Peachy says HI HI, some n00b questions

[Peachy]

Just called Vic roads and spoke with someone who told me that following is illegal for Green P platers:
- Pod Filter
- Intake
- Exhaust
They really do mean quite literally, anything that enhances engine performance.....

According to a conversation with a Vicroads employee, any engine conversion is illegal unless the engine you are putting in came as an 'option.' What does that mean vicroads??? Does that mean that putting in a D16a8 would be 'ok' as they came in the EG Civics. But is that an 'option?'
Vic Roads was very ambiguous even on the phone.

Spoke to Archie who does the engineer certificates, and he said that swapping over engines is fine, just as long as the engine isn't older, and just as long as its within the power to weight ratio for a P -plater.

Wow what a mix up of information... But things got even clearer.

I called back vicroads and was given the Power to weight ratio formula which is:

Power (KW) / Weight x 100

For a p plater, it must not be over 100kw. The current vicroads website has a different formula, the one above is the new one to use.

Conclusion for me:
If I want to do an engine swap, I can do one without having to get an engineers certificate only if I find an engine replacement identical to the engine I have in my car. Link from Vicroads:

"1. Replacement engine is identical to the original engine, or is an option allowed by the manufacturer for the same model vehicle
The optional engine must be offered in Australia by the vehicle manufacturer as an option for that vehicle (or certified variants). The change of engine may be recorded by VicRoads provided that the registered operator or a motor mechanic, or dealer in that make of vehicle or an Automotive Engineer signs a declaration certifying the engine is optional for the vehicle model, and that all modifications made by the manufacturer for the same vehicle model with that optional engine have been completed."

However, if I want to get a higher capacity engine of a different model, the engine must not be older than the build of the chassis. AND, the power to weight ratio using the above formula, must not exceed 100killerwasps. AND, I will also require a VASS engineers certificate, which quote from Archie Robertson is $680.
Below from vicroads as well:

"2. Replacement engine is not of a type offered by the vehicle manufacturer as an option for that vehicle or where alterations, or changes to the vehicle's frame or structure are made, and/or specially fabricated supports or structures are used
You will need to attend a VicRoads Customer Service Centre for an inspection of the vehicle to confirm the new engine details. You will also need to complete a Change of Vehicle Description form [PDF 24kb] and provide VicRoads with:

a VASS Approval Certificate from a VicRoads Vehicle Assessment Signatory
an original receipt for the purchase of the engine as proof of ownership of the engine"

Questiarinos:
1. Weight of a Honda Civic EG BReeze 1992? Or just approx weight of a EG hatchback?
2. In the second quote above from vicraods it states "Replacement engine is not of a type offered by the vehicle manufacturer as an option for that vehicle or where alterations, or changes to the vehicle's frame or structure are made, and/or specially fabricated supports or structures are used" - Is this required when doing an engine transplant for a b16a?

Archie Robertson 9729 9776

[lithium]

good post the weight of an EG breeze is around 950kg

i think the b16a was not offered as a factory option in any EGs sold locally in Australia, so i imagine you will need an engineers cert to put one in. on the other hand according to the info you've given, you can put in a D16 as it was sold here as a Civic Si (but don't go this path as you can just buy a Civic Si for a fraction of the cost of replacing an engine!)

[.:Thrasher:.]

good post the weight of an EG breeze is around 950kg

i think the b16a was not offered as a factory option in any EGs sold locally in Australia, so i imagine you will need an engineers cert to put one in. on the other hand according to the info you've given, you can put in a D16 as it was sold here as a Civic Si (but don't go this path as you can just buy a Civic Si for a fraction of the cost of replacing an engine!)

from what ive heard, eg hatch weights around 800 kg. i could be wrong though.

[WATAJK]

Problem is that the new P Plates laws are so fricken gay..
Well refering to any1 who got there license bak in 08 onwards..
No engine mods...
SIGH.
Been hearing u can have a CAI and cat back only though
Got a catbak :P
xD

[mocchi]

a guy i know replaced his sohc vti (ej8) to a b16 without an eng. cert.
he went to vicroads and just submit a form to replace engine number and done.

how does that work?

[mocchi]

from what ive heard, eg hatch weights around 800 kg. i could be wrong though.

stock? youre wrong.

[lithium]

a guy i know replaced his sohc vti (ej8) to a b16 without an eng. cert.
he went to vicroads and just submit a form to replace engine number and done.

how does that work?

hmm i can't say for sure as i'm in NSW and deal with the RTA. but i suspect that you can fill in a form and vicroads will just change the records on your rego.

this doesn't mean that it's legal though! if you're pulled over and a cop suspects the engine isn't a legal engine swap, and you don't have an engineers certificate, he'll defect you and then off to the pits you go, where they'll look a lot more closely.

[.:Thrasher:.]

stock? youre wrong.

from what ive been told the registration is in accurate when mentioning the weight of the eg's. im not saying this is so, im just saying this is what i have heard because yes i do find it hard for them to be 800kg.

and yes completely stock standard.

[mocchi]

from what ive been told the registration is in accurate when mentioning the weight of the eg's. im not saying this is so, im just saying this is what i have heard because yes i do find it hard for them to be 800kg.

and yes completely stock standard.

yeah youve heard wrong, dont tell anyone.
check out yonas's car gutted, still 845 i think or somewhere around there no driver.

and lithium, yeah different regulations every state im sure of it. just dont understand the conflicting infos thats all.

[V73C]

Probably one of the best typed up threads for a noob thread. easy to read.

[Red_EG4]

a guy i know replaced his sohc vti (ej8) to a b16 without an eng. cert.
he went to vicroads and just submit a form to replace engine number and done.

how does that work?

was he on P plates?
If you're off P plates it comes down to displacement IIRC.

Just called Vic roads and spoke with someone who told me that following is illegal for Green P platers:
Questiarinos:
1. Weight of a Honda Civic EG BReeze 1992? Or just approx weight of a EG hatchback?
2. In the second quote above from vicraods it states "Replacement engine is not of a type offered by the vehicle manufacturer as an option for that vehicle or where alterations, or changes to the vehicle's frame or structure are made, and/or specially fabricated supports or structures are used" - Is this required when doing an engine transplant for a b16a?

Archie Robertson 9729 9776

Great to see someone actually call up instead of just going on here say.
Well as usual the laws sound very ridiculous in my opinion.

Doesn't your rego label give you a figure for the weight?
Putting a B16A in doesn't require any structural customisation. Uses standard engine mounting points.

When did you get your P's Ben?

[mocchi]

was he on P plates?
If you're off P plates it comes down to displacement IIRC.

Great to see someone actually call up instead of just going on here say.
Well as usual the laws sound very ridiculous in my opinion.

Doesn't your rego label give you a figure for the weight?
Putting a B16A in doesn't require any structural customisation. Uses standard engine mounting points.

When did you get your P's Ben?

cant remember if he was on his p or full actually lol. i should ask.

his breeze weight is 1 ton. exactly 1 ton from honda civic 1992-1995 specs hatch.

even though b16 doesnt require aftermarket mounts, it's not listed in the brochure so i would assume that what it means by "replacement engine".

and on oct '93, the breeze is equipped with the d15 engine. i think d15z2 (67kw), got d15 breeze carby engine (the wreck too) in my backyard.

im sure this is a replacement engine. well, 99% sure.