Basic B20 build questions

[Benson]

Whats the point of a dyno sheet? it all relative numbers... The dyno is a tuning tool and dyno number to us means nothing. But if your really curious, ill get a dyno sheet just for you

Is doesnt mean if you can get a product for cheap it means it crap quality? or poor performance? I think most kids on ozhonda think that branded items are the best, but quite frankly there are heaps of product that arnt so well known are cheaper in price and on the same performance level.

I think you need to get out of the frame of mine that paying alot of money for a product is going to be always the best.

[delsol9000rpms]

Whats the point of a dyno sheet? it all relative numbers... The dyno is a tuning tool and dyno number to us means nothing. But if your really curious, ill get a dyno sheet just for you

Is doesnt mean if you can get a product for cheap it means it crap quality? or poor performance? I think most kids on ozhonda think that branded items are the best, but quite frankly there are heaps of product that arnt so well known are cheaper in price and on the same performance level.

I think you need to get out of the frame of mine that paying alot of money for a product is going to be always the best.

every single part ive got in my car is quality while still maintaining a budget.... just because big names might have been used doesnt mean ive thrown enormous amounts of money in my car... im still on a budget and i always have been so dnt try and refer to me as spending heaps of money on brand names.... if your refering to the rs machine pistons as at the 'same performance level' as say any well named forged piston... well ye they might make decent power... but ummm its not always about how much power it will make dnt forget quality of the part and longeveity of the product... im not saying theyre shit.. coz theyre not...and for someone on a 'budget' they wil be an exceptional choice... but they have their place and should not be compared with 'big' names as yout refer to... 'big names' are where they are at today because of theyre quality products

[ZeForce]

Whats the point of a dyno sheet? it all relative numbers... The dyno is a tuning tool and dyno number to us means nothing. But if your really curious, ill get a dyno sheet just for you

Is doesnt mean if you can get a product for cheap it means it crap quality? or poor performance? I think most kids on ozhonda think that branded items are the best, but quite frankly there are heaps of product that arnt so well known are cheaper in price and on the same performance level.

I think you need to get out of the frame of mine that paying alot of money for a product is going to be always the best.

I have to agree with Benson on a few of the points he made

delsol9000rpms you're obviously a toda fanboy and no point trying to convince you otherwise.... go ahead and spend twice as much on brand named parts to achieve the same end result

[delsol9000rpms]

I have to agree with Benson on a few of the points he made

delsol9000rpms you're obviously a toda fanboy and no point trying to convince you otherwise.... go ahead and spend twice as much on brand named parts to achieve the same end result

toda fanboy hah!... where hav i mentioned toda?? it seams rather that a few people on here despise toda? seem to go against anything and everything got to do with toda.. always comparing other products and prices... same end result? with double the price? ok mate whatever you say... where has prices been mentioned in this thread i dnt understand what would make some people think that brand names are automatically double the price... im sure some people would be surprised if they actually stop window shopping (Y)

[Benson]

We are not dissing Toda Products, as you got to remember these are a Japanese Brand. They are good for what they are, but i cant justify with the price tag with some of the product espeically with the Yen currency at the moment. For example no-one is going to spend 1.8-2k for Toda headers when they can get a set of Custom SSR or something for around that price.

Dont get me wrong, i myself have some Toda Cams and have use them and have seen some good result with them in different motors. These motor dont rock all Toda Products, they are a combo of other brand and products put together by people who have done there research to know what works and what doesnt.

We all know you are a Toda fanboy (look at your sig), and there is nothing wrong with that. But in the context of this thread, a basic B20 build may consist of an OEM rebuild or a rebuild with upgraded cast pistons like the RS machine. Yes forged pistons are strong, but do you really need something that extreme for a basic B20 build? If it going to be track a couples of times a year and street driven cast pistons are the way to go.
Tinkerbell might want to chip in, he has been running stock cast pistons for a couple of years now and has seen the track a number of times.

[delsol9000rpms]

ohk if your gonna refer to signatures... look at your signature "dave at insight motorspport" lmaooooo looks whos talking you act like your in love with the guy

adrian and some others have done me well and im happy with their work and i would like to refer them to others..

[tinkerbell]

Adrian from Toda tunes my car (and probably always will), he knows that my OEM B20 is strong - but we also know it will never make more than 125 atw unless i ditch the OEM pistons...

it is all a matter of budget.

RS Machines cast pistons on stock rods take you past the OEM B20B inhibitor (low CR), but fully forged 12.x:1 pistons would probably take you much further... but what else would you need to match to the forgies? lots more than you would need if using the RS cast pistons...

an engines performance is not determined by a single part, but a combination of them...

so, IMO - you are both wasting bandwidth talking about two different things (but at least benson has tried to keep it on topic)...

[delsol9000rpms]

lets stick to topic

[Benson]

Adrian from Toda tunes my car (and probably always will), he knows that my OEM B20 is strong - but we also know it will never make more than 125 atw unless i ditch the OEM pistons...

it is all a matter of budget.

RS Machines cast pistons on stock rods take you past the OEM B20B inhibitor (low CR), but fully forged 12.x:1 pistons would probably take you much further... but what else would you need to match to the forgies? lots more than you would need if using the RS cast pistons...

an engines performance is not determined by a single part, but a combination of them...

so, IMO - you are both wasting bandwidth talking about two different things (but at least benson has tried to keep it on topic)...

125kw? Are you sure?

The last B20 with a proper OEM rebuilt bottom end made 135kw. Thats running ITR cams and a Vti-R head. Im pretty sure it squeeze 140kw with a good set of headers and other bolt-ons. Replenishsoul might want to add to this.

[delsol9000rpms]

you just finshed saying to mee dynos are only a tuning tool... clearly the dyno you go on reads different to the dyno at any other shop including toda

[tinkerbell]

you just finshed saying to mee dynos are only a tuning tool... clearly the dyno you go on reads different to the dyno at any other shop including toda

lol,igfugingzactly...

benson - i give no fark for dyno racing, i determine my "power" by what the Power FC says is VMAX...

[Benson]

Do you guys want to speak in terms of 1/4 mile then?

Stock bottom end with ITR head ran a 13.4@103mph in an ITR chasis. Thats the potential of a stock rebuilt b20 bottom end