2000 mod ludes...

**LEWD** · 27-09-2003 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by wynode

Once the Type R is in its powerband it is quicker than the prelude because of its weight and powerband advantage.

once rolling, weight plays virtually no part

**wynode** · 27-09-2003 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by LEWD

Originally Posted by wynode

Once the Type R is in its powerband it is quicker than the prelude because of its weight and powerband advantage.

once rolling, weight plays virtually no part

How is that?

Quite simply, the more weight you have to carry, the slower you get if you have the same power.

**LEWD** · 27-09-2003 06:44 PM

yes but the fact that your car is already in motion at speed, the small weight difference becomes a negligible performance difference...

**wynode** · 27-09-2003 07:25 PM

But the Type R has

1. Weight advantage
2. Power(band) advantage

**LEWD** · 28-09-2003 01:43 AM

again, weight advantage is minimal...but what i dont understand is the powerband argument....the prelude has more peak power, and quite a bit more torque....although torque is also a minimal factor at speed, it still allows the car to push on when upshifting.....explain why the itr has a superior powerband...im intrigued....peak horsepower is achieved at a higher rev, which i dont think is a positive, and immediately after peak, power drops...while in a prelude the power is achieved sonner in the rev range and is less 'peaky'.

the only thing that makes an ITR good is its weight reduction and its effect on accelration and braking, and also the ability to pull slightly higher lateral gs than a vtir integra, other things like the increase in torsional rigidity is good...however as far as handling, and driving in the real world...i think they suck balls....when i bought my lude, i had an ITR for the weekend and I drove it down great ocean rd, the following weekend i took a lude down the same rd...i can honestly say that the lude did it quicker, felt much safer and was more enjoyable, however around phillip island, i have to admit the ITR was in a league of its own...but seriously though, how many people that own ITRs track their cars?

**CVK-A** · 09-12-2003 12:26 PM

hrmmmmmmmmm i dunno

i think that the lude has to much weight

truthfully on paper i thought that the lude would jump up infront of a type r
however the other day my mate in the type r ended up 2-3 car lengths infront

i luv the prelude
and would luv to own one....and prob would of by now although its slower performance(by 3 car lengths) as compared to the type r has put a large dint in the way that i look at the preludes

very confusing car

**AP1 F20c** · 09-12-2003 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by LEWD

again, weight advantage is minimal...but what i dont understand is the powerband argument....the prelude has more peak power.

What sorta "peak" are you talking about when it redlines at 7+RPMs? The H22a DOHC VTEC makes power in "VTEC" for about 2+RPMs only compared to the B series VTECs? The most powerful feature of the H22a is torque with low to mid power VS the B series DOHC VTECs. There is no high-end power or "peak" in short for the H22a that I could find/substatiate.

Originally Posted by LEWD

the only thing that makes an ITR good is its weight reduction and its effect on accelration and braking, and also the ability to pull slightly higher lateral gs than a vtir integra, other things like the increase in torsional rigidity is good...however as far as handling, and driving in the real world...i think they suck balls....when i bought my lude, i had an ITR for the weekend and I drove it down great ocean rd, the following weekend i took a lude down the same rd...i can honestly say that the lude did it quicker, felt much safer and was more enjoyable, however around phillip island, i have to admit the ITR was in a league of its own...but seriously though, how many people that own ITRs track their cars?

That's a very bias and ignorant comment to pass. To be fair, ever heard of a measurement called "Power To Weight Ratio?". Unfortunately, the DC2Rs/DC5Rs have a higher power to weight ratio when compared to a Prelude. A Type R is completely different from a VTi-R Integra to begin with. It isn't just the lighter weight, different engine, LSD that makes the difference, there's more to that to produce such an excellent FF machine.

Unfortunately I cannot see how you can substantiate a Type R being a "poorer" handler compared to your Prelude in a winding/twisting road except for the fact that because you only had the Type R for a few days, you couldn't really harness the difference/potential of the car, thus passing this judgement. In all honesty, if you want outright brutal Honda performance, the Type R offers alot of that for a minimal price tag compared to cars which can perform so well. But if you want a luxurious cruiser with comfort and smooth power delivery, the Prelude is ideal for the job. Comparing both in terms of outright performance including power delivery and handling, the Type R wins hands down. Ever wondered why there is no Prelude Type R if it was meant to be better than the Integra Type R?