1 Grand limit, what sussy should i get?

[Sp00ny]

u think just bc u drop the car u have camber for cornering?

camber kit is available bc honda have crap camber tops that dont have camber adjustment.

getting a good alignment on shocks and springs would be as good if not better then coils.

Alot of people pay to remove it due to abnormal tyre wear and the lazyness not to get tyres rotated regularly.

Then imagine good alignment on coils it just continues on...in general depending how well the springs are engineered the negative camber they give will improve cornering over the stock camber angles. eg. The spoon springs i suggested are designed to give a drop that provides negative camber which has been tested to improve handling.

I agree, a good wheel alignment can make the world of difference but camber adjustment kits (particularly for the front) for honda's seem to have some serious design/strength flaws...i personally would prefer to spend $400 more on suspension and then get a good wheel alignment later...your better of doing everything properly from the start if you're going to go into that much detail.

[hastE]

Alot of people pay to remove it due to abnormal tyre wear and the lazyness not to get tyres rotated regularly.

Then imagine good alignment on coils it just continues on...in general depending how well the springs are engineered the negative camber they give will improve cornering over the stock camber angles. eg. The spoon springs i suggested are designed to give a drop that provides negative camber which has been tested to improve handling.

I agree, a good wheel alignment can make the world of difference but camber adjustment kits (particularly for the front) for honda's seem to have some serious design/strength flaws...i personally would prefer to spend $400 more on suspension and then get a good wheel alignment later...your better of doing everything properly from the start if you're going to go into that much detail.

a $5000 suspension is nothing with a shit alignment.

ppl spend $400 to remove camber wear with less handling?

only ppl that i know would spend money to remove negative camber, are high powered rear wheel cars that drives like on ice.

want great handling? go more negative.

[Sp00ny]

a $5000 suspension is nothing with a shit alignment.

ppl spend $400 to remove camber wear with less handling?

only ppl that i know would spend money to remove negative camber, are high powered rear wheel cars that drives like on ice.

want great handling? go more negative.

I agree to an extent. My mate has 5zigen coilovers probebly 14/12 with a desperate need for alignment. Compared to an ITR with Shock/Spring with alignment there is no competition his still enters corners faster accelerates out of corners and is much much more responsive.

I honestly do know heaps of people who buy camber kits to remove negative camber or at the very least return it to stock. People don't want to spend money on tyres...they maybe noobs in your eyes...but if performance isnt your sole concern...then I suppose they don't see the point...

Anyway keep to PM as its flooding the Thread. Cheers.

[Gio]

Decided on KYB shorened shocks and eibach springs

[Type S Tony]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ACURA...mZ350136048659

Does anyone think these are worth it?

[Gio]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ACURA...mZ350136048659

Does anyone think these are worth it?

Yeah mate they are cheap for those springs.

One of the traders sells them here.

Check there prices for comparison.

[Type S Tony]

Yeah mate they are cheap for those springs.

One of the traders sells them here.

Check there prices for comparison.

Sweet as, Still deciding weather to go springs or coilovers, the car isnt going to see any track time so its just basically for street, Had springs only in my last car and it seemed to work sweet!

[string]

1 grand limit = Rear Swaybar + Best Tyres you can afford. Nothing else will come close.

[1900-hustler]

i can get good prices on eibach springs if anyone is interested

[Muzz]

Not with all shocks but you have to remember when you adjust the preload of a linear spring your also causing wear to the shock. By preloading a spring you increase its recoil or retraction force thus wearing the valves in the shocks much quicker.

In the interest of great suspension discussion, this is incorrect.
Preloading the spring simply means that when the unit is completly extended to full droop, the spring is still compressed whatever amount.

Once the cars weight has been lowered onto the unit, the spring is compressed by the cars weight, just as before.

So the cars weight is now compressing the spring, lets say 10mm.
If you preload the spring say 5mm, then when you put the cars weight on the unit, the spring will only go down another 5mm, to make 10mm of spring compression from the cars weight.

The weight of the car dosnt change.
The spring rate dosnt change.
Therefore the spring will compress the same amount as before, 10mm, laws of physics.
The force on the shocks dont change, springs still exerting the same force.

Since you preloaded the spring 5mm, what will change is how far the unit compresses with the cars weight placed on it. Now 5mm, instead of 10mm.
So preloading the spring 5mm will reduce your droop travel by 5mm, and increase your travel by 5mm.

[Muzz]

A suspension specialist from KYB said to me specificially in an email to NOT USE the ground control type kits.

He is a complete and utter doofus then, unless he's refering to the fact that there are tons of crappy made, dangerous adjustable sleeves on the market, or he thought it might help make the buisness a sale.

Properly made kits (ground control for example), are perfectly safe, and have ZERO negative effects on handling.

Or in more basic terms, lowering the perch of a shock by whatever means, will not change the way it performs AT ALL, apart from making the unit shorter, increasing droop travel, and decreasing the travel, just like a coilover unit (with adjustable spring perch).

Its the EXACT same effect as using a shorter spring, of the same stiffness, in your non adjustable shocks. lowers your height, increases your droop decreases your travel.

[Muzz]

<e240 Edit: no need lah - keep it civil>

The Ground Control kit is brilliant. I can adjust the height every day, and swap out springs at my leisure. My Koni's are a stiff as the day I installed them and I've absolutely no doubt as stiff as they day they are sold. I would recommend Koni/GC to anyone who is serious about getting into the depths of FWD handling (and it gets very deep).

Agree 100&#37;, Absolutly brilliant setup the gc/eibach/koni combo, like so many others its what im running.
Not overpriced at all (way cheaper than Coilovers of any sort), absolutly superb performance (better than most entry level coilover units), and a service life of years and years, 5-10 years isnt uncommon with these shocks (very much unlike most entry level coilovers), good support here in australia for shock rebuilds/re-valving (unlike 90% of entry level coilover manifactuers, most cant even be serviced/rebuilt lol), etc and you can choose any spring rates you want.

Back when the AU$ was going good (actualy thinking back it was still down around $0.75Us, or so) i got my G/c, koni eibach combo for like $1150 or somthing. $700 or so for the shocks, $450 for my eibach G/C setup (450lb/in-f 400lb/in-r). Theres a trader on honda-tech who sells each shock for $125 us each iirc.
The guys name can be found in my diy write-up somwhere i believe - http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...highlight=koni

For the cost, i honestly believe there in no better combo out there AT ALL!