Pre-Tuned ECU swap over a standard

[ginganggooly]

so in conclusiopn (hahah) a chipped ECU IS very limited and may not adapt to your mods but you need to consider that your tuned ECU is only as good as your tuner.. and by the way HONDATA are basically just chipped ECU's anyway.. you cannot alter the parameters yourself without a full-retune etc. yes i am aware you can upgrade your Hondata to enable some live tunable features but to set that tune you still

Hondatas are still tuned in real time. It's just that you burn the chip when you're satisfied with the results... It's as far removed from best guess style chip tuning as you can get. Provided the tuner keeps the maps -and i know DynoDave does- the option to modify the map for new mods is always there. In fact, this is what has been going on in my own car for about 4 years now

I guess the situation is a little tough over in the west at the moment since there isn't much in the way of support... i guess you don't have alot of options. Aside from learning how to tune yourself anyway

[DynoDave]

Hondatas are still tuned in real time. It's just that you burn the chip when you're satisfied with the results... It's as far removed from best guess style chip tuning as you can get. Provided the tuner keeps the maps -and i know DynoDave does- the option to modify the map for new mods is always there. In fact, this is what has been going on in my own car for about 4 years now

I guess the situation is a little tough over in the west at the moment since there isn't much in the way of support... i guess you don't have alot of options. Aside from learning how to tune yourself anyway

S300 Hondata and a good wideband setup and he will be able to trim a good map himself to suit his setup,as there is no need to burn chips its just program on the run.
Regards Dyno Dave

[VT3C]

S300 Hondata and a good wideband setup and he will be able to trim a good map himself to suit his setup,as there is no need to burn chips its just program on the run.
Regards Dyno Dave

Interesting.. will have to look into this further.. and yeah i was aware of the process that the rom is tuned live then the program burnt onto the chip.. but that was my point that essentially it's a chipped ecu with the chip being tuned for your car.. so it is a good option i CAN see the advantages but the biggest disadvantage is that we have no tuner over here as I said.

am not dissing the capabilities of Hondata - dont get me wrong.. but we must be clear to those who are jsut looking at ECU options that perhaps the Hondata units are only good if you have access to a competent tuner etc.

but IF you have access to one of these tuners (like dyno dave etc) then yes you got a great option - can be tuned for track reliability and balance OR max HP whatever your purpose is.. jsut depends on the skills of the tuner. .bla bla bla..

will still keep the spoon ECU as i believe it still has a lot of potential but after i install cams i MAY reconsider my ECU option to something that is completely tunable if I am not happy with the result.

[ginganggooly]

How about a full standalone with local support?

[locote]

If some one is capable of tuning a number of car that run 10 11 12 sec passes even a car that runs a 9 sec pass im pretty sure they can tune B series hondas, with the ECU they specialise in am i not right???

[VT3C]

no you are not right.

that's like saying someone that tunes V8 supercars or lawnmowers can also tune a honda engine.

Locote you need to learn there is a lot more to engine management and tuning than fast 1/4 mile times and max HP figures !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

anyone can build one and "tune" it but if it blows up on the dyno or at the track etc.. then you have your answer.

[ginganggooly]

no you are not right.

that's like saying someone that tunes V8 supercars or lawnmowers can also tune a honda engine.

Locote you need to learn there is a lot more to engine management and tuning than fast 1/4 mile times and max HP figures !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

anyone can build one and "tune" it but if it blows up on the dyno or at the track etc.. then you have your answer.

Mate, given locote's experience with powerfc, and a turbo vtec, he's the last person to need a lecture from an Ozhonda member about what constitutes a good tune(r)

At the end of the day, my observation from having spent hours upon hours sitting in the passenger seat watching tuners tune a variety of cars and ecu's, they rely on the same principles from car to car, and ecu to ecu. The experience levels they have with certain combinations of ecu/mods/motor helps make the job a little quicker, but given time and patience, there is no reason why they can't work out what works with what they're given....
Tuning is tuning, if you take a good tuner with little or no experience on hondas, he'd be able to learn to tune a honda too.

[locote]

no you are not right.

that's like saying someone that tunes V8 supercars or lawnmowers can also tune a honda engine.

Locote you need to learn there is a lot more to engine management and tuning than fast 1/4 mile times and max HP figures !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

anyone can build one and "tune" it but if it blows up on the dyno or at the track etc.. then you have your answer.

So you spend 1000s of dollars to NOT get max HP from your car???
If a car doesnt have the power to accelerate quick going in a straight line how is it suppose to when u add bends and twists???

[locote]

no you are not right.

that's like saying someone that tunes V8 supercars or lawnmowers can also tune a honda engine.

Locote you need to learn there is a lot more to engine management and tuning than fast 1/4 mile times and max HP figures !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

anyone can build one and "tune" it but if it blows up on the dyno or at the track etc.. then you have your answer.

Even if this person has tuned a turbo rotor, GTRs, and a 600hp NA LS1.
But he wouldnt be able to tune a B16a...
Well you can add 2 turbo B18cs to that too since he tuned my setup too.
Took him 2 goes but i was happy with the TUNE no problems at all!!!!

[VT3C]

LOL Locote you dont get it. and you obviously will never get it. I dont know what you're trying to prove on here and every other honda-related forum in the universe but NOBODY CARES !

and ginggangghoolieghoolie you yavnt met locote in person.. and if you call 'experience' paying workshops to do all your work and all of this within a 12 month timeframe.. all based on whatever is the latest internet-trends etc well then Locote is truely experienced.. or is his name *brian* ??

if you encourage having mis-led individuals post technical advice on this forum then that's great but I just hope the newbys arent mislead by the good-ol' Fast'n'Furious attitude that we see in this thread and in many others.

*sigh*

[locote]

VT3C knows all..
BIG LOL..
Mate i know ppl who know u a lot better than me,,, and they dont have anything positive to say bout u...

Only workshop work ive ever had done was my turbo install and tune..
But hey some one like you tunes their own vehicle hey m i not correct???
Has his own mig welder and hoist at home so he never has to pay anyone for work...

Which are tools that i dont poses therefore i did the smart thing and let some one who knew what they were doin fit cut and weld.

me fast and furious who goes to japan and spends 1000s on 1 branded gear???

Why dont u drop into cypher to say hi?? they do alot of work on hondas in WA...
ohh hang on your not welcome there...

I know i dont know all, but at least i dont act like i do...

Please tell me what i dont get???

U telling Mike that he hasnt met me just shows ur ignorance towards knowledge

[Mikeyas]

Mate, given locote's experience with powerfc, and a turbo vtec, he's the last person to need a lecture from an Ozhonda member about what constitutes a good tune(r)

Mate, He has dropped a whole heap of money into a gsi for drags, then a whole heap of money on a civic, then on a b18c then on a turbo then to sell it weeks later to build the b18c.

The only experience here is handing over wads of cash.... If that amounts to tuning experience.... Then there should be more good tuners out there by your calculations.

You say he'd be able to learn to tune a honda too.

OK so X tuner has no experience in hondas and the program. HE has a starting advantage over joe average now and you are now going to pay him to learn on your car. The point is he doesnt know how to tune the car to its best setting/s.

And so he must learn... Learning takes time and in the tuners case, now time = money


if it was with his own money then go ahead, but whats the bet you are going to pay for his "learning time"