trading my 180sx for an integra advise pls

[mattpj]

Hi All,
Im a newbie to Hondas . My current ride is a 92 180SX which I have had for 5 years.
Im looking at getting something that is cheaper to run and insure so I was thinking about an integra.
I dont know alot about these cars but Im guessing the gsi is just you run of the mill 1.8 and the vti-r is the vtec version.
What difference is the type R ?
Also from reading the other forums I have seen that some vtec motors are only SOHC is the integra DOCH vtec ?
Im looking at getting between a 95- 98 , dont want to spend any more than 20Gs .
Or is it better to get a VTI civic
What is the reliability like with these engines , as I will most likely get something that has anywhere from 40-80K on the clock , is there anything special to look out for ?
Its going to be hard getting used to a non turbo front wheel drive car but as I said before , the 180 does cost alot to run and insure

Sorry for the long post

Cheers

Matt

[tofu R]

hey there matt ...

first of all civic or integra? the VTi that you mentioned only comes in sedan form .. and has a SOHC engine with no more power than the GLi engine but a few more nm of torque. I think if u want performance .. u should steer clear of the SOHC variants in the honda range .. as the true performance of honda is from a DOHC vtec engine.

Having said that . a few engines have that the B16A and the B18C ..
The b16a comes in a few honda vehicles .. crx,the first integras, and civic .. but in the case for this engine u should be looking for a B16A2.. which is the latest and greatest in the evolution of this engine .. which comes in the later civic VTiR hatchbacks and coupes.. im not too sure about pricing .. but i think that the coupe will be selling for a little more than 20Gs .. which is not worth IMO
hatch looks sexier =p

i think ... stepping over from a 92 model 180sx.. 1.8L - 2L turbo ( not sure if u got the ca18 or a sr20) ... the most power that u can get for your money .. is in the form of a B18C ( barr the k20a dc5 type R, k24a, c30b blah blah blah ) which is definitely out of your price range..

the difference between an itr and a vtir ?
apart from the styling differences
- front + rear lip
- different front bar
- higher spoiler
- shaved door protectors
- the addition of type R decals

the engine differences between an itr and a vtir ..

the b18c7 (type R) red valve cover variant of the b18c ..
- factory balanced and blueprinted engine from honda.. raised rev limit of 200rpm .. from 8200 - 8400
- hand polished intake
- twin coil valve springs for higher lift
- lightweight intake valves.
- whole lot of engine strengthening ( ie high strength conrods)
- higher comp ratio than vtir .
- a factory cai setup ..
- higher flow exhaust..

more on the topic ..
u can sort of note that the itr was made to be more efficient at high revs.. not just make more power .. it was designed to be tracked .. and hence u can see that a lot of vtirs can keep up with type Rs on the straights ..
but on the track.. the ITR's handling + overall packages is hard to beat..

- its got bars all over the place.. making the car much more rigid ..
- bigger brakes - 5 stud conversion ..
- Aluminum oil cooler
- LSD

there are also some "luxuries" that each car has that the other car does not have..
vtir - cd player ..
- sunroof
- sound deadening + or - depending on your view..

type R - recaros
- light weight enkeis
- the sound of a b18c7 revving to 8.4k
- carbon fibre door inserts and interior trimming.

so depending on what u want .. if u want to drag / the occasional run on the corners..get the vtir .. cheaper option..

or u like to hang in the corners a lot more .. get the type R .. its very cheap for what u r getting.. even fitting an aftermarket lsd to the vtir .. will probably cost as much as an ITR

hope this helps .. =P

eric

[A'PEXi]

as tofu said... the civic vti also came out in coupe form if you were interested... but the single overhead cam engine with vtec produces factory claimed bout 96kw at the fly??...

i think the vti-r teg would be your best buy, considering its b18c engine and the price range will be bout 15-20k... the type r variant is obviously better but will be closer to the 30k region for the dc2 version.... if your going to spend money in modding the vti-r, i'd say save up a bit more and get a dc2r, will be worth it in the long run

[mattpj]

Thanks for the info guys, its a great help.
Yes My 180sx is an SR20det with T28 Large front mount IC , It is running 14PSI
I think I would be pretty happy with a teg vtir as I dont really plan on too many mods .

Cheers,

Matt

[mo]

I'm pretty sure tofu R has summed it up nicely (hahah didn't read it) but with $20k will get you a nice teg vti-r easily!
95 vti-r are like 15-16k private sale, so you could easily get a more recent model

[mattpj]

Yeah it all depends on what I can get for my 180sx.
Im hoping for $14K private sale , would be less for a trade-in

The trouble is trying to find a decent teg, with low Ks

[guard-rail]

another one bites the dust...sad to see another person giving up the glories of an s13 for a teg...you're gonna hate the lack of power at first, but takes a little while to get used to it i guess...i havent been able to step down off the turbo to an NA...hope you'll like it though...wanna swap you t28 with me since you aint gonna get anymore for it if you have it or not

[guard-rail]

anything else master eric?

[ginganggooly]

integras aren't too good where insurance is concerned.
as charming as the b18c is, it doesn't provide anywhere near the grunt of the sr20det

just something to keep in mind.

[JAP88R]

tofu r : hehe i can beat stockers s13s =P
no problems ..

bends are where the honda was born to be ..

[ginganggooly]

s13's can be equaly at home in bends... plus the steering feels so much nicer

[JAP88R]

s13's can be equaly at home in bends... plus the steering feels so much nicer

that comes down to the driver.. as to how cofident they are etcetc..

but im on Eric's side on this one... Type R's were built for a reason... sweet sweet handling..