnt going to be continued in australia but the new nsx will still be available in japan?
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    The new Civic hatch would do very well here imo, why cant they simply manufacturer them in Thailand instead of just Britain?
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